Renowned epidemiologist sees 'massive disinformation campaign' against hydroxychloroquine
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Tis_Bearself
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Posting news articles about it on Facebook, including from reputable sources like Newsweek magazine, gets you put in “Facebook jail”. I have seen that happen a bunch of times.
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I remember seeing that video in the past. It is troubling what has happened with HQC. I wish at least that people were given the option to true the drug along with zinc and/or the antibiotic if he/she tests positive for COVID and has symptoms.
The first time that Trump publicly advertized hydroxychloroquine on March 19 there was a global panic buy of the drug making it difficult for the regular patients to get it. It went underground and onto the black market. I can’t fathom what reason the president would take such a position and interfere with the proper clinical processes.
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Motherwit . . .
There was already a significant foreign use of hydroxychloroquine before President Trump said anything.
COVID-19 infected patients ARE “regular patients”.
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Motherwit . . .
You forgot to mention President Trump increased the US supply significantly via purchases from India.
There was already a significant foreign use of hydroxychloroquine before President Trump said anything.
COVID-19 infected patients ARE “regular patients”.
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Motherwit . . .
Actually the hydroxychloroquine option supporters have been the ones concerned about interference “with the proper clinical processes”.
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Royal Australian College of General Practitioners. 8/11/20
“However, the evidence base is simply not there to say that hydroxychloroquine can be used to prevent the COVID-19 virus or treat it.
“The results of trials so far have proven inconclusive or found the drug to be ineffective as a treatment. It can also have severe and even deadly side effects if used inappropriately.”
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine pose well-known serious risks to patients including cardiac toxicity -potentially leading to sudden heart attacks; irreversible eye damage; and severe depletion of blood sugar- potentially leading to coma, explains the TGA.
WHO 7/8/20 The World Health Organization has discontinued the Solidarity Trial’s hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir arms as interim results show little or no benefit
WHO has accepted the trial’s International Steering Committee recommendation to discontinue the two trial arms, based on evidence from interim results for hydroxychloroquine vs standard of care and for lopinavir/ritonavir vs standard of care, which showed the two drugs produce little or no reduction in the mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients when compared to standard of care.
“However, the evidence base is simply not there to say that hydroxychloroquine can be used to prevent the COVID-19 virus or treat it.
“The results of trials so far have proven inconclusive or found the drug to be ineffective as a treatment. It can also have severe and even deadly side effects if used inappropriately.”
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine pose well-known serious risks to patients including cardiac toxicity -potentially leading to sudden heart attacks; irreversible eye damage; and severe depletion of blood sugar- potentially leading to coma, explains the TGA.
WHO 7/8/20 The World Health Organization has discontinued the Solidarity Trial’s hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir arms as interim results show little or no benefit
WHO has accepted the trial’s International Steering Committee recommendation to discontinue the two trial arms, based on evidence from interim results for hydroxychloroquine vs standard of care and for lopinavir/ritonavir vs standard of care, which showed the two drugs produce little or no reduction in the mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients when compared to standard of care.
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LeafByNiggle
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A little perspective, so you don’t have to get this story through the Fox News spin:
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Motherwit. Did you watch the OP video before you posted?
You did not address Dr. Risch’s points. Any of them.
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Motherwit . . .
And then when you do, I want you to teach me how to make big bucks off generic drugs (you DO understand that hydroxychloroquine is a generic drug don’t you?).
And then I will deal with your other points.
You did not address Dr. Risch’s points. Any of them.
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Motherwit . . .
I think you should provide evidence for this.
And then when you do, I want you to teach me how to make big bucks off generic drugs (you DO understand that hydroxychloroquine is a generic drug don’t you?).
And then I will deal with your other points.
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Quote from LeafByNiggle’s article . . .
Just the fact that he felt compelled to write this illustrates how politicized even taking care of patients and public health has become (which does not surprise me because the left - who would be pressuring Dr. Vermund to fire Dr. Risch - views everything in political terms).
