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diligio
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O noes, then we would be just like all the other industrialized nations.
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CPA2
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You failed to mention that we would be just like all the other failed socialist countries. The rot is spreading, isn’t it?O noes, then we would be just like all the other industrialized nations.
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Rigged numbers: by Martin Weiss
The Obama administration has just presented 10-year budget estimates based on assumptions that are SO optimistic, even giddy Wall Streeters don’t believe them.
Spain, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, and the UK have committed even more serious accounting sins.
Greece even hired Goldman Sachs to help break Eurozone rules and cover up its excess debts, the New York Times revealed.
**Investors attack the weakest first: **
Greece, the weakest link on the periphery of the Eurozone, was the first victim.
Portugal was next.
And in New York even the United States Treasury felt the sting when its auction of Treasury notes bombed.
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diligio
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Are you saying that Europe, India and China are failing, while Africa, some Latin-American countries, Indonesia, the US, and the middle east are the healthiest and most successful?You failed to mention that we would be just like all the other failed socialist countries. The rot is spreading, isn’t it?
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CPA2
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Unlike the United States, most countries, like India and New Zealand, are moving away from socialism and to freedom at a very rapid pace. The United States is moving in the opposite direction, from free markets towards socialism a a very rapid pace.Are you saying that Europe, India and China are failing, while Africa, some Latin-American countries, Indonesia, the US, and the middle east are the healthiest and most successful?
When the Japanese stock market crashed in 1981, the real estate boom continued for two more years. The real estate market then crashed. There has been no economic recovery yet.
There is hope, however. The new prime minister believes in the free market. He is allowing Godzilla onto the shores of Japan. The largest banks in the world will get wiped out because of bad loans. (The worse loans are made in the best of times.) Once all excesses are wringed out of the economy, an economic recovery will occur.
Most jewelry manufacturers in the U.S. are out of business. For example, I counted only 7 employees at an old jewelry manufacturing plant in New York. I also visited a new and very modern jewelry manufacturing plant in Seeps, outside of Bombay, India. They had 4,000 employees! India’s secret? There are no taxes on exported jewelry! India also eliminated the 100% tariff on imported equipment. I watched India’s “economic miracle” first hand. India threw out the bad socialist policies of England and the United States.
The philosophy of socialism is failure. India and New Zealand learned some painful lessons from socialism. Wise men learn from the mistakes of others. Our creed is ignorance!
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rtconstant
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The only thing that has saved our bacon when we deregulated during the 80’s was the insane amount loans we’re taking out. No other country goes into such debt as we do to keep our economy going. The EU demands stricter policy on national deficits. Neo-Cons created a lending disaster and then borrowed to cover their mistakes. We’ve started to see the problem with so called “conservative” economic policies. Yet some refuse to learn.Unlike the United States, most countries, like India and New Zealand, are moving away from socialism and to freedom at a very rapid pace. The United States is moving in the opposite direction, from free markets towards socialism a a very rapid pace.
When the Japanese stock market crashed in 1981, the real estate boom continued for two more years. The real estate market then crashed. There has been no economic recovery yet.
There is hope, however. The new prime minister believes in the free market. He is allowing Godzilla onto the shores of Japan. The largest banks in the world will get wiped out because of bad loans. (The worse loans are made in the best of times.) Once all excesses are wringed out of the economy, an economic recovery will occur.
Most jewelry manufacturers in the U.S. are out of business. For example, I counted only 7 employees at an old jewelry manufacturing plant in New York. I also visited a new and very modern jewelry manufacturing plant in Seeps, outside of Bombay, India. They had 4,000 employees! India’s secret? There are no taxes on exported jewelry! India also eliminated the 100% tariff on imported equipment. I watched India’s “economic miracle” first hand. India threw out the bad socialist policies of England and the United States.
The philosophy of socialism is failure. India and New Zealand learned some painful lessons from socialism. Wise men learn from the mistakes of others. Our creed is ignorance!
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Tigg
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Well soon, after all the tax increases and other “reforms” they have promised to pass in a re-distribution of wealth (which the Catholic Church has condemned by the way,) and which will directly effect the middle class and businesses, we’ll all be in the same boat. There will be one big difference, however, because those of us who have been able to tithe a generous portion of the many blessings the Lord has bestowed upon us will no longer be able to do so. Private charities will dry up and watch what will happen then. What people fail to understand about collectivism is that it requires the individual to sacrifice himself for the alleged good of the group which will curtail individual motivation and initiative. Do not confuse this with the common good as described by the Church in her social justice teachings. This would be an unjust act and would require the confiscation of our goods and earnings by the State. Do you have any idea of the control government will have over our lives after this is all implemented?They offer sympathy and then offer plans that won’t do anything to help me at all. I’m not really sure how to interpret sympathy when it’s followed up by brushing aside the issues that several million people like me have in our every day lives. I wouldn’t know squat about the ‘best medical care’. I’ve always received the bare minimum of anything, local hospitals are rude, condescending and frequently I’ve had delayed care because they always assume I have AIDS.
