Republican hopefuls in TV debate

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If you end up with a Romney vs Obama race, the only really “wasted vote” is the one cast for either of them because they are 2 sides of the same corrupted coin.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m not hoping Romney gets the nomination though, I hope he doesn’t. I’d love to see someone whose different, not more of the same. But if Romney get it’s, I’ll just hold my nose and do what I have to do and hope that Romney has more common sense than Obama. If he’s got any at all, he’s already ahead.
 
I couldn’t agree more. I’m not hoping Romney gets the nomination though, I hope he doesn’t. I’d love to see someone whose different, not more of the same. But if Romney get it’s, I’ll just hold my nose and do what I have to do and hope that Romney has more common sense than Obama. If he’s got any at all, he’s already ahead.
IMO (and yes my opinion means very little), I feel all Catholics should vote for Santorum. It won’t happen, it won’t even be close to happening–but imo, it should.
 
Perry’s platform is out of date. Enough of riding on the Reagan coat tails. Gingrich and Santorum are too polarizing. Paul had his chance. Unless someone else comes along, the race appears to be between Romney and Cain.
 
Perry’s platform is out of date. Enough of riding on the Reagan coat tails. Gingrich and Santorum are too polarizing. Paul had his chance. Unless someone else comes along, the race appears to be between Romney and Cain.
I agree, Santorum’s message, just like the message of Christ in the Catholic Church, is polarizing. Isn’t that what we need at this trying time (someone with a strong moral foundation built about Jesus’ truth)?

We Catholics can look across the candidate board and see a very strong Catholic man (Santorum), who is bound tightly to his family, to Jesus and to Jesus’ Church, and yet we ignore that and lean toward the non-Catholic and much more secular candidates. And, then when things do not improve, and when babies continue to die through abortion, and when marriage and the family grow weaker and weaker–we will wonder why!

Unity of life seems to mean very little to many Catholics today. There are 70,000,000 Catholics in this nation–we could easily usher in the next President, but we won’t stand behind our own faith and morals, so we will just get more of the same.

Sometimes I think Catholics don’t want to be seen as being “too Catholic.” College and the culture has made many desire a “Catholic lite.”

Santorum won’t win because he is a good man with the proper perspective and foundation for nearly every issue. It is a deeply sad reality that this nation so easily rejects good people.

Today, we are living in a culture that is becoming increasingly hostile toward the Catholic Church and toward Christianity in general. Isn’t a strong Catholic President the very antidote we need?

We should be writing blogs, and filling Twitter, and speaking with people we know about Rick Santorum. We should help raise his numbers so that at least he might become a viable VP candiate. Yet, sadly, with a nation filled with Catholics who enjoy a “lighter” faith, the odds of this happening are quite slim…but all things are possible with God and it only takes one person to start a new direction.

Support Santorum!
 
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Originally Posted by CMatt25
Pirate Talker, do you honestly think someone who was Barack Obama’s ambassador to China would be listened to by many of today’s 21st century Republican voters?

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When Rahm Emanuel helped make Jon Huntsman the Ambassador to China part of the plan was to keep him out of the 2012 race.

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/rahm-emanuel-jon-huntsman-ploy-didnt-follow-plan/
Barack and Rahm must not have foreseen the extreme “right” Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party.
 
Barack and Rahm must not have foreseen the extreme “right” Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party.
Hey, if the extreme left is going to rule the Democratic party, the only way to combat it is for the right to amp up their game.
 
Be careful what you ask for. When you abandon principle for efficiency and expediency, the results are dreadful.

I find the whole Romney nomination laughable. Remember 2008? Every blog, pundit, and conservative swore that they would not let “it” happen again. They would not nominate another democrat-light as they did with McCain. Next time there would be no compromise with the establishment and the pollyannish “system” folks. They would only get behind a real conservative and let the chips fall where they may.

Now it’s 2012 and where are all those folks? They’re buckling under the same tired and damning arguments from 2008. “What’s important is beating Obama. What’s important is choosing the most electable person. What’s important is not emphasizing social issues when economic issues can grab more progressive voters. As long as the Republican wins, we’ll all be great.”

