Remain isolated or restart the economy?

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All I know is I’m going back to work in a week. Thank God I still have my job.
 
Well then who will work at the grocery stores or who will keep people safe from crime? Who will take care of the sick? Not everyone can stay home
 
Anrakyr said:
Everyone should stay home no matter how much it hurts.
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Right, stay home and starve to death, good plan.
Don’t be so foolish.

Btw, statistically influenza is deadlier, do you stay in self quarantine every flu season?

I didn’t think so, get real.
 
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Are you sure influenza is deadlier? So far the lowest death rate for covid is between .5-.9 percent which is at least 5xs more than the flu which is .1 percent death rate. Of course the death rate may end up being lower than we think due to lack of testing
 
40,000 deaths this year in the US from Covid-19, and their beefing the numbers to get to 40,000 as 3,800 or so of those deaths are of undetermined causes and have been lumped in to beef up the numbers.

59,000+ deaths from the flu this year in the US, so yeah I’m sure the flu has killed more, the simple fact is this has been blown completely out of proportion, they were projecting 2 million deaths by May at the outset, Georgia is starting to reopen because people are starting to realize that this is overblown, hopefully other states will follow suit.
 
rosejmj said:
There is a risk involved because there is no vaccine and people who haven’t gotten it or developed anitbodies may be at risk, especially older people. It does seem that the more testing is done the more people are actually infected/have antibodies and just had no symptoms or minor symptoms. While we don’t want people to dies, we can only do so much to prevent the majority of people to be exposed. It is very optimistic to assume a vaccine will come out in 12-18 months and there is even a possibility that no vaccine can be developed or that it takes muh longer. Quarantine certainly can’t last forever and there is no known way to completely eradicate the virus. We shall see. We will hopefully understand it all better with time.
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Yes, the “we will get immunity eventually” is in the realm of “all bleeding eventually stops.”

Having said that, there has not been a case of SARS since the initial outbreak in 2014 and MERS is something that is endemic in dromedaries but not people. It is possible that the virus could die down without a vaccine. You are right, though, I think: having reached pandemic proportions and having shown itself to transmit asymptomatically, it isn’t easy to know when a hospital system would be overwhelmed. This thing goes from zero to 60 really fast.
 
Let’s keep this in mind, too: After many years of research (17 years since the original SARS and 7 since MERS), there is still no coronavirus vaccine. Lots of tries and some of them with lots of promise, but so far, although there is still MERS in the dromedaries in the Middle East but there is no vaccine.

In other words: 12-18 months is the FASTEST we could get a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. There is NO PROMISE that we will EVER get one: not in 12 months, not even in 12 years. We may never get a vaccine for these viruses. There is no guarantee. That’s just reality.

The original SARS has not had a reported case since 2015, though. This virus could possibly run out of outbreaks. That’s looking like a grim road if there is no vaccine, but even with a pandemic-level outbreak it is theoretically possible that all the clusters could die out in the human population before every single person on the planet has been exposed.
 
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An extremely fine balancing act, I think it is certain that things have to change & priorities of production, labor & political representation will be adjusted.

No the economy hasn’t completely stopped but it has come to a crashing crawl. The tragic loss of life we are witnessing will inevitably slow down enough to restart sections of the economy.

As for the balancing act this is where our current social & economic systems will need careful & precise adjustments in order to fully restore our Western way of life, if at all possible it will certainly look differently.

This is a 2 pronged VIRUS as it is devastating to both Life & Economy. In some way we will all need to re-prioritize our values & truly consider what we value more.

OUR LIFE or OUR MONEY
 
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You are right that there have been more deaths of the flu most years that covid so far.

I totally agree this thing has been overblown and the social distancing has probably caused much more harm than the good that was intended. It has taken long enough for things to start reopening and I hope people will begin to realize and understand what is going on more . The economy has suffered and many lives have suffered and in the end there is really now way we know of to stop or get rid of the virus.
 
The country will get through COVID if we do nothing, just like it did the great depression. We will survive in either case. Lots of people will die in either case. We have just decided some are more acceptable than others. Of course, most of the people saying that have not been without income for the last 4 or 5 weeks with no end in sight, either.

What people glibly refer to as the economy or country are individual lives, many of which will be ruined or worst, lost, for a variety of reasons. Look at the outcome of the great depression, and the impacts on society. You want to talk about mortality rates? All with no guarantee that it would make an ounce of difference, because, you know, models.
 
How much money are you willing to fork over to allow for that?

Seriously, what sort of fake bubble do some of you live in where you can actually do that…
 
CathBoy1 said:
Btw, statistically influenza is deadlier, do you stay in self quarantine every flu season?
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Influenza has a softer touch. It pushes people who are already on the brink. Covid19 hurts for weeks and when it requires hospitalization it’s ICU.
We can resuscitate the economy.
We can’t bring back the dead.
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How much money are you willing to fork over to allow for that?
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As much as needed.
 
I have a feeling that what happens to the economy will affect, and yes even kill many lives. And the recovery of the economy may take years… What we have done to the economy will hurt us, all the extra debt the government has put itself in will bite us back as well. The thing is, I don’t think you understand the point of social distancing. It was NEVER meant to stop people from getting covid in the long run. It was to flatten the curve. The same number of people are represented in the curve regardless of how flat or how steep. I don’t think we are really saving lives in the log run because most people will eventually be exposed. Instead we are drawing this out longer and hurting the economy more and hurting more lives
 
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Yes this may be true as it is not clear on how a new economy & society may look. Compiled with the other issues you raised (environment, population etc.) we are all certainly headed for great change.
 
Yes you are right, however I think the shutdown, delay & stalling of our economy is meant to buy time for a VACCINE & OR CURE. It would seem the closer we get to this point the safer it is for all of us.
 
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It will take at least 12-18 months for a vaccine and that’s not even very realistic. Realistically it will take much longer and it is also possible no vaccine will be developed
 
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