Religion of peace?? Please explain.

[R_not]

Yeah, I’m not particularly worried about all that ‘‘proof’’, my own ethnic group was in much the same boat that the Muslims in the West find themselves in now, feared, loathed, suspected of all being terrorists.

Yesterday it was the my lot, today its theirs, twenty years from now it’ll be someone else.

Here is the difference - your, and my, ethnic group did not come here to dominate the populaton that was already here and intimidate and threaten them if they did not. That is what islam is all about. I would suggest reading what Geert Wilders spoke, if you do nothing else. He addresses the problem that is in Europe now.

You can do as you will - that is the freedom that our western nations allow. And by not reading you leave it to them to define the world. And I write that because they are in your homeland, and Europe, doing the same thing.

 

[R_not]

Dhirka Dhirka Dhirkastan , Jihad Jihad ,Muhammed Ali, sherpa sherpa bla they hate our freedom bla bla we are good they are bad bla bla bla , sand sand camel camel bla bla bla. goats and more goats bla bla bla . America alone bla bla

Theya re all against you

oh i almost forgot the best part,!!

( weird eastern music playing in the background)

The way to deflect the truth is to make fun. I don’t care. It is the truth and the facts speak for themselves.

answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
a quote from the above website:
The common muslim belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:
1st, to save one’s life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.

While other religions say to its adherents to tell the truth - mohammed said, ‘war is deception’. And while muslims reside in dar al harb (the realm of war which is all lands not under sharia law) they are obliged to do jihad and one aspect of that is… deception.

The Muslim activists are now (especially after 9/11) adopting:
1- change of identity
They never mention the Islamic code of punishment (Sharia).
They stress that they believe in Moses and Jesus. No longer call Jews “Zionists”, or Christians “Crusaders”
They use name like Paul John. Names like Mohammad and Mustafa were too strong to swallow, they thought.
They use the term “Sunday School” in place of “Friday Class”.
They end their speeches with the Christian expression “may God bless you”.
The American flag cover the background of their TV program set., wile in their daily ritual in Iran and elsewhere burn the flag and call America “The great Satan”.

al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html

While our religion has the 10 commandments, or even Christ’s command to love God, and love they neighbor as yourself - mohammed not only sanctioned, but commanded, that muslims carry on jihad. With the most violent as being the most holy of the jihads.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Here is the difference - your, and my, ethnic group did not come here to dominate the populaton that was already here and intimidate and threaten them if they did not. That is what islam is all about

First. Mate unless you lived in the North (of Ireland) or in Britain during the Troubles and the aftermath, then you cannot possibly grasp what it was like to be in that group.

Second. The similarity is that both groups were tarred as vicious, backward, zealous religious fundamentalists who only wanted one thing, to spill the blood of their enemies. Their enemies were/are major players in international media so the story portrayed was fairly one sided.

 

[R_not]

The one thing we must remember is that if they are successful in brainwashing our youth - they are already in our higher education institutions, and have successfully gotten some schools to change their history books to tell fairy tales about islam - this is our next generations.

The MSA (muslim student association with direct ties to the muslim brotherhood and supported by saudi wahabbis) is doing a good job of brainwashing already.

Our children, and our children’s children, will be condemned to islam. And they won’t know what you know. It is what has happened in every other country they migrate to.

All I got to say is… read. Read the current history of what they do in Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia, lebanon, Eastern Europe, etc.

jihadwatch.org is a good site for recent news. faithfreedom.com, and frontpagemag.com are also some others

 

[R_not]

First. Mate unless you lived in the North (of Ireland) or in Britain during the Troubles and the aftermath, then you cannot possibly grasp what it was like to be in that group.

Second. The similarity is that both groups were tarred as vicious, backward, zealous religious fundamentalists who only wanted one thing, to spill the blood of their enemies. Their enemies were/are major players in international media so the story portrayed was fairly one sided.

Second. Mate there is a little comparison with what you went through (my relatives were from the South of Ireland).