Bush was horrific. Obama is horrific and will remain so. Romney is a hybrid of Bush and Obama. In fact, most of the candidates in the debate are all “system” folks. They backed Boehner when he raised the debt ceiling. They backed the bipartisan Bush/Obama bailouts. They backed the Patriot Act. They backed the new and incredibly wasteful cabinet position of Homeland Defense (I thought conservatives were about shrinking government). They backed the spending on foreign countries as opposed to here (half a zillion dollar embassy anyone?).

What happened to principle? What happened to finding someone that was really conservative? The establishment squashed that idea with it’s media influence and huge sums of money. Chris Christie was the answer? Really? Another Romney/Bush clone. No thanks.

It’s quite sad that so many buy into this game. The tea party is correct; there is a big problem with progressive government, spending, and its role in the nation. Leftists attacked the tea party. The wall street protesters are correct in their main point (not talking about the new hippies). Wall street and big business is crooked and essentially buy politicians who look out for only their interests. The bailouts were a great example. Fox News attacks the wall street protesters.

And if you mention moral issues, you are viewed as naive and unresponsive to the real problem: the economy. Christ and the Apostles (and the Old Testament) teach something different. Israel didn’t prosper because they had great economic policies. They prospered and fell based on their adherence to the moral law (God’s law). Our founders knew this too. The reason we have economic problems is because we made horrific choices. We made those horrific choices because of a philosophical and immoral mindset. Until you treat that, which includes morality and religion, you will never “fix” the economy.

If you end up with a Romney vs Obama race, the only really “wasted vote” is the one cast for either of them because they are 2 sides of the same corrupted coin.
This is a great post. Thanks for taking the time.
 
We should be writing blogs, and filling Twitter, and speaking with people we know about Rick Santorum. We should help raise his numbers so that at least he might become a viable VP candiate. Yet, sadly, with a nation filled with Catholics who enjoy a “lighter” faith, the odds of this happening are quite slim…but all things are possible with God and it only takes one person to start a new direction.

Support Santorum!
👍 I’ll take up the cause!
 
Hey, if the extreme left is going to rule the Democratic party, the only way to combat it is for the right to amp up their game.
I agree… the extreme left has become so extreme that they are alienating most democrats.

Their extreme words and extreme actions are turning off indp. too.

Obama being an extreme leftist will never win re election. The country is not extreme left.
 
Hey, if the extreme left is going to rule the Democratic party, the only way to combat it is for the right to amp up their game.
bbarrick, hardly does the extreme left rule the Democratic Party. Instead of “Obamacare” as ya’ll like to call it, if the extreme left ruled the Democratic Party, instead of it we would have single payer. But the extreme left couldn’t even get a public option. We actually have 2 major parties, an extreme conservative one and a more moderate one.
 
I agree, Santorum’s message, just like the message of Christ in the Catholic Church, is polarizing. Isn’t that what we need at this trying time (someone with a strong moral foundation built about Jesus’ truth)?

We Catholics can look across the candidate board and see a very strong Catholic man (Santorum), who is bound tightly to his family, to Jesus and to Jesus’ Church, and yet we ignore that and lean toward the non-Catholic and much more secular candidates. And, then when things do not improve, and when babies continue to die through abortion, and when marriage and the family grow weaker and weaker–we will wonder why!

Unity of life seems to mean very little to many Catholics today. There are 70,000,000 Catholics in this nation–we could easily usher in the next President, but we won’t stand behind our own faith and morals, so we will just get more of the same.

Sometimes I think Catholics don’t want to be seen as being “too Catholic.” College and the culture has made many desire a “Catholic lite.”

Santorum won’t win because he is a good man with the proper perspective and foundation for nearly every issue. It is a deeply sad reality that this nation so easily rejects good people.

Today, we are living in a culture that is becoming increasingly hostile toward the Catholic Church and toward Christianity in general. Isn’t a strong Catholic President the very antidote we need?

We should be writing blogs, and filling Twitter, and speaking with people we know about Rick Santorum. We should help raise his numbers so that at least he might become a viable VP candiate. Yet, sadly, with a nation filled with Catholics who enjoy a “lighter” faith, the odds of this happening are quite slim…but all things are possible with God and it only takes one person to start a new direction.

