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bahaullah denies what Jesus taught us; and then, bahaullah turns around and claims to be the second coming of Jesus; and, this makes sense to bahaullah’s followers?

it is clear from this what is necessary to be a bahai!!!
 
bahaullah denies what Jesus taught us; and then, bahaullah turns around and claims to be the second coming of Jesus; and, this makes sense to bahaullah’s followers?

it is clear from this what is necessary to be a bahai!!!
Yes, Eddie, amazing isn’t it! Everyone expected God to throw a fastball and instead He threw a change-up!

God will NEVER force belief in Himself and always protects our free will. You have decided exactly what the prophecies mean, and how they will be fulfilled, and unless and until they are to a ‘T’ you say…IT JUST CAN’T BE. Well, it is your God given right to believe however you wish.

Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah did not in any way deny what Jesus taught, but instead fulfilled all that had been promised before.
 
My understanding of the ‘big picture’ is that as God promised He would never leave his creatures without guidance, He continues to send to mankind the representatives of Himself.
The cycle of Adam began the cycle of prophecy (with teachings for that day and promises of the future). Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah has inaugurated the cycle of the fulfillment of all those prophecies. While the Adamic cycle lasted for aprx 6,000 years, this cycle of fulfillment will last for at least 500,000 years. During that time God will continue to send His Manifestations every 1,000 yrs, or so, to update the outward expressions of the same spiritual laws, which never become outdated). As analogy: Parents are motivated by love to have different sets of rules as their children grow.

“This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future.”
Baha’u’llah
And when does this seemingly endless cycle actually come to an end? The Baha’i claim that we already have a new heaven and a new earth, though any rational person can look around them and observe that the world has not changed. Indeed, it appears to be getting worse, not better.

As far as applying basic moral law to modern situations, our Church does this on a regular basis. We must address the modern practices of contraception and abortion on demand; in vitro fertilization, human cloning, internet pornography, etc. We do not need a new Christ to remind us. That is why Jesus established the Church and gave it divine protection and teaching authority; so that through every age the people would know the Truth and apply that truth to the issues of that age.
 
And when does this seemingly endless cycle actually come to an end? The Baha’i claim that we already have a new heaven and a new earth, though any rational person can look around them and observe that the world has not changed. Indeed, it appears to be getting worse, not better.

As far as applying basic moral law to modern situations, our Church does this on a regular basis. We must address the modern practices of contraception and abortion on demand; in vitro fertilization, human cloning, internet pornography, etc. We do not need a new Christ to remind us. That is why Jesus established the Church and gave it divine protection; so that through every age the people would know the Truth and apply that truth to the issues of that age.
As you know, the physical Earth will eventually be destroyed, in some billions of years, when the Sun expands as it runs out of fuel, but the composite elements will disperse to form new suns/planets. It’s an eternal universe and a VERY BIG GOD running the whole show.
 
it is an interesting bahai claim that we shall know bahaullah is the one because he changes everything that Jesus taught. it maybe incredibly contradictory, but that never stops blind faith.
 
is that really bahai teaching, that the universe was not created, not brought in to being?

that is exactly what the mormons teach!!!

the univers is eternal.
 
As you know, the physical Earth will eventually be destroyed, in some billions of years, when the Sun expands as it runs out of fuel, but the composite elements will disperse to form new suns/planets. It’s an eternal universe and a VERY BIG GOD running the whole show.
And what happens to humanity when this event occurs?
 
is that really bahai teaching, that the universe was not created, not brought in to being?

that is exactly what the mormons teach!!!

the univers is eternal.
A Creator presupposes a creation. The former is absolute while the latter is contingent.
 
do the bahai really teach that the universe is the Creator?

too bad that makes no sense once so ever.
 
And what happens to humanity when this event occurs?
Don’t really know. It’s possible that In that length of time, science may develop means to travel to other planets. The creation/worlds of God are infinite and are constantly coming into and going out of existence, but as long as there are people living on earth, God will provide them guidance.
 
do the bahai really teach that the universe is the Creator?

too bad that makes no sense once so ever.
God is unique, alone and beyond the reach of any human mind. The creation is NOT God…The creation is the result of God saying…“Be”.
 