This unusal declaration implicitly suggests (to me at least) Dr. Vermund was under pressure to fire or at least censure Dr. Risch and is responding with not a “no” but a “Heck no!”
Just the fact that he felt compelled to write this illustrates how politicized even taking care of patients and public health has become (which does not surprise me because the left - who would be pressuring Dr. Vermund to fire Dr. Risch - views everything in political terms).
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I did watch the video. Dr Risch didn’t cite any studies for us to peruse. However I’ve posted a number of the most up to date studies that have abandoned trials because of negligible, neutral and negative findings.
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LeafByNiggle
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Well, I didn’t get that at all, but I guess different people see different suggestions.
But the letter also distances Dr. Risch’s opinion from any official stance of Yale School of Public Health. I also question how involved Dr. Risch has been personally in covid treatment or covid research or HCQ research. Or is he viewing the literature as we are, from a distance, and coming to his opinion? If that is the case, I think the opinion of those actually working in this rapidly evolving field (instead of just teaching it) are more reliable as sources, and we know what they are saying.
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Sanofi is not the only one to produce hydroxychloroquine.
Perhaps you were not aware.
Hydroxychloroquine is a GENERIC drug.
Just because a mutual fund has Sanofi stock, suggesting Trump is trying to make money off of that is just not persuasive (from the Daily Beast no less).
Have you ever had any mutual funds?
If so do you ever look over their investments?
They have dozens to hundreds of stocks.
Any profit windfall on a generic drug would be picked up by dozens of other drug manufacturers asap if all this big-time profit were available.
Sanofi makes patented drugs too.
That is where money would be made.
Again. You have still not answered my original question.
I would like you to tell me how to cash in BIG on generic drugs.
So far your Daily Beast reference was not even close to sufficient. It is just more FAKE news.
When you answer that, I will deal with your other points.
Perhaps you were not aware.
Hydroxychloroquine is a GENERIC drug.
Just because a mutual fund has Sanofi stock, suggesting Trump is trying to make money off of that is just not persuasive (from the Daily Beast no less).
Have you ever had any mutual funds?
If so do you ever look over their investments?
They have dozens to hundreds of stocks.
Any profit windfall on a generic drug would be picked up by dozens of other drug manufacturers asap if all this big-time profit were available.
Sanofi makes patented drugs too.
That is where money would be made.
Again. You have still not answered my original question.
I would like you to tell me how to cash in BIG on generic drugs.
So far your Daily Beast reference was not even close to sufficient. It is just more FAKE news.
When you answer that, I will deal with your other points.
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Follow the money trail through the murky world of big corporate and their use of non profit organizations. You can find a profit from anything.
A conservative “dark money” group that received funding from the pharmaceutical industry’s largest trade organization pushed President Donald Trump to use unproven antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and make it more widely available.
Last month, the conservative nonprofit group Job Creators Network collaborated with health care nonprofit Physicians for Reform to launch an online petition, a series of Facebook ads and a mass text message campaign urging Trump to make hydroxychloroquine available to treat patients battling COVID-19, Sludge reported. These groups do not disclose their sources of funding.
“There is clear and ever-mounting evidence that the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine can significantly help patients who contract coronavirus,” the petition read.
One of Trump’s most influential supporters, Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, founded the Job Creators Network in 2011. Marcus gave $7 million to outside groups supporting Trump’s 2016 presidential run. He also gave $100,000 to the pro-Trump super PAC America First Action in 2018 to further support Trump’s second presidential bid and plans to spend even more to support Trump’s reelection.
Physicians for Reform often works with conservative advocacy group Freedomworks to influence the deregulation of health care policies.
A conservative “dark money” group that received funding from the pharmaceutical industry’s largest trade organization pushed President Donald Trump to use unproven antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and make it more widely available.
Last month, the conservative nonprofit group Job Creators Network collaborated with health care nonprofit Physicians for Reform to launch an online petition, a series of Facebook ads and a mass text message campaign urging Trump to make hydroxychloroquine available to treat patients battling COVID-19, Sludge reported. These groups do not disclose their sources of funding.