You and I live in different worlds, in the same country.
History has proven over thousands of years that there will be no Utopia on earth, only in heaven. Jesus said, “You will always have the poor among you.” I am sorry for your plight and do not know your circumstances, but that equality thing? Here is what the Popes have said:
Therefore, let it be laid down in the first place that in civil society, the lowest cannot be made equal with the highest. Socialists, of course, agitate the contrary, but all struggling against nature is in vain. There are truly very great and very many natural differences among men. Neither the talents nor the skill nor the health nor the capacities of all are the same, and unequal fortune follows of itself upon necessary inequality in respect to these endowments.
~Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum~
But Catholic wisdom, sustained by the precepts of natural and divine law, provides with especial care for public and private tranquillity in its doctrines and teachings regarding the duty of government and the distribution of the goods which are necessary for life and use. For, while the socialists would destroy the “right” of property, alleging it to be a human invention altogether opposed to the inborn equality of man, and, claiming a community of goods, argue that poverty should not be peaceably endured, and that the property and privileges of the rich may be rightly invaded, the Church, with much greater wisdom and good sense, recognizes the inequality among men, who are born with different powers of body and mind, inequality in actual possession, also, and holds that the right of property and of ownership, which springs from nature itself, must not be touched and stands inviolate.~Quod Apostolici Muneris~
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diligio
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Right, they are saying that people are not inherently created equal, which is quite plausible. The liberal idea, at least how I understand it, is not that everyone ought to be made equal, but that equal efforts ought to yield equal results.but that equality thing? Here is what the Popes have said:
For example: someone who is unemployed, and working hard to get a job ought to receive some benefit until he is able to get one. Just because he had the misfortune to lose his job does not mean he is lazy or not working hard, and his hard work should be recognized. Thus, social security is invented.
Further, being born with a genetic problem or contracting certain diseases should not affect someone’s ability to receive medical care. Neither should income, unless you think poor people SHOULD suffer and die of treatable illness. To ensure people do have access to medical care, the current health bill was passed.
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mary_bobo
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Pathia, engage your brain. This country could help all the citizens who are without medical care at a cost of far less than will be spent in this plan that has been passed. And I dare say that the care would be better than what you are going to get when this takes place. If you can’t accept a sympathetic comment then I will pray for you. Meanwhile, I suggest you read Post #40 on this subject. It might be an eye-opener. God bless.They offer sympathy and then offer plans that won’t do anything to help me at all. I’m not really sure how to interpret sympathy when it’s followed up by brushing aside the issues that several million people like me have in our every day lives. I wouldn’t know squat about the ‘best medical care’. I’ve always received the bare minimum of anything, local hospitals are rude, condescending and frequently I’ve had delayed care because they always assume I have AIDS.
You and I live in different worlds, in the same country.
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diligio
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Probably, but it would require the public option and the single payer system.Pathia, engage your brain. This country could help all the citizens who are without medical care at a cost of far less than will be spent in this plan that has been passed.
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CPA2
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There is a difference in equal opportunity and equality of outcome. Congress believes in equality of outcome, which is a socialist idea. I do not think that IRAs, etc. for “rich” Americans are safe from the socialist ideals of Congress.The liberal idea, at least how I understand it, is not that everyone ought to be made equal, but that equal efforts ought to yield equal results.
For example: someone who is unemployed, and working hard to get a job ought to receive some benefit until he is able to get one. Just because he had the misfortune to lose his job does not mean he is lazy or not working hard, and his hard work should be recognized. Thus, social security is invented.
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This is the taxation plank of the Socialist party platform of 1928:
“Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.”
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diligio
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No, it is a liberal idea. Socialists are a subset of liberal so naturally they believe it, but belief in equality of outcome does not a socialist make.There is a difference in equal opportunity and equality of outcome. Congress believes in equality of outcome, which is a socialist idea.
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mary_bobo
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I don’t agree. But that is the end purpose of this plan, public option as the only option, and single payer. We could subsidize those who cannot afford insurance. This plan will end up being like Canada and no one will get good care. We’ll get care, but it certainly will not be good.Probably, but it would require the public option and the single payer system.
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diligio
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Please see this chart. It shows the life expectancy on the y axis, %private health care spending on the x axis. The bubbles are countries, and the color represents the income group of the country. As you can see, the US privately funds a much greater % of health care than other high income countries, but our life expectancy lags.We could subsidize those who cannot afford insurance. This plan will end up being like Canada and no one will get good care. We’ll get care, but it certainly will not be good.
