Report: Some Cardinals Want Pope Francis to Resign, Fear Schism Worse Than The Reformation

[FollowChrist34]

I don’t think he’s ‘struggling’. Look at his posting history.

As opposed to yours?

 

[CarlCatholic]

I will place my trust in Jesus. Pope Francis is a human being whose heart only God can read.

I will trust in the Holy Spirit to keep the Church on Christ’s path. In the mean time I will continue to live as I have been taught by the Church and my conscience. Fortunately, I am not in a position where the issues in question directly affect me. I do feel sorry for Priests and Bishops who must direct their flocks. We must pray that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church and its people.
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[SAVINGRACE]

If you’re leaving the Catholic Church, why do you care?
Become a fundamentalist, you make a career out of bashing the Pope.

yes looks like he/she’s only sticking around to bash the Pope. If people are going to move on…then move on and join a fundamentalist or protestant forum if they are going to continue the Pope bashing. JPUS is not like the other protestants and converts on this forum, at least they have manners and aren’t obsessed with attacking the Holy Father. Makes you wonder what his/her agenda is.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

But…have you read all of the Divine Comedy??? That’s the real question.

Yes all three volumes, I was bed ridden in the summer of 1991, why is that important?

And yes I thought it may have been those stanzas.
Quite different from the alleged “quote” as I suggested.

And as your commentator explains, not even in hell, let alone the “hottest part of hell”.
I believe such are, according to Dante himself, punished in the “vestibule” to hell.

Just sayin.

Nobody does the hard critical yards anymore - whatever is on the Net is taken as instant truth and the blind lead the blind.

 

[MikeHammer]

yes looks like he/she’s only sticking around to bash the Pope. If people are going to move on…then move on and join a fundamentalist or protestant forum if they are going to continue the Pope bashing. JPUS is not like the other protestants and converts on this forum, at least they have manners and aren’t obsessed with attacking the Holy Father. Makes you wonder what his/her agenda is.

JP isn’t the only one here like that. This forum is over-run by trads and right-wingers who give a very distorted view of the Church and her teaching. I fear any lurkers who come to this forum thinking they are getting an accurate picture of Catholicism. The more level-headed posters on this forum should contact the Bishop of San Diego to have it shut down… It’s a disgrace.

 

[Ginny89]

JP isn’t the only one here like that. This forum is over-run by trads and right-wingers who give a very distorted view of the Church and her teaching. I fear any lurkers who come to this forum thinking they are getting an accurate picture of Catholicism. The more level-headed posters on this forum should contact the Bishop of San Diego to have it shut down… It’s a disgrace.

The more level-headed posters should contact the moderator to have YOU shut down for trying to get the board shut down. People here cite official documents for their authorities. If authentic Catholicism is under threat, you should be able to make your own arguments with authorities rather than try to get people who disagree with you gagged.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[FollowChrist34]

Yes all three volumes, I was bed ridden in the summer of 1991, why is that important?

It’s not. It is completely irrelevant - that was the point. I was using irony. We are not talking about the Inferno, who has read what. For the record, Dante does, in fact, condemn those who remain morally neutral in times of moral crisis. (let’s say I lucked out there) Do you disagree with this statement? I was arguing that concern about the conflict over AL in the Church is not just understandable, but obligation. (see earlier posts)

Nobody does the hard critical yards anymore.

Right, I am so with you on that, Blue Horizon! (see above)

This is why the dubia was presented to Pope Francis by the four cardinals. For clarity and understanding, we need coherency, ‘hard critical yards.’

Back on point, I do wonder what is up with this liberal group though - if true - is Francis not going forward effectively enough or too effectively or going nowhere super effectively. Again, I predict there will be some truth emerging to this rumor. Very few ‘rumors’ have been unfounded so far in this pontificate. I am beginning to suspect that consigning information to ‘rumors’ is more and more just a stop gap measure, damage control. Not unlike the established pattern of confusion, contradictions being intentionally employed in doctrine, official communication.

 

[MikeHammer]

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Yet the story, from a fake news source remains…

 

[MikeHammer]

Modern trads have a voice they never had before. Trump’s guy Steve Bannon, who is a radical right-wing extremist, has been meeting with anti-Pope Francis clergy in Rome, hoping to stir the pot. With his money, and the money from Breitbart, they are launching an all out attack on the Pope.
The sudden recent increase in anti-Pope Francis stories from right-wing fake news sites, the sudden recent resurgence of trads in social media sites. Many seemingly having the time and the money they never had before…
Prepare for an onslaught of anti-Francis, anti-Catholic “news” stories. Trump has teamed up with his most vocal Catholic supporters: trads.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

It’s not. It is completely irrelevant - that was the point. I was using irony. We are not talking about the Inferno, who has read what. For the record, Dante does, in fact, condemn those who remain morally neutral in times of moral crisis. (let’s say I lucked out there) Do you disagree with this statement? I was arguing that concern about the conflict over AL in the Church is not just understandable, but obligation. (see earlier posts)

Right, I am so with you on that, Blue Horizon! (see above)

This is why the dubia was presented to Pope Francis by the four cardinals. For clarity and understanding, we need coherency, ‘hard critical yards.’

Back on point, I do wonder what is up with this liberal group though - if true - is Francis not going forward effectively enough or too effectively or going nowhere super effectively. Again, I predict there will be some truth emerging to this rumor. Very few ‘rumors’ have been unfounded so far in this pontificate. I am beginning to suspect that consigning information to ‘rumors’ is more and more just a stop gap measure, damage control. Not unlike the established pattern of confusion, contradictions being intentionally employed in doctrine, official communication.

FC I am not really interested in discussing with you sorry. You are just a little too uncritical of the quotes, concepts (“liberals”) and " information" you launch from.

 

[FollowChrist34]

FC I am not really interested in discussing with you sorry. You are just a little too uncritical of the quotes, concepts (“liberals”) and " information" you launch from.

Ok, that sounds like a plan. But keep an eye out for too rigidly, blindly adhering to whatever and wherever it is exactly that you are launching from.

 

[Lion_IRC]

FollowChrist34;14516288:

My view on the matter:

The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality. – Dante

As one who has actually read all of Dante (presumably you refer to “Inferno”) … I don’t think so.

…But perhaps you can provide the actual reference to where in “Inferno” we might actually find this stanza so we can compare the above with the original?

FollowChrist34 didnt actually say that was from Dante’s Inferno

FWIW - I think you can make an argument that the ‘lukewarm’ who are neither hot nor cold, and who simultaneously attract God’s righteous wrath and satan’s scorn are, in a sense, the worst off of all who we see in Dante’s vision. If the gates of hell are locked from the inside, then the ‘hottest’ place in hell would be the place where one felt the ‘hottest’. Who is to say that these Laodocians arent bringing upon themselves the hottest of heat?

 

[Havard]

Modern trads have a voice they never had before. Trump’s guy Steve Bannon, who is a radical right-wing extremist, has been meeting with anti-Pope Francis clergy in Rome, hoping to stir the pot. With his money, and the money from Breitbart, they are launching an all out attack on the Pope.
The sudden recent increase in anti-Pope Francis stories from right-wing fake news sites, the sudden recent resurgence of trads in social media sites. Many seemingly having the time and the money they never had before…
Prepare for an onslaught of anti-Francis, anti-Catholic “news” stories. Trump has teamed up with his most vocal Catholic supporters: trads.

About that…

cruxnow.com/analysis/2017/02/13/dose-reality-steve-bannoncardinal-burke-axis/

Nota bene: John Allen Jr. is one of the most respected journalists to cover the Vatican, and is by no means a Burke or a Bannon apologist.