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Brilliant Ishii! Putting our faith in “princes” is a ticket to disappointment. I shake my head in wonder at those who disparage all those running or elected for their lack of perfection, assuming that their failed candidate could have “made the oceans reatreat and heal the planet.”

Perfection is the enemy of the good. I’d take good over evil anyday and continually push for a higher and higher standard. Perfection we will never achieve. Let’s at least move in the right direction instead of being mired in self pity and regret for 'what might have been…"
Lisa
Obama’s talking about the oceans and the planet, Lisa, was a reference to climate change, which I realize you don’t believe exists, contrary to most (not all) reputable scientists. Romney used the same reference in his speech and it got a lot of applause, reinforcing the notion that the RNC is not the most scientifically- or environmentally-attuned group of people. If our planet does not survive, we won’t need to discuss or be concerned about the abortion issue or the economy anymore.
 
These are wonderful! LOL Yes, it appears Joe Biden is the master of the gaffe: sorry, GWB. But at least his comment on Hillary shows humility (unlike Obama); and do you really expect him to calls “jobs” a FOUR-letter word? Maybe Biden can do some shtick at the DNC similar to that performed by Clint Eastwood. On a serious note, I still have to admire any man who can make a new life for himself after his first wife and child were killed in a car accident. That takes courage.
As a man who’s wife left him for another man and took his two daughters with her, I know exactly what you are talking about. Rebuilding a life after a very nasty divorce where you essentially have your relationship severed is sometimes more devastating than having them die (speaking as a man who has also buried a son). I don’t dismiss Biden’s sincerity. I question his intellect and his presence of mind with some of these comments caught on tape.
 
I am a rabid anti-political party. I am not “rabidly” anti-GOP. There are still many things I appreciate about the GOP. But the establishment just forcing a rules changed down the convention’s throat with rubber stamping by John Boehner was deplorable. I think Rence Prebius should be barred from politics. He pick Mitt Romney from the get go and broke the rules during the primaries to ensure that his boy got the nomination. There are many terrible examples of establishmentarianism in the GOP that make it as unappealing as the DNC. However, get rid of Prebius and elect a party chief that has some moral integrity and I would be more inclined to support it.
I’ll admit that I have not looked at those criticisms of Rance Prebius. I think there will always be a battle between those in teh GOP who are establishment and those who are more ideological: Goldwater vs Rockefeller in '64, Reagan vs Ford in '76, Reagan vs Bush in '80, Bush vs Buchanan in '92. They are kind of perpetually battling. I think Romney is part of the establishment - my only hope is that he’ll govern as a fiscal consertive and pro-lifer. I am trying not to get my hopes up too much - but I believe that if Romney/Ryan and the GOP don’t get the fiscal house in order - if they do business as usual and continue the spending, and if they get the senate don’t nominate good judges, then the GOP will have a hard time claiming to be pro-life and fiscally conservative. I am cautiously optimistic that they will atleast do their best.

Ishii
 
As a man who’s wife left him for another man and took his two daughters with her, I know exactly what you are talking about. Rebuilding a life after a very nasty divorce where you essentially have your relationship severed is sometimes more devastating than having them die (speaking as a man who has also buried a son). I don’t dismiss Biden’s sincerity. I question his intellect and his presence of mind with some of these comments caught on tape.
Fair enough. I’m sorry for your loss, Scott.
 
I’ll admit that I have not looked at those criticisms of Rance Prebius. I think there will always be a battle between those in teh GOP who are establishment and those who are more ideological: Goldwater vs Rockefeller in '64, Reagan vs Ford in '76, Reagan vs Bush in '80, Bush vs Buchanan in '92. They are kind of perpetually battling. I think Romney is part of the establishment - my only hope is that he’ll govern as a fiscal consertive and pro-lifer. I am trying not to get my hopes up too much - but I believe that if Romney/Ryan and the GOP don’t get the fiscal house in order - if they do business as usual and continue the spending, and if they get the senate don’t nominate good judges, then the GOP will have a hard time claiming to be pro-life and fiscally conservative. I am cautiously optimistic that they will atleast do their best.

Ishii
Here is what I think.

Romney is a problem solver and a decision maker. That part cannot be questioned. His entire life is an example of it. My issue with the GOP in general is that they are blaming the Democrats for everything, when the bulk of our fiscal problems lay squarely at the feet of an unaccountable Federal Reserve System. Yet, the GOP refuses to address the real root of the problem. overspending wouldn’t be a problem if we didn’t have an accomodating Fed willing to print all the money that the Congress wanted to spend. Imagine if a Fed chief told the Secretary of State “I’m sorry, but we find that lending you any more money is too risky. You are going to have to demonstrate some ability to reconcile this debt before we generate any more money for you.”

I find Ryan a sincere and well-thought public servant. He is humble, sincere, and articulate.

