Report: "Massachusetts Town Legalizes Polygamy Using Same Arguments For Gay Marriage,"

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Indeed. But disagreement is not inherently “disrespectful”.
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Indeed.
But I’m still calling out you and others who appear to disagree with basic Catholic teaching, and I question why you hang out on a Catholic forum to argue when you seemingly disagree with the most basic tenets of the Catholic faith.
 
Calling one out does not seem to be charitable. Many non-catholic have come to faith from disagreeing with the faith and having those disagreements answered. You to will be “called out” on these forums. You see no one is perfect. This is a discussion forum. It does’t mean that there is perfect agreement. It is by exploring that disagreement that you deepen your faith. You have the duty to defend but it is not a defense to"call out" No one gains by that attitude. Instead you need to explain why their disagreement does not conform to God.
 
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Or the person Is being, not called out, but asked to clarify why they believe that their statements contravening Catholic teachings are correct, and why Catholic beliefs are not.

The problem is that it tends to do what we call ‘de-railing’ a thread.

If there is a discussion on polygamy (a teaching which Catholics believe is contrary to God’s law, based on Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magesterium of the Church), and we are trying to discuss how a certain town’s acceptance under current US secular law might be problematic in many ways, but we are instead having posters say things like, “Well what really is wrong with polygamy”, “Maybe polygamy can actually have a positive impact”, “etc., as if the entire Catholic understanding is at best flawed, at worst totally irrelevant, and that the discussion needs to move on from why the OP action is a problem for ALL society and instead into a comfortable secular, “how can we use this to be all tolerant and accepting of our modern brothers and sisters”. . . Then we as Catholics are being de facto shut down from our own Catholic beliefs and constantly having to defend them or being asked to ignore them.

And that quite frankly is not fair.
 
Massachussets law forbids polygamy. In fact, a polygamist can be sent to prison.

This town cannot override commonwealth law.
 
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Calling one out does not seem to be charitable. Many non-catholic have come to faith from disagreeing with the faith and having those disagreements answered. You to will be “called out” on these forums. You see no one is perfect. This is a discussion forum. It does’t mean that there is perfect agreement. It is by exploring that disagreement that you deepen your faith. You have the duty to defend but it is not a defense to"call out" No one gains by that attitude. Instead you need to explain why their disagreement does not conform to God.
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Really? In a discussion about the legalization of polygamy we’re supposed to explain not just why polygamy is problematic, but even divorce? We’re supposed to try to convince people who seem, quite frankly, hostile to the Catholic point of view about why divorce is wrong, not to mention polygamy?
 
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But I’m still calling out you and others who appear to disagree with basic Catholic teaching
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Is it your practice to “call out” everyone who disagrees? To what end? What wrong have they done?
 
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Massachussets law forbids polygamy. In fact, a polygamist can be sent to prison.

This town cannot override commonwealth law.
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Here’s the scenario that I think will play out: other towns in Massachusetts will do what this town did. Then there will be a groundswell of support in Massachusetts and other states, and then finally Massachusetts will ok this. This is similar to what happened with same sex “marriage “.

Pax
 
@fredystairs: I can’t see that happening. But I’ve been wrong before. God bless.
Here’s the scenario that I think will play out: other towns in Massachusetts will do what this town did. Then there will be a groundswell of support in Massachusetts and other states, and then finally Massachusetts will ok this. This is similar to what happened with same sex “marriage “.

Pax
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I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. But unless something drastic happens, I think that’s the way we’re headed.

Pax
 
I can not even act surprised. Our government, however the SCOTUS did it, changed marriage from one man + one woman, so stupidity like this was bound to follow.
Personally, I’m quite sick of seeing stuff like this, and when it comes up in any conversation and I have the chance, I take a very hard stance against such.
Saying what i really think in this forum would get me kicked off …
 
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Calling one out does not seem to be charitable. Many non-catholic have come to faith from disagreeing with the faith and having those disagreements answered. You to will be “called out” on these forums. You see no one is perfect. This is a discussion forum. It does’t mean that there is perfect agreement. It is by exploring that disagreement that you deepen your faith. You have the duty to defend but it is not a defense to"call out" No one gains by that attitude. Instead you need to explain why their disagreement does not conform to God.
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Really? In a discussion about the legalization of polygamy we’re supposed to explain not just why polygamy is problematic, but even divorce? We’re supposed to try to convince people who seem, quite frankly, hostile to the Catholic point of view about why divorce is wrong, not to mention polygamy?
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27, there are two aspects to polygamy (as there are with quite a lot of moral matters discussed on the forum). May I class them as being the spiritual and practical aspects.

The spiritual aspect in this case is that Catholics believe that a marriage should be between one woman and one man as that is what God has decreed (via the Church). I have zero problem with that. None whatsoever.

There is a problem leading on from that in that Catholics would prefer if other people were governed by that as well. And it’s a problem because quite often other people don’t believe in God so do not consider it wrong from a ‘spiritual’ point of view. So if you want to argue that it shouldn’t be allowed then arguing from a Christian viewpoint is as meaningful to these people as arguing from, for example, a Muslim viewpoint (which in some cases actually allows it).

So you need to make your point from a practical position. Just as you would if you were trying to convince someone that stealing was wrong. You could do that to an atheist without bringing God into the argument at all. Because ‘stealing is wrong because God says so’ won’t get you anywhere with someone who doesn’t even believe He exists. But there are reasons why God says that stealing is wrong. You’d need to explain those.

So what is being questioned are the practical reasons why polygamy is wrong. Not your belief that it is wrong. So if I’m supportive of polygamy (and I’m pretty ambivalent about it) and you say it shouldn’t be allowed then you will need to give me some good reasons for it.

And I think everyone could agree that that’s a reasonable position to take.
 
I guess Bishop Sheen had the authority to deal effectively with people hostile to the Catholic faith. I just don’t know why they want to spend so much time here when they don’t agree with the basic tenets of our faith.
 
I believe that in the past, you’ve said that you are an atheist. Is that correct? I’m just trying to refresh my memory.

Pax
 
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