Religious affections and love for God

[Prodigal_Son1]

Reformed,

I mentioned I listen to Catholic apologetic tapes on the way to school and back. This evening I was listening to Steve Ray and he brought up an interesting verse that made me think of people who try and justify all the different Protestant denominations, each with slightly to major differences in doctrines.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

I looked it up in the Catholic Commentary (see below).

13. ‘Is Christ divided?’ A division in his mystical body, the Church. is as monstrous as a division in Christ himself, in his real body or his person.

 

[guanophore]

What are you saying, that Protestant baptism are nullified until the person is in a RCIA class and now believes his non-regenerational baptism was a regeneration baptism?

Matt 6:22-23

"The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light; 23 but if your eye is unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! "

 

[guanophore]

For those who were participating on the Galatians Bible Study, the moderator moved the thread to the Apologetics section. As I tried to understand the various sections, the only area that I can participate is on the

Non-Catholic Religions - explore the history and beliefs of non-Catholic and non-Christian faiths, dialogue with their adherents

Sorry that we cannot continue to book of Galatians together. Please send me a PM to continue our study on the book of Galatians on another forum site.

Thanks to the mods! That is where it should have been in the first place, along with yourself, Reformed. You have misunderstood the parameters of CAF, just as you have misunderstood the Teachings of the Catholic Church. You belong on the Apologetics forum. Now, are you afraid?

Are you so full of pride that you cannot admit that you were not right? Come over to Apologetics, and carry on.

I sent a PM to the moderator asking for an explanation why the Galatians Bible Study needed to be moved to the Catholic Apologetics section. I have yet to get an answer. I hope everyone realize that Galatians and Romans are the essential books that sparked the Protestant Reformation.

We are not allowed to question or discuss moderator decisions. However, your entire approach belongs in Apologetics, so bring it on!

No, Galatians and Romans did not “spark” the Reformation. I understand that you would like to believe that, so that you can continue to justify your disobedience to the authority that Jesus appointed, but you will not pursuade any of us.

I want to know if you understand what were the central issues of the Protestant Reformation from the Protestant perspective. If you don’t know, then our conversations are really not very profitable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation

reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/cambridge.html

To me, it seems like what you are saying is that, if we do not agree with your opinion, then “our conversations are really not very profitable”.

I concede that this is the case.

 

[guanophore]

Why don’t you have those apologetics experts discuss and debate the book of Galatians on this non-Catholic forum with a level playing field?

The apologetics section is quite controlled and monitored according to Catholic dogma. ]/quote]

This is very interesting. Do you think that is more the case over in Apologetics than here? If not, why not?

Are you unable to ply your wares where there is strong Catholic dogma?
Reformed;4358507:

. When we showed up to discuss and debate, the Catholic apologist did not allow us to speak one word during the one-sided debate. The angry and mean apologist from Catholic Answers got the Catholic crowd so worked up, I thought the door to door team was going to be lynched by an angry Catholic mob. I’m not kidding one bit.

If your team displayed the same erroneous, bigoted,and pejorative attitude you have here, then I am not surprised.

 

[guanophore]

I will wait until you are able to tell me what were the central issues of the Protestant Reformation from the Protestant persepctive. I will refrain from communicating with you until you are able to give me the correct answers from a Protestant perspective.

LOL


This has to be one of the all time bests. I am saving this one to a text file.

“I will not talk to you until you can tell me what I want to hear”.

Lord, is this man married? The poor woman!

 

[ryanoneil]

I want to know if you understand what were the central issues of the Protestant Reformation from the Protestant perspective. If you don’t know, then our conversations are really not very profitable.

This link doesn’t address all the issues, but it might help.

Justification by Faith

 

[AshleyBelle]

This link doesn’t address all the issues, but it might help.

Justification by Faith

Thank you for that link! I really enjoyed reading that

 

[twb1621]

Thank you for that link! I really enjoyed reading that

were’d he go?

 

[guanophore]

I sent a PM to the moderator asking for an explanation why the Galatians Bible Study needed to be moved to the Catholic Apologetics section. I have yet to get an answer. I hope everyone realize that Galatians and Romans are the essential books that sparked the Protestant Reformation.

