Repeal ObamaCare!

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P.S. By the way, I sent a letter on this to Cardinal DiNardo after all of my attempts to discuss this issue with the priest were denied. The Cardinal’s assistant intercepted the letter and asked the priest if it was worthy of the Cardinal’s attention, and was told to throw it away. Have the Bishops learned nothing from the sex scandals?
I am much more distressed at the state of our Church than I am by this rogue government. A sign of the times, I would say. Without a clear moral message coming from our Shepherds, how much more quickly will the government be able to dupe and ensnare us with empty promises of free socialist healthcare and other errors that will promise utopia but deliver the opposite .
 
What power do we have over government? We never get what we want.
Speak for yourself. Because you never get what you want doesn’t mean that is the same for everyone. What is true is that all of us don’t always get what we want, but then again why should we expect too? Which is something I’m noticing more in more in those who refer to themselves as “conservatives” conservative really doesn’t mean anything anymore. It just seems to mean “I want my all the time.”

As to how we have power over our government, we vote for those who express our ideals.
We get exactly what we want from business because we vote with our dollars everyday.
Incorrect, and anyone who’s even remotely paying attention realizes that. We work for business, which means they control us not vice versa. The only power we have over them, is accept less pay for a given position, which isn’t much power at all. As our incomes shrink they gain more power which means that only the largest companies end up getting more of our dollars. Big business has much more control over how you spend your money than what you are giving them credit for. In the end they control you, and our only recourse is the government. Which isn’t much of a recourse as long as we keep stripping away its powers over business.
 
There was a time in the early days of this Republic when God-fearing men believed in limited government and relied upon their Lord to help legislate laws which honored the freedom that was won from an oppresive State. John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

… Remember, we have been told by our highest level of office that we are no longer a “Christian nation,” and further one only needs to look at the track record of this majority Congress to realize they honor nothing good and holy and true as taught by Christ’s Church.
So you are saying that our laws should not need to reflect God’s will because everyone should be Christian.

So while you are converting everyone in America to Christianity, this question remains: how do we govern an amoral and non-religious people? We can have a theocracy and force them to be Christian. Or we could create secular laws which enforce Christian standards of charity. Or we could do nothing and ignore the fact that peoples lives are ruined through that inaction.
 
Business cannot afford the luxury of throwing money at problems and hoping for the best. Additionally, business cannot afford the luxury of pretending that a problem does not exist by redefining the problem. Only governments can afford such luxuries. The only way that you can improve government services is to make it private.
 
We are a government of special interests, by special interests and for special interests. The concentration of power in the hands of government creates special interests. “Public” education is an example. The education system is not public because the power now resides with our state governments, not our local governments. This concentration of power creates the specialist interest groups of the teachers’ unions and state employees. These special interest groups do not want competition. They are the ones who oppose school vouchers. By the way, the AICPA is also a special interest group. Only they have the power to grant CPA licenses.
 
We can have a theocracy and force them to be Christian. QUOTE]

I was watching an atheist convention on T.V. this morning. Atheists seem to be paranoid about this country becoming a theocracy. We would have to completely change the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to have a union of Church and State in America. I can assure the alarmists in the atheist movement that the greater opposition to that change would come from the Catholics themselves.
 
Excellent discussion thread.

To repeal Obamacare, we need to get a 2/3 majority in November 2010 in both the House and the Senate.

Possible in the House. Can only be done in the Senate if a large number of incumbent Democrats join with us.
 
Excellent discussion thread.

To repeal Obamacare, we need to get a 2/3 majority in November 2010 in both the House and the Senate.

Possible in the House. Can only be done in the Senate if a large number of incumbent Democrats join with us.
It should happen next year. I have never seen so many people ticked off! One of our doctors was on T.V. this morning opposing ObamaCare.