What is going on in Africa and basically all those places I have already mentioned is growing, not ceasing.

Read. You will have worse problems, mate, than what went on in Northern Ireland.

 

[LDNCatholic]

All I got to say is… read. Read the current history of what they do in Europe,

I’m there mate, I can see with my eyes.

Also ‘‘jihadwatch’’ smacks of racial bigotry

 

[LDNCatholic]

Second. Mate there is a little comparison with what you went through (my relatives were from the South of Ireland).

Hey mine too! Co. Cork. However when my mother came to Britain 35 years back to escape a life of crippling poverty, the signs were still up.

‘‘Flat for Rent. No blacks no pets no Irish’’

I don’t think California would have been a similar experience.

 

[swariffin]

hi

Probably , the truth behind this **** is that the girls ran away from their parents and wanted to marry muslims. the authorieties, wants to fend off a stand off in the country took the girsl back to their parents against their will.

So, the 6 churches were destroyed based on the reason of PROBABLY? Why the 6 churches did not have the chance of hearing? So, being PROBABLY or MAYBE is enough for persecution??? What kind of logic is it. (My question is not directed to Meedo, anyway)

It is very common that Christians would cry persexcution when things doesnt go their way. Yers it happens in Egypt as well. It happens that Christian girls fall in love with a muslim man every once in a while. They run away with the guys they love and the christians in teh country cry persecution and blackmail the government to get back their daughters or else they will escalate the issue internationally as if it is persecution.

How can the Church BLACKMAIL the Government of an ISLAMIC MAJORITY COUNTRY? Either your conclusion is completely wrong or you are accusing your fellow muslims there as stupid and coward.

Thr ugly truth is that they want the girls back against the girls will . These girls alot of the time are sent to remote places as a punishment and are forced to marry others they dopnt like against their will to make sure that they remain christians.

In your first paragraph above, you mentioned PROBABLY. In this paragraph you mentioned TRUTH. It shows that either you believe that being PROBABLE equals to TRUTH, or you are just contradicting yourself, even in the same posting. You see, it is so easy for you justify TRUTH, without further judgement of clarification.

a very famous case of that in Egypt was the case of waffaa kostantin in Egypt who were forced ( theough she converted to Islam ) to be given back to the orthodox church and currently she is serving her punishment ina remote monastry in Egypt desert.

You are welcome to cut the news and paste it in this forum

There is no persecution , but Christians love to be påortrayed as martyrs , It is their way to cover the faliure of their faith to make sense and hold its own adherents.

Good luck with god dying to remove sins, sins that he can willingly forgive without dying . oh sorry , i forgot that he resurected himself just couple of days after he died. he sacrificed himself for three days and afterwards thought it was boring in the so he resurected himself.

Yes, you are correct. There can NEVER, EVER BE A PERSECUTION IF the victim if NON-MUSLIM.

Ther only thing that keeps Christians Christians in these times is that the Christian world is technologically advanced and has money and is a great producrer of sex, drugs and rock n roll.

If you hate the product of the west, then stop using computers, the internets, Cars, and Aeroplanes. Only God and yourself knows what kind of things you downloaded. You are welcome to use camels, though. It will be great because you will stop polluting, and you will have the opportunity to accuse the west of polluting you.

Orther than that , Christianity wouldnt even stand to Buddism in a common sense challenge let alone Islam.

With your kind of logic, why should I challenge you. No need to challenge Muslims with your level of logic. I even wonder, are you really a Muslim? Because your logic shows that you are not? My Muslim friends whom I trust very much, argue about Islam with me in far more objective, logical reasoning and peaceful ways compared to you.

and you wonder why girls run!

Why should us? she has the freedom to convert to Islam without being threatened. There is no reason nor logic for us to determine what she can or cannot do. If she has reached the adulthood, she has her own destiny and be responsible for whatever she does.

good luck

Yes, Good Luck to you too.