The answer to your question can be found here

Why don’t you have those apologetics experts discuss and debate the book of Galatians on this non-Catholic forum with a level playing field? The apologetics section is quite controlled and monitored according to Catholic dogma.

Don’t be afraid of apologetics. The forum rules are the same everywhere, and the apologists are the same everywhere. You erroenously imagine that you are permitted to violate the forum rules in the non-Catholic section, and this is not the case.

There is no more “control and monitoring according to Catholic dogma” in apologetics than there is in the non-Catholic section. You can get banned for not following the forum rules no matter where you break them.

I will continue to ignore you until you do your best to answer my question in regard to the central issues of the Protestant Reformation from a Protestant perspective. Take the time and study because you don’t have a very good understanding of historic Protetantism. You can make general statements and emotional responses which carry no weight for objective truth.

I think this statement applies as much to yourself, Reformed. Your emotionally loaded and misinformed statements reveal that you do not have any clarity about what is taught by the Catholic Church. I challenge you to take this same approach for your own enrichment, and the improvement of the debate. See if you ocan accruately articulate what the Catholic Church teaches.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I don’t think he can respond as long as his account is under review.

 

[sandusky]

This link doesn’t address all the issues, but it might help.

Justification by Faith

A bad article.

Clearly the two sides were not in agreement, as Kreeft puts forth, but in great disagreement, as Trent’s anathemas indicate.

 

[guanophore]

A bad article.

Clearly the two sides were not in agreement, as Kreeft puts forth, but in great disagreement, as the Trent’s anathemas indicate.

A lot of misunderstaning on both parts. Fortunately, much of that has been corrected now.

 

[sandusky]

A lot of misunderstaning on both parts. Fortunately, much of that has been corrected now.

I’ve read it, and the basic sense of the declaration is that each side retains its peculiar belief, with the agreement not to argue the subject any futher.

That’s not a correction of anything, it’s a cease-fire, a truce.

 

[guanophore]

For those who were participating on the Galatians Bible Study, the moderator moved the thread to the Apologetics section. As I tried to understand the various sections, the only area that I can participate is on the

Non-Catholic Religions - explore the history and beliefs of non-Catholic and non-Christian faiths, dialogue with their adherents

Sorry that we cannot continue to book of Galatians together. Please send me a PM to continue our study on the book of Galatians on another forum site.

You have made the same error about CAF that you have about the Catholic faith. You have relied on your own flawed and misinformed understanding to form your conclusions. Just as you are in error with this conclusion, you are in error in many of your conclusions about what the Church teaches. If you wish to engage in a successful dialogue with Catholics, then some humility will be required. If you wish to do it on CAF, then you will need to learn and follow the forum rules, rather than making it up as you go along according to your own skewed perceptions. If you owish to dicuss the differences between Catholicism an Reformed theology, it would be more productive if you would learn what Catholicism actually teaches, rather than arguing with your flawed and erroneous perceptions that are based on misinformation and prejudice to which you have been exposed.

 

[ryanoneil]

Thank you for that link! I really enjoyed reading that

You’re welcome.

 

[Reformed]

This link doesn’t address all the issues, but it might help.

Justification by Faith

Since Roman Catholic official doctrine cannot reform or change, any ecumencial documents trying to reconcile the two views of justication will always side with the Catholic view of justification. Do you agree with my conclusion? Why or why not?

 

[AshleyBelle]

So Reformed…did you give up on us?

Or are Catholics perhaps less ignorant of Scripture than you first suspected?

Is it possible that we aren’t all crazy?

 

[guanophore]

So Reformed…did you give up on us?

Or are Catholics perhaps less ignorant of Scripture than you first suspected?

Is it possible that we aren’t all crazy?

He did admit that his discussions here were “deeper” than he has been able to have elsewhere.

Reformed’s account was under review, so I think he was not able to post on the threads. I is now showing as a “moderated” account, which I think means that anything he wants to post would have to be approved first. Such a status would make it virtually impossible to violate the forum rules.