Remain isolated or restart the economy?

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I found it on Bloomberg Government, thanks. No mention of ordering churches closed, just an enforcement of limitations on number of people in close proximity. And it also specifically mentioned that drive-in type services where people were in their cars (and therefore separated) are fine. So this doesn’t really support the claim. Any others?
 
Just going to throw this out there, and I may get incinerated for this 😡 🔥 🔥 🔥 😇

I wonder if Trump and the other conservatives who are so gung-ho on ending the stay-at-home orders would whistle a different tune if unborn babies were susceptible to getting CV, and if two percent of unborn babies who get CV were dying of it?

Don’t get me wrong, I am as pro-life as it’s possible for a person to be pro-life, but all lives matter… both unborn and born.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/republicans-are-anti-life-party/

Just food for thought, don’t take it as an endorsement, don’t take it as shilling for Joe Biden, again, just food for thought. But for the first time in almost four years, I have it at least in the back of my mind that Trump won’t get my vote after all. If he re-opens everything (something which, as the otherwise execrable Governor Cuomo rightly points out, he has no right to do), and all pandemonium breaks loose, a second wave that makes this one look like a day at the beach, my vote, or your vote, won’t make a whit’s worth of difference — he might as well hang it up.
 
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It is widely known that about half of the country hates Trump and that particular campaign is headed by the largely left-wing media; Since the Washington Post is part of that anti-Trump monolith, my question to you is this.
Does your “food for thought” come from the opinion page of the Washington Post?
 
I read a really great passage in a book called Capitalism last night that reinforced that freedom of speech does not extend to having your views printed anywhere you please. It is the choice of the owner of the platform whether it be a paper, a social media site, or whatever, whether he will allow certain things to be shared. It’s not censorship as that implies force by the government.
 
StudentMI said:
I read a really great passage in a book called Capitalism last night that reinforced that freedom of speech does not extend to having your views printed anywhere you please. It is the choice of the owner of the platform whether it be a paper, a social media site, or whatever, whether he will allow certain things to be shared. It’s not censorship as that implies force by the government.
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Couple of questions:
  1. Books generally have authors, so can you give us that information.
  2. Censorship is not limited to government action. That would be true if government controlled all media (see communism) It is true that until the advent of the internet(roughly) we have become accustomed to thinking of censorship emanating from governments. During the last two decades, censorship is practiced openly by the so-called platforms. What concerns me a little is that you seem to embrace the idea of this type of private censorship.
    I have to assume that you support this private censorship as long as your convictions, political outlook and idelogy coincide roughly with the censoring agency. (goole, facebook, etc.)
    What happens when the hostile takeover takes place (this is fairly certain) and suddenly ideologs of a different stripe take over and start to censor the content you would support?
 
Capitalism by George Reisman. It’s available in full online for free at the author’s website. Just Google him. It’s page 24-25. I support the right of people doing with their property something that is their private choice as long as it doesn’t harm anyone. I may not agree with how they use it but that’s my problem.

And for the record, I didn’t say whether I agree with the owners of Google and Facebook. I’ve merely said I respect their private property.
 
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ontheway1 said:
It is widely known that about half of the country hates Trump and that particular campaign is headed by the largely left-wing media; Since the Washington Post is part of that anti-Trump monolith, my question to you is this.
Does your “food for thought” come from the opinion page of the Washington Post?
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I am abundantly aware of the liberal leanings of The Washington Post. Like everyone else, they have a First Amendment right of free speech and freedom of the press, and their readers have a right either to agree, to disagree, or not to read it at all. I read from all across the ideological spectrum and I make up my own mind. I read from left-wing sources, mainstream sources, and sources that are so far right, I choose not even to name them.

The coronavirus is neither liberal nor conservative, neither Democrat nor Republican. You need look no farther than South Dakota to see what happened when a conservative governor left it up to individuals, to determine when, how, and to what extent they would curtail their daily activities and distance themselves socially.
 
10% isn’t even the highest in my lifetime. And the Great Depression was horrible, but we (the country) survived didn’t we? We got though the Great Depression, we got through the Civil War, we got through the Revolution, we got through the Spanish Flu, I think we can get though this. Especially if we pull together instead of clawing at each other’s throats.
 
Many hospitals and other medical resources are not overstretched. There have been massive layoffs in some facilities (all the CNAs in one of the two hospitals here were laid off, and I’ve read multiple accounts of similar layoffs for CNAs, RNs etc in other locations). Beds are under 50% filled. People are being denied necessary medical care because there “might be” covid patients. (I work for another facility here, not the one that laid off all their CNAs), and I have never seen census numbers so low.
 
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HomeschoolDad:
I read from left-wing sources, mainstream sources, and sources that are so far right, I choose not even to name them.
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Word, my friend!
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. If we only read those things that reinforce our own point of view, we never grow, we never learn. (There is a certain stripe of person who is not interested either in growing or in learning, but I pray to God I never become one of them.)

I actually had a would-be CV scare over the weekend. Low-grade fever (I normally have a very low body temperature), chills, abdominal pain, fatigue, it was so bad that we couldn’t have school yesterday. Today it is fully resolved and I am back to normal. The culprit — a frozen turkey that apparently thawed too long, or had been thawed and re-frozen when I bought it (the store was basically giving them away for Thanksgiving). I baked it for Easter, and while it looked beautiful, something was slightly “off” about it. It had a brothy, intense smell not normally associated with turkey. It tasted a bit “off” but I thought nothing of it. Then later that evening — I just didn’t feel right. It got worse yesterday. Today I am fine, temperature back to (sub-)normal.

Don’t buy cheap, no-name frozen turkeys.
 
Or if it tastes or smells off, it probably is off. Trust your body. No matter the brand.
 
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Or if it tastes or smells off, it probably is off. Trust your body. No matter the brand.
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Both poultry and fish are hard to cook right, and hard to keep from going bad. I much prefer beef and pork for my protein. The turkey was just to take advantage of a basically-freebie I got at Thanksgiving time. As a replacement for the ill-fated baked turkey (that has been put in the garbage) I got some nice Kentucky Legend oven-roasted sliced turkey (excellent brand) for us to have with all that dressing, cranberry sauce, and yams that I’d prepared.

We will eat well.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
Both poultry and fish are hard to cook right, and hard to keep from going bad.
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For many. My wife is very good at it. I tended to overcook to “make sure”; to me it was better dry than even a little raw. And the thing I learned with fish was to buy and cook only what would be eaten at that meal, as far as possible (at least for fresh fish) and check the quality very carefully before buying. We have a market in town that has some of the highest quality and freshest fish I have ever seen outside of Japan or right off the boat elsewhere, and that helps a whole bunch.
 
During the Great Depression, the majority of the workers in the US WERE employed. Unemployment rate was around 25%.

Today, in my town, there are more open jobs than there are people willing to fill them. These are jobs with benis that start around $11 per hour. Thing is, people are actually making more on the increased unemployment payments than they would working entry level jobs.
 
Remain isolated until you are told otherwise, if you reopen too quickly you’ll harm the economy more by forcing a second and much more severe lockdown. As an atheist I’d say that your life has more value than a dollar on a balance sheet, those clamoring for an end to the current restrictions believe their profits are more valuable than your life is.

This will take time to restart and social distancing will remain in place for at least the next 12-18 months, so my advice would be to get used to the current situation.
 
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