“There is clear and ever-mounting evidence that the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine can significantly help patients who contract coronavirus,” the petition read.
One of Trump’s most influential supporters, Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, founded the Job Creators Network in 2011. Marcus gave $7 million to outside groups supporting Trump’s 2016 presidential run. He also gave $100,000 to the pro-Trump super PAC America First Action in 2018 to further support Trump’s second presidential bid and plans to spend even more to support Trump’s reelection.
Physicians for Reform often works with conservative advocacy group Freedomworks to influence the deregulation of health care policies.
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Just to make sure I understood what the doctor was actually saying…
HCQ, in his opinion, is effective for those over age 60 with other health issues early in the course of Covid. He specifically ruled it out for those younger and without other health issues and also ruled it out as a prophylactic to prevent infection.
So, even the doctor has defined a narrow group of Covid patients that would benefit. Did I understand this correctly?
From my understanding as well, Ivermectin is showing much greater promise…a drug also available as a generic.
HCQ, in his opinion, is effective for those over age 60 with other health issues early in the course of Covid. He specifically ruled it out for those younger and without other health issues and also ruled it out as a prophylactic to prevent infection.
So, even the doctor has defined a narrow group of Covid patients that would benefit. Did I understand this correctly?
From my understanding as well, Ivermectin is showing much greater promise…a drug also available as a generic.
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Your Open Secrets source too failed to explain how you can make all this BIG profits from putting up an online petition.
A petition that says . . .
But I still want to see your accusation of how Trump is going to make all this BIG MONEY from a GENERIC DRUG that any drug manufacturer can make.
What do you think is going to keep others from making the drug if it were so profitable?
(You don’t think Trump has a secret army to keep out all those other drug manufacturers from taking his cash cow do you?
Maybe that Trump is cutting a deal with Putin huh? Do you think Putin is getting the other drug manufacturers off of the trail to make and cash-in big?
Or that doggone Don Jr. Maybe he has HIS slimy hands in all of this and if those other companies dare manufacture hydroxychloroquine and take away Trumps huge Mutual Fund profits from a single investment in the portfolio of a single GENERIC drug of just ONE of his mutual funds, why Jr. will probably post a meme against all those other manufacturers on his Twitter account.
That’d teach em to get in on all that GENERIC DRUG financial action!!)
What is it?
What is the winning formula to cash in big on these generic drugs (cuz I want some easy cash too)?? How was Trump going to pull it all off?
A petition that says . . .
This is true by the way.
But I still want to see your accusation of how Trump is going to make all this BIG MONEY from a GENERIC DRUG that any drug manufacturer can make.
What do you think is going to keep others from making the drug if it were so profitable?
(You don’t think Trump has a secret army to keep out all those other drug manufacturers from taking his cash cow do you?
Maybe that Trump is cutting a deal with Putin huh? Do you think Putin is getting the other drug manufacturers off of the trail to make and cash-in big?
Or that doggone Don Jr. Maybe he has HIS slimy hands in all of this and if those other companies dare manufacture hydroxychloroquine and take away Trumps huge Mutual Fund profits from a single investment in the portfolio of a single GENERIC drug of just ONE of his mutual funds, why Jr. will probably post a meme against all those other manufacturers on his Twitter account.
That’d teach em to get in on all that GENERIC DRUG financial action!!)
What is it?
What is the winning formula to cash in big on these generic drugs (cuz I want some easy cash too)?? How was Trump going to pull it all off?
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Trump isn’t going to pull it off by the way because it’s already dead in the water around the world. But there’s a money trail to explain the mysterious campaign for the drug.
Job Creators Network has been funded by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), a drug industry trade that counts among its members leading hydroxychloroquine makers Novartis, Teva Pharmaceuticals, and Bayer. According to tax documents, PhRMA donated $500,000 to Job Creators Network in 2017.