"In the domain of morality, is it not an accepted principle of our Western bourgeois world that there is no absolute distinction between right and wrong rooted in the eternal order of God, but that they are relative and dependent entirely upon one’s point of view? Hence when the Western world wishes to decide what is right and wrong even in certain moral matters, it takes a poll – forgetful that **the majority never makes a thing right….The first poll of public opinion taken in history of Christianity was on Pilate’s front porch, and it was wrong **(Sheen).”
 
Business cannot afford the luxury of throwing money at problems and hoping for the best. Additionally, business cannot afford the luxury of pretending that a problem does not exist by redefining the problem. Only governments can afford such luxuries. The only way that you can improve government services is to make it private.
Businesses cannot afford to be charitable either, which is why government must ensure they meet minimum standards for the good of society. This is why government organizations like the FDA were founded.
 
Business cannot afford the luxury of throwing money at problems and hoping for the best. Additionally, business cannot afford the luxury of pretending that a problem does not exist by redefining the problem. Only governments can afford such luxuries. The only way that you can improve government services is to make it private.
I think it is wrong to look at coporations and government as being the same thing.

When a business fails, what happens? The doors close, and all of its shareholders lose their investment. All services stop.

Do you want this to occur to a local government? If your local township or state went bankrupt, do you want to call 911 and hear “This number is not in service”?
The only way that you can improve government services is to make it private.
This is your opinioin and you are entitled to it. BUt for the record, all, it is an opinion. You state it as if it were fact.

How 'bout this for an alternate possible improvement? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Mobilize, and run for office. If the solutions are as logical and apparent as you seem to think, you should have no trouble being elected to something in your community.
 
We are a government of special interests, by special interests and for special interests. The concentration of power in the hands of government creates special interests. “Public” education is an example. The education system is not public because the power now resides with our state governments, not our local governments. This concentration of power creates the specialist interest groups of the teachers’ unions and state employees.
Catholics represent a special interest group too. Arguably, concentrating school power in the states gives the schools more leverage against the teacher’s unions. The unions could exist regardless of state/local orientation, and imagine how one sided a fight between a state wide union of teachers and a local school would be.
 
We are a government of special interests, by special interests and for special interests. The concentration of power in the hands of government creates special interests. “Public” education is an example. The education system is not public because the power now resides with our state governments, not our local governments. This concentration of power creates the specialist interest groups of the teachers’ unions and state employees. These special interest groups do not want competition. They are the ones who oppose school vouchers. By the way, the AICPA is also a special interest group. Only they have the power to grant CPA licenses.
Curiously, your opinions seem to be very consistent with some that I hear on a local liberal radio station. In particular, I very much enjoy to Thom Hartman (you can find his website very easily). He’s a self-identified Progressive, and a big fan of single-payer health care (which I can see that you despise),…YET…like you, suggests that corporations are the single biggest threat to our democracy.

This is one reason why I think that labels can be a bad thing… you can often find overlap on issues (even disparate groups like libertarians and Progressives) if you look hard enough.
 
It should happen next year. I have never seen so many people ticked off! One of our doctors was on T.V. this morning opposing ObamaCare.
I’m not as optimistic as you on that scenario (that is, getting a majority large enough to undo changes). Disparate outrage is hard to focus. At some point, opposition candidates will have to answer the question “after you overturn ObamaCare, then what will you do?” If they had answered that question better the first time around, it may never have passed.

I was disappointed that the Republican minority never seemed to galvaize the debate with a truly sincere opposition plan. It looked to me like they were truly just being the party of ‘no’. (I say this as an Independant, by the way).
 
This health care law is nothing but a shell game where they move the costs from non working to the working class while at the same time creating a massive wasteful bureaucracy. What will happen is Costs will sky rocket since non working and under employed individuals will be guaranteed more services with out additional mean while the working class will be forced to pay higher and higher premiums. The problem with forcing people to buy insurance is that you are forcing them to buy gold plated policies that meet the government desires. The result will be out of control costs setting the stage for the “public” option which will soon be the only allowed option. Then they will be able to control individual behavior via declaring anything they do not like unhealthy and a violation of the mandatory health insurance.