The party honors the core values of the Catholic Church, particularly its commitment to life and marriage.

However, this particular nominating process has shown some really ugly aspects of party politics. I find Rence Prebius shifty, smug, and willing to break and change the rules to ensure he gets what he wants. That is not the job of the Chair. The job of the Chair is to ensure that the party rules are enforced with integrity and to support those candidates who demonstrate they can live up to the party platform as nearly as they can, considering their voting demographic. (this is why I give Scott Brown some leeway. Yes he isn’t pro-life, but in Massechussets, you cannot win public office if you are. That is not an indictment of the politician, but rather a condemnatory statement on the public voting block as a whole).
 
As a man who’s wife left him for another man and took his two daughters with her, I know exactly what you are talking about. Rebuilding a life after a very nasty divorce where you essentially have your relationship severed is sometimes more devastating than having them die (speaking as a man who has also buried a son). I don’t dismiss Biden’s sincerity.
I completely agree with you, having also gone through divorce with children myself, and having lost my dad to murder at the age of 19.
I question his intellect and his presence of mind with some of these comments caught on tape.
As you earlier stated, Romney’s qualifications as a good husband and father are not good enough reasons to vote for him.
 
I’ll admit that I have not looked at those criticisms of Rance Prebius. I think there will always be a battle between those in teh GOP who are establishment and those who are more ideological: Goldwater vs Rockefeller in '64, Reagan vs Ford in '76, Reagan vs Bush in '80, Bush vs Buchanan in '92. They are kind of perpetually battling. I think Romney is part of the establishment - my only hope is that he’ll govern as a fiscal consertive and pro-lifer. I am trying not to get my hopes up too much - but I believe that if Romney/Ryan and the GOP don’t get the fiscal house in order - if they do business as usual and continue the spending, and if they get the senate don’t nominate good judges, then the GOP will have a hard time claiming to be pro-life and fiscally conservative. I am cautiously optimistic that they will atleast do their best.

Ishii
I will give Romney what I gave Obama…5 Executive decisions. If there is nothing in those decisions that tell me Gov. Romney is serious in truly “Restoring America” then it’s off to some other country for me. I hope Romney has “changed” as many pro-Romney supporters claim, but I’m not as optimistic, however if good Tea Partiers are there to hold Romney’s feet to the fire (which they failed to do with Bush) then perhaps there is hope.

I agree with you Ishii, if nothing is done seriously this time around to undo the damage done by Roe v. Wade then the GOP can no longer claim they are the pro-life party…but then again the Democrats still claim they are the middle-class party. 🤷
 
He didn’t seem confused at times to you- like he forgot what he was going to say.

Some of his points didn’t sound “tangled” to you.

I haved worked with the impaired elderly for a long time and this is pretty common.

He basically sucked the energy out of the room. Just be honest.
The more I think about it, the more I think Clint Eastwood’s speech was brilliant: he was talking to Obama who was represented by an empty chair. All kinds of metaphors there - Obama’s empty promises, Obama is an empty suit, etc. Again, brilliant speech by a movie legend.

oceanstatecurrent.com/opinion/the-brilliance-of-clints-empty-chair/

Ishii
 
I completely agree with you, having also gone through divorce with children myself, and having lost my dad to murder at the age of 19. As you earlier stated, Romney’s qualifications as a good husband and father are not good enough reasons to vote for him.
His qualifications as a problem solver, decision maker, and ethical leader do though. Do I think he will govern as a “pro-life” President? 🤷

Do I think that he is qualified to get our nation out of the fiscal mess we are in? Probably more so than anyone that has been offered up for public consumption.
 
I will give Romney what I gave Obama…5 Executive decisions. If there is nothing in those decisions that tell me Gov. Romney is serious in truly “Restoring America” then it’s off to some other country for me. I hope Romney has “changed” as many pro-Romney supporters claim, but I’m not as optimistic, however if good Tea Partiers are there to hold Romney’s feet to the fire (which they failed to do with Bush) then perhaps there is hope.

I agree with you Ishii, if nothing is done seriously this time around to undo the damage done by Roe v. Wade then the GOP can no longer claim they are the pro-life party…but then again the Democrats still claim they are the middle-class party. 🤷
The Tea Party couldn’t hold Bush’s feet to the fire. It started in reaction to Bush’s TARP program. By then, it was too late to hold Bush’s feet to anything. I am just glad he has kept a low profile and is doing tremendous work for the poor in Africa.
 
The Tea Party couldn’t hold Bush’s feet to the fire. It started in reaction to Bush’s TARP program. By then, it was too late to hold Bush’s feet to anything. I am just glad he has kept a low profile and is doing tremendous work for the poor in Africa.
I meant to say proto-Tea Party aka Conservatives.