 

[inJESUS]

But to stupidly suggest that Muslims believe that they need to ''force ‘’ christian girls to convert to islam for the reason of advancing islam is a load of c.r.a.p .

to my as well it does not make sense Meedo…to these people, to Muslim Brotherhood and their likes, it does not matter if you are coerced or not…you own something they deed haram, they burn it, as simple as this and when we see these deeds, we cannot love them, its not our hatred that caused them but the hatred of “committed” Muslims.

no culture of hate and paranoia develops like that unless it feels theatened and insecure .

 

[Ed_Rand]

And here’s what the “peaceful” Quran has in store for us!


Vickie

If you are a person of the Book–Jew, Christian, or Muslim–and you believe in the Last Day and strive for righteousness, you cannot be considered an unbeliever. The Qur’an divides people of the Book into believers and unbelievers. Your actions will show where you stand. Unbelievers are those who claim to be of the Book but disregard the teachings.

 

[inJESUS]

If you are a person of the Book–Jew, Christian, or Muslim–and you believe in the Last Day and strive for righteousness, you cannot be considered an unbeliever. The Qur’an divides people of the Book into believers and unbelievers. Your actions will show where you stand. Unbelievers are those who claim to be of the Book but disregard the teachings.

according to the Quran, we are unbelievers going to hell. The problem with Muhammad is that he called all Christians as Nasara…this is a historical inaccuracy that is why some verses in the Quran give the impression that Christians are ok, and other verses say we are unbelievers going to hell…muhammad lumped all orthodox Christians and heretics undr one name, which was not the case…we are not Nasara, we are the Masihiyyeen.

 

[GemmaRose]

hi

Probably , the truth behind this **** is that the girls ran away from their parents and wanted to marry muslims. the authorieties, wants to fend off a stand off in the country took the girsl back to their parents against their will.

It is very common that Christians would cry persexcution when things doesnt go their way. Yers it happens in Egypt as well. It happens that Christian girls fall in love with a muslim man every once in a while. They run away with the guys they love and the christians in teh country cry persecution and blackmail the government to get back their daughters or else they will escalate the issue internationally as if it is persecution.

Thr ugly truth is that they want the girls back against the girls will . These girls alot of the time are sent to remote places as a punishment and are forced to marry others they dopnt like against their will to make sure that they remain christians.

a very famous case of that in Egypt was the case of waffaa kostantin in Egypt who were forced ( theough she converted to Islam ) to be given back to the orthodox church and currently she is serving her punishment ina remote monastry in Egypt desert.

There is no persecution , but Christians love to be påortrayed as martyrs , It is their way to cover the faliure of their faith to make sense and hold its own adherents.

Good luck with god dying to remove sins, sins that he can willingly forgive without dying . oh sorry , i forgot that he resurected himself just couple of days after he died. he sacrificed himself for three days and afterwards thought it was boring in the so he resurected himself.

Ther only thing that keeps Christians Christians in these times is that the Christian world is technologically advanced and has money and is a great producrer of sex, drugs and rock n roll. Orther than that , Christianity wouldnt even stand to Buddism in a common sense challenge let alone Islam.

and you wonder why girls run!

good luck

I don’t need good luck because I have faith in JESUS, the LORD.

You can just go on believing in the words of an illiterate, poligamist, warmongering pedophile living amidst sand and camel poop in some God-forsaken desert – your Mohammed – who was so ignorant that the Devil himself was able to trick him into spreading that bunch of krap (the Koran). You can keep them. Christians who have even ten working brain cells certainly don’t want them.

 

[GemmaRose]

Hello,

The detachment of christians all over the world from reality is what makes one flip.
And Muslims don’t live in a fantasy world?

I am normally much more charitalble than this. But the hate for Muslims and Islam is growing out of proportionall over the western world toa hysterical and paranoia levels. Normal incidents that happen between sinful humans is always amn evidence of the evilness of islam and muslims.
For your information, kidnapping and rape, strapping bombs to your body to kill yourself and innocent people, and flying airplanes filled with innocent men, women and children, are not “normal incidents.” If you believe these are normal actions, you are a very sick, evil and depraved person. Since there seems to be so many Muslims who apparently do believe that this is normal behavior, then either there are many sick, evil and depraved Muslims, or it is a symptom that all Muslims are sick, evil and depraved.