Notice all the employers posting millions in losses already? That is jobs getting taken out of the free market.

What they need to do is reduce burdensome regulation and reward people for working and penalize people who don’t instead of the other way around.
 
This health care law is nothing but a shell game where they move the costs from non working to the working class while at the same time creating a massive wasteful bureaucracy. What will happen is Costs will sky rocket since non working and under employed individuals will be guaranteed more services with out additional mean while the working class will be forced to pay higher and higher premiums. The problem with forcing people to buy insurance is that you are forcing them to buy gold plated policies that meet the government desires. The result will be out of control costs setting the stage for the “public” option which will soon be the only allowed option. Then they will be able to control individual behavior via declaring anything they do not like unhealthy and a violation of the mandatory health insurance.

Notice all the employers posting millions in losses already? That is jobs getting taken out of the free market.

What they need to do is reduce burdensome regulation and reward people for working and penalize people who don’t instead of the other way around.
ObamaCare spells the death of the American Dream. We are never going to pay off our debt! Unfunded Social Insecurity liability alone is $109 trillion. The only alternative is a crash that will the greatest of all time. Every game has an end.
 
So you are saying that our laws should not need to reflect God’s will because everyone should be Christian.
What I am saying is that our first amendment rights regarding freedom to exercise our religion are being threatened by this healthcare bill which will force me, with retaliation of penalties and fines or JAIL TIME (the EO is worthless, but that’s for another debate and thread) to pay for abortions, and further, does not respect my formation of conscience, or those of pro-life healthcare workers as directed by the teachings of our Church.
 
I was disappointed that the Republican minority never seemed to galvaize the debate with a truly sincere opposition plan. It looked to me like they were truly just being the party of ‘no’. (I say this as an Independant, by the way).
I agree and many political pundits do as well. One asked on Fox News, “just where is the opposition to this plan?” It was all rhetoric and this spells disaster for a repeal - as well as the fact that the judiciary is now compromised and a ruling from SCOTUS will probably lean to the left, despite obvious problematic constitutional concerns.

It is so disheartening to still find those party-loyalists and blinded constituents who, despite the Bush years and the ensuing devastation to individual freedoms and the growth of BIG government, still tout Reps as the party of conservatives. As far as I’m concerned, we’re a one-party system in this country now.
 
ObamaCare spells the death of the American Dream. We are never going to pay off our debt! Unfunded Social Insecurity liability alone is $109 trillion. The only alternative is a crash that will the greatest of all time. Every game has an end.
I realy expect some states to start talking about jumping ship and forming a new federal government. You see hints of it in the resistence to the health destruction act.

Also, sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before getting better. Maybe the impending doom will send a wake up call to Americans. We can still fix this if we want to.
 
I agree and many political pundits do as well. One asked on Fox News, “just where is the opposition to this plan?” It was all rhetoric and this spells disaster for a repeal - as well as the fact that the judiciary is now compromised and a ruling from SCOTUS will probably lean to the left, despite obvious problematic constitutional concerns.

It is so disheartening to still find those party-loyalists and blinded constituents who, despite the Bush years and the ensuing devastation to individual freedoms and the growth of BIG government, still tout Reps as the party of conservatives. As far as I’m concerned, we’re a one-party system in this country now.
I agree on this one, the republicans need to come up with a health care restoration act in which they fix all of the problems with this law.
 
It is so disheartening to still find those party-loyalists and blinded constituents who, despite the Bush years and the ensuing devastation to individual freedoms and the growth of BIG government, still tout Reps as the party of conservatives. As far as I’m concerned, we’re a one-party system in this country now.
True. The Democrat Party is the Socialist Party. The Republican Party is the Democrat Party. Both parties follow the economic theory of the socialist economist, Keynes. We need a third party. My choice is the Constitution Party (free market and anti-abortion).
 
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