The Job Creators Network was founded in 2011 by billionaire Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, a major GOP donor who spent more than $7 million through outside groups to help elect Trump in 2016. Marcus has said that he plans to spend part of his fortune to help re-elect Trump in 2020.
Report.
Job Creators Network has been funded by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), a drug industry trade that counts among its members leading hydroxychloroquine makers Novartis, Teva Pharmaceuticals, and Bayer. According to tax documents, PhRMA donated $500,000 to Job Creators Network in 2017.
The Job Creators Network was founded in 2011 by billionaire Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, a major GOP donor who spent more than $7 million through outside groups to help elect Trump in 2016. Marcus has said that he plans to spend part of his fortune to help re-elect Trump in 2020.
Report.
I wouldn’t advise it now as we know that hydroxychloroquine is all but debunked, so you’ve saved yourself heartache by not rushing into buying shares in the likes of Novartis, Teva Pharmaceuticals, and Bayer.
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PattyIt. That is partially right.
He is narrowing down the recipient’s who would have the most obvious benefit.
People EARLY in the course (because the drug works primarily by keeping the virions OUT of the cell.
Once the disease is later,
once the virions are IN the cell,
and especially incorporated into the RNA,
you lose a major portion of the benefit),
who also have comorbidities.
Comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, cancer, immune suppression, etc. And age. Age is a factor.
I listened carefully and I don’t think he was excluding people under sixty.
He was suggesting excluding people under sixty without comorbidities as they don’t need it.
The chance of someone dying of corona virus without comorbidities is minuscule (being over age 60 is a comorbid condition here).
(He isn’t going to go into all the exceptions, but one exception might be health care providers [like yourself] who would benefit more because their exposure is more.
But admitedly he did not specify this here. But other experts that I have posted HAVE.
And if you think out the pathophysiology (which has been posted here on CAF several times), all these recommendations make perfect sense.
He is narrowing down the recipient’s who would have the most obvious benefit.
People EARLY in the course (because the drug works primarily by keeping the virions OUT of the cell.
Once the disease is later,
once the virions are IN the cell,
and especially incorporated into the RNA,
you lose a major portion of the benefit),
who also have comorbidities.
Comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, cancer, immune suppression, etc. And age. Age is a factor.
I listened carefully and I don’t think he was excluding people under sixty.
He was suggesting excluding people under sixty without comorbidities as they don’t need it.
The chance of someone dying of corona virus without comorbidities is minuscule (being over age 60 is a comorbid condition here).
(He isn’t going to go into all the exceptions, but one exception might be health care providers [like yourself] who would benefit more because their exposure is more.
But admitedly he did not specify this here. But other experts that I have posted HAVE.
And if you think out the pathophysiology (which has been posted here on CAF several times), all these recommendations make perfect sense.
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Motherwit . . .
Motherwit . . .
Ya mean there are other companies making the drug!!??
That wouldn’t fit with all that filthy profit that Trump was going to make from one Mutual Fund, that had one among many stocks in Novartis, that manufactured as ONE of its drugs in its GENERIC lineup hydroxychloroquine.
Is Trump milking Teva and Bayer too?!
Say. You still have not explained how a guy can get rich from a drug that is GENERIC and can be manufactured by a multitude of manufacturers.
Wouldn’t they horn in on Trump’s profits?
Or do you think they would all back off on profit
to help those Trumps increase their fortune?
Name one study “debunking” hydroxychloroquine in properly selected cohorts please?
Motherwit . . .
I thought Trump was supposed to make all that dough from Novartis?
Ya mean there are other companies making the drug!!??
That wouldn’t fit with all that filthy profit that Trump was going to make from one Mutual Fund, that had one among many stocks in Novartis, that manufactured as ONE of its drugs in its GENERIC lineup hydroxychloroquine.
Is Trump milking Teva and Bayer too?!
Say. You still have not explained how a guy can get rich from a drug that is GENERIC and can be manufactured by a multitude of manufacturers.
Wouldn’t they horn in on Trump’s profits?
Or do you think they would all back off on profit
to help those Trumps increase their fortune?
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