Regarding if Jesus is God

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After alot of reconciliation and comparing scriptures with scriptures, it seems that Jesus is God in the sense of an ambassador or mighty one, as this is one of the supported definitions of “theos” in the Greek lexicon. So He is like a General or Commander, but that He too has a General or Commander over Him, which is the Father, and that they are not one and the same but that the Father has the true title. Several verses demonstrate this, such as comparing Hebrews 1:8-9 to Rev 1:5-6 which says on one hand that the Son is God, but when compared to the Father, only He is God. More on this at the end of this section. Jesus is the representation of the Father, and the expressed image of the Father, as the verses below will show. Also be aware that Moses spoke in 1st person perspective as God, when he gave the 10 commandments, just read Exodus 19:25 seamlessly through to 20:3 and you will see this. Deut 5:4-6 proves it.
 
No one has seen God, people saw Jesus
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

God has a son, Jesus is the Son that God has. Jesus isn’t his own son
1John 4:9-10 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1Cor 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Th 1:9-10 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come
 
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On a Catholic Forum, of course the answer is YES. Same on a Protestant or Orthodox Forum. On a Jewish or Muslim Forum, you will get very different opinions concerning this. As to JW’s, Quakers, and Mormons, I don’t know anymore.
 
God GAVE Jesus things and MADE Jesus things. God is neither given things or made things. He has all things
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God

1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God , the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus has a God, and it shows that Jesus is not the same person as God. Also, our ‘Lord Jesus Christ’ has a God. If ‘Lord’ Jesus means ‘God Jesus’ then the God Jesus has a God?
2Cor 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

2Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you

1Pet 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

2John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father , and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father , in truth and love.

Rev 3:12 (Jesus is speaking) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

God is OUR Father. And God who is OUR Father, is someone distinct from Jesus our Lord
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father , and from our Lord Jesus Christ
 
I think I’ve provided enough evidence to win this argument as no can refute my evidence. Good day to you all
 
I’ll leave it to the Catholics and other Christians to rebut.

Do you mind my asking what (Christian) religion you practice which believes Jesus is only the Son of Gd and not Gd Himself?
 
Interesting, and certainly not in the mainstream of Catholicism.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
im a catholic. Jesus is god! but he’s not the all powerful father
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I highly suggest you take advantage of some of the materials available on this website concerning Christ, because the position you’re taking is not the Catholic one.

www.catholic.com

Jesus Knew He Was God, and Said So

If you're looking for a Scripture passage where Jesus says, "Hey, everyone, I'm God!" you're not going to find it. But you will find something else . . .
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IM not saying Jesus is not God. HE IS GOD. HE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FATHER!!! This is trinitarian belief??
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
IM not saying Jesus is not God. HE IS GOD. HE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FATHER!!! This is trinitarian belief??
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Yes, and that’s fine. But the supremacy of the Father over the Son is the issue here. If you read the link I posted here, it addresses what I think is your point about the superiority of the Father of the Son.
 
People don’t understand what you are saying. In you very first post on this thread, you stated clearly “Jesus is not God…”
Now you say he is. Difficult to understand
 
Sums it up for me:

John 1 King James Version (KJV)​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
You’re right I apologize. I meant to say Jesus is not the father in my first post my apologies.
 
right he was with the father (god) and he is god but he is not the father
 
Are you Catholic? I thought in another thread, you said you aren’t.
 
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