Every event that happens in the muslim world is maginified to catastrophic proportion and again taken as a proof on hwo evil islam and Muslims are ( and no i dont buy the we hate Islam but love muslims argument , i am a muslim and i represent islam, i was born and raised muslim and i practice islam )
Your loss.

Incidents happen and will happen all the time. Islam is a strong , proud religion . So is Christianity. If Christians think that attaxcking Islam will give them any credit to Muslims
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that any Christians care about what Muslims think about them.

or make relations some how better bewteen teh two worlds then i have no clue what logic they are thinking with .
Relations would improve between the two worlds if YOUR PEOPLE WOULD STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

We are not devils and you are not angels, each of us has the bad and the good. Assuming that the above was true doesnt make it islamic or representing what islam teaches. Just like the ongoing Iraq war shouldnt represent christianity.
The actions of Muslims IS proof of what Islam teaches.

The article shows that its author have no clue about Islam and treats all its readers as Dumb to extreeme proportion.
Your allegation.

So the whole muslim world ran out of girls so we need now to go and ‘‘forcefully’’ convert christian girls againt their will!!! what kind of marriage would that be for Gdos sake!!! and what kind of islamic upbringing would these ‘‘forced’’ Christyian ladies would give to their islamic children!!!
A Christian one, I would pray.

I cannot believe Christians vbelieve this cra*p!!! This craziness about Muslims is going out of proportion and is harming your credibility !!
And do you think Muslims have ANY credibility left anywhere in the world with their wanton violence, terrorism and bloodbaths?

this reminds me of the Blood Libel. Jews dslay Christian children rto drink their blood. Turns out that jews drink red wine every week and it look to Christians passer by as blood when they looked in from the windows !!! if Christian could come up with such fantasy story they could come up with many more !!!
Come on! Nothing can beat the fantasy story of where the Koran came from!

i appologise if i hurt any one but this craziness must stop!!
And, on a personal level, I honestly don’t want to hurt you. But collectively, your people really have to stop the bloodshed, violence and destruction before anyone on the face of the earth will want to believe anything a Muslim says.

salam

 

[GemmaRose]

I would like to clarify something.

I live in a VERY Arabic, mostly Moslem, neighborhood. My neighbors to the left and right are Moslem, and very, very nice, polite, and generous people.

I don’t believe that every Moslem on the face of the earth is bad.

I believe there are some good; more, unfortunately, bad; and all deceived into believing a religion that came directly from the Devil who masqueraded as a good angel and gave the Koran to Mohammed whom the Devil already knew was a depraved murderer with less morals than a pig.

I can only pray that with each passing day, another Moslem will see the light and come to believe in Jesus – not as just another prophet, but as the very Word of God Himself, come down to earth fully human and fully Divine, Who died on the Cross as an atonement for the sins of all human beings from the beginning until the end of time, Who rose again in glory, and Who now sits on His heavenly throne as Lord and King of heaven and earth. Praise His Holy Name!

 

[R_not]

I’m there mate, I can see with my eyes.

Also ‘‘jihadwatch’’ smacks of racial bigotry

islam is not a race.

Mr. Spencer has been nothing but a gentleman. He has asked, quite often, for debates with muslims. Most often they refuse because their ‘religion’ doesn’t hold up against scrutiny.