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CPA2
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Either way, it is a practice that ends up in failure. Equality of outcome is the same as if you had won a large sum of money at a casino, and when you got out of the the casino the government would redistribute all of your winnings to the people who lost money.No, it is a liberal idea. Socialists are a subset of liberal so naturally they believe it, but belief in equality of outcome does not a socialist make.
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mary_bobo
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I am certainly aware of what you have mentioned. And now we have the obesity police attempting to manage our diets for us. Let’s face it, Americans in large numbers overeat and we eat foods that are not good for us. Do you want the “government” dictating what we eat? I think we can inform people of the harm excess weight can have on our bodies, and we already have postings on food as to calorie count, etc., but I don’t think the government can come in a dictate what we eat. We have been abundantly blessed with fruits and vegetables and every kind of meat product, but if people want to overeat, they will. I think that accounts for a lot of the medical costs in this country, don’t you?Please see this chart. It shows the life expectancy on the y axis, %private health care spending on the x axis. The bubbles are countries, and the color represents the income group of the country. As you can see, the US privately funds a much greater % of health care than other high income countries, but our life expectancy lags.
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pathia
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I find it hard to engage my brain when I have to constantly take opiates the moment I wake up just to be able to walk around. You’re telling me to do things I haven’t been capable of for years. I used to be able to type over a hundred words a minute, I’m down to about twenty. People always tell me I’m going to be fed a ‘pain pill’. Heck, that’s what they do now, all they can do for me is give me a bunch of cheap opiates and tell me to go home and rest.Pathia, engage your brain. This country could help all the citizens who are without medical care at a cost of far less than will be spent in this plan that has been passed. And I dare say that the care would be better than what you are going to get when this takes place. If you can’t accept a sympathetic comment then I will pray for you. Meanwhile, I suggest you read Post #40 on this subject. It might be an eye-opener. God bless.
All I want to do is stop hurting
All I want to feel is OK. Not even ‘good’. Just ‘OK’.
I don’t remember what these things are, it’s been so very long.
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aspawloski4th
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I eat for taste and eat till Im full. Because of low bloodsugar, hunger is a misarable experience for me.I am certainly aware of what you have mentioned. And now we have the obesity police attempting to manage our diets for us. Let’s face it, Americans in large numbers overeat and we eat foods that are not good for us. Do you want the “government” dictating what we eat? I think we can inform people of the harm excess weight can have on our bodies, and we already have postings on food as to calorie count, etc., but I don’t think the government can come in a dictate what we eat. We have been abundantly blessed with fruits and vegetables and every kind of meat product, but if people want to overeat, they will. I think that accounts for a lot of the medical costs in this country, don’t you?
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djeter
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OUCH!I can understand having disagreements and debates, but don’t lie to make your point. I discourage any other readers from giving such unverifiable or false statements like this a pass just because you dislike the health care legislation.
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politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/mar/19/top-5-lies-about-health-care/
Just because someone has an opinion that doesn’t agree with yours, it doesn’t mean they are lying.
Get a grip.
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aspawloski4th
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roll them printing presses!And then we might do well to figure out how to pay for it.
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Tigg
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I doubt that is what liberalism is touting, afteralll, is not liberalism truly a religion of the elite, but as a Catholic, I must follow Church teaching. At what cost would those “equal results” be to those who are successful through individual intelligence, initiative and talent (God-given qualities?) Furthermore, the Church teaches those who have been abundantly blessed do have an obligation to the poor, but it should never be something the State should mandate or control.Right, they are saying that people are not inherently created equal, which is quite plausible. The liberal idea, at least how I understand it, is not that everyone ought to be made equal, but that equal efforts ought to yield equal results.
I agree that in the case of true need, limited programs should be available. Social Security is another massive socialist program (which is failing.)For example: someone who is unemployed, and working hard to get a job ought to receive some benefit until he is able to get one. Just because he had the misfortune to lose his job does not mean he is lazy or not working hard, and his hard work should be recognized. Thus, social security is invented
No one in this country (including those here illegally) have been denied healthcare. I’m not saying reform wasn’t necessary, just not this one which was clearly a powergrab. The current bill, which will provide services this Catholic deems immoral, was passed by a secular State, not because they desire the best for Americans, but solely on a socialist party ideology with further control of the wealth of its people. Even the way this bill was passed was a gross, arrogant and many believe, unconstituitonal Federal attempt at further diminishing the law of the land.Further, being born with a genetic problem or contracting certain diseases should not affect someone’s ability to receive medical care. Neither should income, unless you think poor people SHOULD suffer and die of treatable illness. To ensure people do have access to medical care, the current health bill was passed.
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