Don’t really know. It’s possible that In that length of time, science may develop means to travel to other planets. The creation/worlds of God are infinite and are constantly coming into and going out of existence, but as long as there are people living on earth, God will provide them guidance.
Nick, what do you believe will happen to you when you die?
 
ok, the bahai teach that the universe is eternal, meaning not brought in to being but always existing. then the bahai say the universe is a creature, meaning brought in to being, having a beginning. then the bahai say we teach truth.

i am guessing when the bahai say we teach truth, they mean that believe whatever we say regardless of whether it is logical, rational or makes any sense whatsoever because only the bahai are right. logic and reason have nothing to do with truth according to the bahai.
 
Yes, Eddie, amazing isn’t it! Everyone expected God to throw a fastball and instead He threw a change-up!

God will NEVER force belief in Himself and always protects our free will. You have decided exactly what the prophecies mean, and how they will be fulfilled, and unless and until they are to a ‘T’ you say…IT JUST CAN’T BE.
This is the difference, Nick. We, as individual Catholics, do not decide what the prophecies mean and how they will be fulfilled. Teaching authority was given to the Church, not each individual member of the Church. Relying on the promises of Christ himself to his Church, we trust that no error will be taught by that Church concerning faith and morals. We submit to that teaching authority and accept its judgment.
 
Nick, what do you believe will happen to you when you die?
Steve, that is always the 800 lb gorilla, isn’t it? We all ask and ponder over that question. I will tell you that Baha’u’llah, The Bab and Abdu’l-Baha have revealed more about the next world than God has ever allowed to be revealed before. The exact nature of the next world is withheld from us because 1. There is no language to describe it, and 2. We would want out of here, pronto! It is all available on the net if you’d like to explore for yourself.

A lot of analogy is made of the child in the womb where it is not apparent why all the activity is taking place, but is VERY apparent after birth. In the womb we had no choice but to grow, while in this world (in essence a spiritual womb) we have free will to either grown spiritual eyes, ear, arms and legs, or not. Birth into the next world will reveal how those spiritual faculties will be put to use.

In the next life, we will deepen in love and the understanding of God and reality forever. There will always be a point ahead and more to gain (just as there is no ‘largest’ number because you can always + 1). God is so exalted that even in an eternity of learning we will never fully understand God.

So, I see the next world as the start of an eternal, vibrant and unimaginably blissful journey of experiences, knowledge and service.
 
Steve, that is always the 800 lb gorilla, isn’t it? We all ask and ponder over that question. I will tell you that Baha’u’llah, The Bab and Abdu’l-Baha have revealed more about the next world than God has ever allowed to be revealed before. The exact nature of the next world is withheld from us because 1. There is no language to describe it, and 2. We would want out of here, pronto! It is all available on the net if you’d like to explore for yourself.

A lot of analogy is made of the child in the womb where it is not apparent why all the activity is taking place, but is VERY apparent after birth. In the womb we had no choice but to grow, while in this world (in essence a spiritual womb) we have free will to either grown spiritual eyes, ear, arms and legs, or not. Birth into the next world will reveal how those spiritual faculties will be put to use.

In the next life, we will deepen in love and the understanding of God and reality forever. There will always be a point ahead and more to gain (just as there is no ‘largest’ number because you can always + 1). God is so exalted that even in an eternity of learning we will never fully understand God.

So, I see the next world as the start of an eternal, vibrant and unimaginably blissful journey of experiences, knowledge and service.
Thank you. So is there any need for salvation or does one attain their eternal reward by progressing through human knowledge and effort?
 
this thousand year cycle thing the bahai proclaim, what is its significance in the big picture of human reality?
The most important thing is not its length, but that it is a cycle. It entails the faith that God’s guidance is never exhausted, and that no people, however distant in the past, were deprived of God’s guidance and mercy. This is a very important theme in the teachings of the Bab and Baha’u’llah. The reference to a thousand years is almost incidental to that, in one work of Baha’u’llah I know of he says
"Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned… That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation.
(Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah, p. 268)
For the Bahai converts in the West, many from various forms of pre- or post- millennial Protestantism, this rang a bell. The “thousand year” element is probably over-stressed in Bahai secondary literature as a result. I do not think the period was important to Baha’u’llah’s picture of past religious history, which doesn’t fit a simple chronology, but he makes it a marker of the future, by stating that the next Manifestation, who is to renew/replace the Bahai revelation, will not come for a thousand years.
 
did bahaullah or bab teach that Jesus was mistaken when He said He would raise Himself from the dead?
 
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