Look I really like George W Bush, that interview he did with Peter Robinson for UK was spectacular, and really an eye-opener considering I was a radical anti-Bush Liberal bigot for the 8 years of his Presidency. He really blew down the mythical doors of being “the dumb man from Texas” and I guess I couldn’t blame Bush anymore now than I did…Bush didn’t have Congress in 2007-2009 and from all the vile attacks on him he just simply couldn’t put up a fight anymore.

However he really has done more for Africa than any other President and has really done a lot to help fight AIDS in Africa…I really hope history is fair to Bush and if not, I hope a Reagan would come along and absolve him as Reagan did for Calvin Coolidge. 🙂
 
Putting our faith in “princes” is a ticket to disappointment. I shake my head in wonder at those who disparage all those running or elected for their lack of perfection, assuming that their failed candidate could have “made the oceans retreat and heal the planet.”
How is putting one’s faith in a “prince” any different than putting one’ faith in a political party? I think the GOP are using the pro-life movement for votes. On economic and application of war issues, the GOP are not any closer to catholic teaching than the democrats… perhaps even less so. I think the cheerleading at these conventions even more disturbing. They are behaving as if the GOP are a sports team.
 
Obama’s talking about the oceans and the planet, Lisa, was a reference to climate change, which I realize you don’t believe exists, contrary to most (not all) reputable scientists. Romney used the same reference in his speech and it got a lot of applause, reinforcing the notion that the RNC is not the most scientifically- or environmentally-attuned group of people. If our planet does not survive, we won’t need to discuss or be concerned about the abortion issue or the economy anymore.
Yes how dare they question Big $cience.
 
Gop voters at all time high
by Rasmussen, more voters identify themselves as Republican than ever in the last 8 years. More importantly, by a 4 point margin, more voters identify as GOP than Democrat. This is the largest spread between the parties ever. Worse for Democrats, the number of voters who identify with their party is also approaching an historic low.

In August, 37.6% of voters identified themselves as Republican. That is up from 34.9% in July. By contrast, just 33.3% of voters identify themselves as Democrats. That is very near their historic low in February, when 32.4% of voters identified as Democrat. The 4.3 margin in favor of the GOP is the biggest gap ever between the parties. In November 2010, when the GOP won a landslide in the mid-term elections, their advantage was just 1.3 points.

Immediately prior to Obama’s inauguration, the Democrat party held a nearly 9 point edge over Republicans. Over 41% of voters called themselves Democrats then, compared to around 32% who were Republicans. It is a stunning reversal as Obama heads into reelection.

The last time GOP was close to this level was September 2004. President Bush went on to win reelection two months later, with an electorate that was evenly split. Even then, more voters called themselves Democrats then, but the party’s advantage over the GOP was just over 1 point.

Most of the polls this year are based on the assumption that the Democrats will have a numerical advantage on election day. Many media polls assume even that the electorate in November will be more Democrat than it was in 2008. Based on these results, that event is close to mathematically impossible.

If the GOP advantage holds through November, it is likely that the electorate will be evenly split, like it was in 2004 or possibly have a Republican edge. If that is the case, then current media polling is way off-base. Democrats and the media may wake up in shock on November 7th.

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/01/gop-voters-at-all-time-high
 
The more I think about it, the more I think Clint Eastwood’s speech was brilliant: he was talking to Obama who was represented by an empty chair. All kinds of metaphors there - Obama’s empty promises, Obama is an empty suit, etc. Again, brilliant speech by a movie legend.

oceanstatecurrent.com/opinion/the-brilliance-of-clints-empty-chair/

Ishii
Yeah, but he was also talking to the interventionists in the GOP in his discussions of Afghanistan and Iraq. He also went after the entire political charade - in the middle of the GOP convention. The more I replay his speech the more brilliant and gutsy it becomes.
 
Yeah, but he was also talking to the interventionists in the GOP in his discussions of Afghanistan and Iraq. He also went after the entire political charade - in the middle of the GOP convention. The more I replay his speech the more brilliant and gutsy it becomes.
I noticed that - he criticized Obama for reneging on pulling out of Afghanistan.

We finally agree on something.

Ishii
 
Yeah, but he was also talking to the interventionists in the GOP in his discussions of Afghanistan and Iraq. He also went after the entire political charade - in the middle of the GOP convention. The more I replay his speech the more brilliant and gutsy it becomes.
Right, like not checking the history of Afganistan before starting a 11 year war there.
 
The more I replay his speech the more brilliant and gutsy it becomes.
I agree, but the delivery made it very difficult to gather those gems. Regardless, I still love Clint.

John
 
Yes how dare they question Big $cience.
So much in our society is permeated and corrupted by money and politics, and science and scientists are certainly not immune. Nonetheless, I don’t think it’s such a good idea to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the findings on climate change.
 
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