Remain isolated or restart the economy?

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Based on the recently-identified Feb 7 death in California, we don’t even know what the early March levels were.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
Agree,there has to be an effort to close the gap between saving lives at the expense of crashing the economy. Both are death knells
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So, you do not believe that there will be deaths as a result of shutdown? I’m trying to make sense of the apparent dichotomy you see.
 
Emeraldlady said:
The nature of this virus is such that nothing but severe isolation and hygiene measures can keep it in check. This is pretty much the consensus of medicine and science globally. After that factual foundation, the debate becomes about whether protecting lives is more important the protecting an economy.
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The global scientific community is not in total lockstep agreement that only a severe and elongated total isolation is the only answer, because they will in fact tell you that there is more about this virus that they do not know than what they do know and that the data is so incomplete. How could anyone with a scientific mind say unequivocally that they know exactly what is needed to be done when they can’t even agree on symptoms of the virus?
 
That’s not what I said.I We need to weigh the risks of staying closed down to in order to mitigate deaths from this virus against opening up and allowing the economy to revive as opposed to it dying and the resultant long term damage for this country.There will be deaths either way,it’s unavoidable
 
The mentality that “I’m okay, so others must be” is self-centered, and not Christian. As @tafan2 says, you were lucky. Many many others are not.
 
F_Marturana said:
How can we tell the weakest among us, the old, the immuno-compromised, the sick, that they don’t matter, that money matters more.
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I think what many like myself are saying is that one CAN be concerned about life, CAN be concerned about the economy and CAN be concerned about our loss of liberties (at least here in the US) ALL at the SAME time. What I believe is that one cannot only look at one in a vacuum.
 
Socrates92 said:
There is already evidence of supply chains feeling major stress.
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This is exactly it. If the supply chain collapses, people will not be able to buy food at a grocery store. What then? Well, at least on another similar thread to this the answer was to grow your own food. This only demonstrates the myopic simple-mindedness people have about only looking at this one way. I asked if he really thought that was the answer and the response was yes. Right, like 7 billion people can simply convert to farming overnight.
 
Perhaps you have plenty of money, or perhaps your on paid leave, or maybe you are still working, whatever the case may be, there are those of us who cannot keep bills paid and food on the table, when you are not in that predicament please refrain from making commentary in ignorance.
 
The SBA forgivable loans are available to every Parish. The USA has made unemployment payments not only available but has raised them above normal unemployment benefits.

Every other business in this town now has “now hiring” signs, we cannot be the only town where businesses cannot find workers anymore.

Please, how is looking at the possibilities “unchristian”?
 
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There is a risk involved because there is no vaccine and people who haven’t gotten it or developed anitbodies may be at risk, especially older people. It does seem that the more testing is done the more people are actually infected/have antibodies and just had no symptoms or minor symptoms. While we don’t want people to dies, we can only do so much to prevent the majority of people to be exposed. It is very optimistic to assume a vaccine will come out in 12-18 months and there is even a possibility that no vaccine can be developed or that it takes muh longer. Quarantine certainly can’t last forever and there is no known way to completely eradicate the virus. We shall see. We will hopefully understand it all better with time.
 
I don’t think it will be possible to get the virus under control, especially in such a big country like the US where restrictions are not as strict as say China. Herd immunity seems like the best approach and at some point, there is so much people can do to avoid being exposed. Businesses will reopen and while many are still afraid, many will be eager to return to work or excited to finally be able to go out. Those people could spread the virus and even the people that try to avoid it could have higher chances of getting infected at say the grocery store. Others will avoid being infected by keeping their distance and they can do that. It won’t stop the people who need to work or are ready for things to open up. And it probably won’t stop the spread or eradicate the virus. Sure, the spread has been slowed down by social distancing, it was to flatten the curve though. We don’t really know, but expecting it to just die out seems unrealistic. The good thing is that research coming out is showing more and more that a majority of cases are asymptomatic or have minor symptoms, and that more people have been infected then we first thought. This also means the death rate may be much lower and likely less than one percent. I know it’s scary, and everyone, especially older and at risk individuals want to do all they can to avoid it. Hopefully this entire thing is not as bad as we initially thought
 
While life matters, it also would seems selfish if the older and immunocompromised people were to say that many of the young and healthy people have to give up livelihoods and futures so that they can live a little longer, when many of them have already lived long lives and have retirement money and receive benefits from the government and don’t need to work. At some point death is just inevitable and it will come in one form or another. I’m not saying their lives don’t matter, I am saying there is more than one side and there can be selfishness in both sides
 
rosejmj said:
The good thing is that research coming out is showing more and more that a majority of cases are asymptomatic or have minor symptoms, and that more people have been infected then we first thought. This also means the death rate may be much lower and likely less than one percent.
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Yes this. The original “facts” were that this would kill 2 to 4 million people and over 40 million people would be infected in the US and that the death rate was going to be 5% or higher. Facts.

This is not to say that the disease is not something to take seriously, as it is highly infectious and can kill you, but like you say, we are finding out that the “facts” all the epidemiologists kept purporting as truth are not “facts” at all.

What is still mind-boggling to even the brightest doctors is why Johnnie can get the virus (even with co-morbidities) and be totally fine and Janie can get the virus (even in perfect health) and suffer severe illness and even death.
 
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I have heard so much food from farms has been going to waste. Food that could be used to save thousands of hungry people… Instead we are going to just stop everything so we feel a semblance of safety. Some of it just isn’t rational.
 
It is still serious and scary, but it makes you realize how much the media tries to exaggerate things and tries to be sensational. It is not surprising that the scariest predictions got the most attention . Many people also didn’t know much about it and still do not.
 
For what it’s worth the company I work for has restarted Chinese operations with social distancing and enhanced PPE requirements, mainland Europe, and some UK operations are penciled in for the 18th of May with the rest of UK operations coming online on the 15th of June. UK government support for wages ends in June, although I imagine for hospitality it’ll be continued beyond that. Small business/self employed support is due to end at the same time, again I think hospitality businesses that can’t do delivery will have this extended.

It is likely to be phased end to the lockdown, and those who are currently shielding will have to do so until a vaccine is available and has been widely rolled out before they’ll be able to go about as normal.
 
The last 1-2 days, more reports have been coming out that show the virus was here in our country many weeks before the reported death, meaning that it spread to many people who were asymptomatic and went about their lives. What the doctors need to understand is what makes those who die from it come down with a severe case versus the many who get it and don’t even know it. If we can understand that, maybe we can protect those people. But to point, still deadly to some.
 
That would be nice. They need to be testing more. It would be nice if they could also help those who are at higher risks. I have heard that right now, respirators actually aren’t the best treatment for the respiratory difficulties of many of the covid patients in the ICU and can actually cause more harm. I have heard that the problem isn’t the lugs contracting to bring in and exhale air, but a problem absorbing the oxygen
 
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