Actually, it might behoove you to read a bit more on islam - its history both past and present, its prophet, etc. faithfreedom.com is also a good website if you don’t like jihadwatch.

here is an article about a jihad in Belfast:
jihadwatch.org/archives/000812.php

Ireland could be a target:
jihadwatch.org/archives/008951.php

This might explain the North’s dhimmitude attitude (subjugated):
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001518.php

islamic cleric says Ireland is a legitimate target (gee, target for what?! that ‘inner struggle’?!)
jihadwatch.org/archives/007753.php

Here is a more recent article, Jan 2008:
jihadwatch.org/archives/2008_01.php

anyway - I keep on saying islam is the ‘religion’ that keeps on giving me proof that it is not peaceful, but quite the opposite of peaceful.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Relations would improve between the two worlds if YOUR PEOPLE WOULD STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD

Your statements and those of others on this ridiculous thread are simply outrageous. Muslims are causing all the violence around the world? What are the numbers?

9/11:
21 Muslim men, most from Saudi Arabia and operating out of Afganistan killed 4,000 innocent people

Iraq:
the lowest figure–one that even George Bush has to admit to–is approaching 100,000 dead. The highest figure was around 600,000 dead and that was over 6 months ago. Some believe the number is approaching 1 million.

And you people have the gall to come on here and go on and on about how violent those Muslims are? Are you joking?

Here’s an important point to remember. Islam allows for its adherents to fight unbelievers (this can take many forms). But Christians are commanded to “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” and to “turn the other cheek”. My point is that our violence is much less explainable than theirs. No one from Iraq had ever attacked the United States. And so, not only did we fail to turn the other cheek, we have been carrying on an offensive agressive war against a people who have never attacked us. And so thousands of mothers, fathers, sisters, daughters, are dead because of our failure to live as Jesus taught us.

So, brothers and sisters, lets hear some more about those bloodthirsty Muslims. If your eye itches, you may want to pull out the plank.

A Christian is fed to the lions, singing.
Rome is Ruined.–Ed Rand

 

[swariffin]

Here’s an important point to remember. Islam allows for its adherents to fight unbelievers (this can take many forms). But Christians are commanded to “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” and to “turn the other cheek”. My point is that our violence is much less explainable than theirs. No one from Iraq had ever attacked the United States. And so, not only did we fail to turn the other cheek, we have been carrying on an offensive agressive war against a people who have never attacked us. And so thousands of mothers, fathers, sisters, daughters, are dead because of our failure to live as Jesus taught us.

So, brothers and sisters, lets hear some more about those bloodthirsty Muslims. If your eye itches, you may want to pull out the plank.

A Christian is fed to the lions, singing.
Rome is Ruined.–Ed Rand

Dear Ed,

And you believe that God may say to the Muslims that they can kill the unbeliever, (and give them the right to define the word unbeliever), and on the other side of the world, God say to turn thr other cheek when slaped on one? And later on, find out who survived the earth? Wow, what kind of God would it be? Just like having 2 boxers fighting but you tied one of them with a rope.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Dear Ed,

And you believe that God may say to the Muslims that they can kill the unbeliever, (and give them the right to define the word unbeliever), and on the other side of the world, God say to turn thr other cheek when slaped on one? And later on, find out who survived the earth? Wow, what kind of God would it be? Just like having 2 boxers fighting but you tied one of them with a rope.

Obviously, if it worked out completely, Muslims would own THIS world and Christians would have to pay them a tax. A small price to pay for world peace. And Christians would still have their inheritance in heaven. We are told by Mr. Bush “Lets fight them over there before we have to fight them over here”. As for me, I would like the chance to show Muslims how much I believe in Jesus by becoming a martyr. Then my reward will be greater. As it is, we are proving to them how much we don’t believe in Jesus and his teachings. Actually, we are all so worried that the Qur’an tells Muslims to fight Christians when in fact this is an impossibility because a true Christian does not fight. We are supposed to be meek, not strong. We are to be persecuted, not the persecutors. Humble, not proud. Merciful, not vengeful. We are to hate this world and store up for ourselves treasures in the next. As for this world, if the Muslims want it, they can have it. It is ugly and cruel and the Light is so dim these days.

 

[Arbitro360]

Meedo is a liar.

Just one look at this gives the lie to Meedo and his lying, dissembling ilk.

thereligionofpeace.com/

You always have to carefully parse everything that Muslims say. They always allude to hidden Koranic meanings. For instance when they say they are against killing and raping of “innocent” people, what this means is “muslims” because all Kuffars / Infidels are by definition guilty of denying the devil Mohammed.

Ona nad on and on in this vein. Muslims can rationalize every kind of crime against humanity, up to and including genocide. The Koran commands them and instructs them by the example of the foul demon possessed monster Mohammed to kill the Jews until the Judgment day.

Islam is little more than religious gangsterism. I must take issue with the Hierarchy on this issue. They give much too much credit to the piety and “Abrahamic impulse” behind Islam. I say it’s nothing but window dressing for an evil, barbaric, mysogyistic genocidal, totalitarian political movement which is intent upon imposing itself upon civilization.

Islam is a horror. See “Beslan Massacre” “Bani Qureyza” the History of the Ottoman Empire, The Mughal Conquest of India, Al Qaeda in Iraq, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The history of Islam is the history of bloodshed.

Also, funny how anyone who criticizes Islam is a “racist and Islamophobe,” but anyone who attacks or criticizes Christians gets a free pass.

The days of turning the other cheek are numbered.

 

[Arbitro360]

Obviously, if it worked out completely, Muslims would own THIS world and Christians would have to pay them a tax. A small price to pay for world peace. And Christians would still have their inheritance in heaven. We are told by Mr. Bush “Lets fight them over there before we have to fight them over here”. As for me, I would like the chance to show Muslims how much I believe in Jesus by becoming a martyr. Then my reward will be greater. As it is, we are proving to them how much we don’t believe in Jesus and his teachings. Actually, we are all so worried that the Qur’an tells Muslims to fight Christians when in fact this is an impossibility because a true Christian does not fight. We are supposed to be meek, not strong. We are to be persecuted, not the persecutors. Humble, not proud. Merciful, not vengeful. We are to hate this world and store up for ourselves treasures in the next. As for this world, if the Muslims want it, they can have it. It is ugly and cruel and the Light is so dim these days.

Ed Rand is correct. However very few of us can aspire to such a holy outlook or accept such a fate. Pacifism is morally bankrupt. In what way does it serve the Lord if we allow ourselves to be effaced from the Earth?

In what way does it serve the Lord to go meekly into the ovens and accept the dominion of Evil in the world?

Would you allow your daughters and sisters to be raped my the muslim barbarians? Would you allow then to enslave your children? Would you allow them to steal your patrimony and wipe the memory of yourself, your family, your religion and your Country from the face of the Earth?

I cannot. I will not. If that makes me a “bad christian” then so be it.

2 Samuel:

27 to the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.

28 You save the humble,
but your eyes are on the haughty to bring them low.

29 You are my lamp, O LORD;
the LORD turns my darkness into light.

30 With your help I can advance against a troop [g] ;
with my God I can scale a wall.

31 "As for God, his way is perfect;
the word of the LORD is flawless.
He is a shield
for all who take refuge in him.

32 For who is God besides the LORD ?
And who is the Rock except our God?

33 It is God who arms me with strength [h]
and makes my way perfect.

34 He makes my feet like the feet of a deer;
he enables me to stand on the heights.

35 He trains my hands for battle;
my arms can bend a bow of bronze.

36 You give me your shield of victory;
you stoop down to make me great.

37 You broaden the path beneath me,
so that my ankles do not turn.

38 "I pursued my enemies and crushed them;
I did not turn back till they were destroyed.

39 I crushed them completely, and they could not rise;
they fell beneath my feet.

40 You armed me with strength for battle;
you made my adversaries bow at my feet.

41 You made my enemies turn their backs in flight,
and I destroyed my foes.

42 They cried for help, but there was no one to save them—
to the LORD, but he did not answer.

43 I beat them as fine as the dust of the earth;
I pounded and trampled them like mud in the streets.

The Word of the Lord.