Support Santorum!
My observation is that the less a candidate says about specifics of issue, then the more electable he is. Santorum is outspoken. Perhaps the last outspoken candidate we have had was Ronald Reagan, but he had a sense of humor and a soft delivery which Santorum lacks. He also knew when to keep his mouth shut. Santorum does not. He lacks the self editing capabilities expected of a world leader.

My armchair opinion is that the press loves controversy, and they will play up the most controversial statements rather than report a balanced view. The country is divided almost exactly 50% in opinion. The successful candidate must not alienate the 49% base for his platform, and then must find that extra 2% margin to gain the victory. I don’t know what the message is that does that in this election.
 
My observation is that the less a candidate says about specifics of issue, then the more electable he is. Santorum is outspoken. Perhaps the last outspoken candidate we have had was Ronald Reagan, but he had a sense of humor and a soft delivery which Santorum lacks. He also knew when to keep his mouth shut. Santorum does not. He lacks the self editing capabilities expected of a world leader.

My armchair opinion is that the press loves controversy, and they will play up the most controversial statements rather than report a balanced view. The country is divided almost exactly 50% in opinion. The successful candidate must not alienate the 49% base for his platform, and then must find that extra 2% margin to gain the victory. I don’t know what the message is that does that in this election.
WE Catholics can shift this debate toward Santorum–we just have to have the will to do so. If desire a good man, with sound ethics and morals, then Santorum is the best one available. I like the fact that Santorum speaks his mind–Jesus told us to let our yes be yes, and our no be no.

There are 70,000,000 Catholics in this coountry–we can easily draw attention to Santorum and he could easily be the VP choice (if not the actual Presidential nominees) if we have the the courage of our own convictions.

We cannot say we believe “X” and then ignore the person who will try to give us “X,” there is no unity of life in that.

People on the right are trying to find someone to support–well take a chance on Santorum. Is Romney really the best we have (Mr. Democrat lite)? Is a newbie like Cain the best choice for the Presidency during a time of such intense turmoil? Can’t we do better than those two? I say Santorum stands waaay above the field and he is electable if Catholics stand behind him!
 
bbarrick, hardly does the extreme left rule the Democratic Party. Instead of “Obamacare” as ya’ll like to call it, if the extreme left ruled the Democratic Party, instead of it we would have single payer. But the extreme left couldn’t even get a public option. We actually have 2 major parties, an extreme conservative one and a more moderate one.
Who is the moderate in the democrat party?

Nancy Pelosi… she was the speaker…chosen by democrats and chosen again to be minority leader.
uh…

Perhaps Maxine Waters? Harry Reid? Jesse Jackson Jr? James Clyburn? Barney Frank? Chris Dodd? Charles Schummer? Patty Murray?
Oh I know… maybe its Dennis Kuchinich?

Where is this moderate party? I cant seem to locate it.
 
Barack and Rahm must not have foreseen the extreme “right” Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party.
If you think that the Tea Party agenda of responsible government is “extreme right”, I shutter to think what you consider the normal function of government.
 
I agree, Santorum’s message, just like the message of Christ in the Catholic Church, is polarizing. Isn’t that what we need at this trying time (someone with a strong moral foundation built about Jesus’ truth)?

We Catholics can look across the candidate board and see a very strong Catholic man (Santorum), who is bound tightly to his family, to Jesus and to Jesus’ Church, and yet we ignore that and lean toward the non-Catholic and much more secular candidates. And, then when things do not improve, and when babies continue to die through abortion, and when marriage and the family grow weaker and weaker–we will wonder why!

Unity of life seems to mean very little to many Catholics today. There are 70,000,000 Catholics in this nation–we could easily usher in the next President, but we won’t stand behind our own faith and morals, so we will just get more of the same.

Sometimes I think Catholics don’t want to be seen as being “too Catholic.” College and the culture has made many desire a “Catholic lite.”

Santorum won’t win because he is a good man with the proper perspective and foundation for nearly every issue. It is a deeply sad reality that this nation so easily rejects good people.

Today, we are living in a culture that is becoming increasingly hostile toward the Catholic Church and toward Christianity in general. Isn’t a strong Catholic President the very antidote we need?

We should be writing blogs, and filling Twitter, and speaking with people we know about Rick Santorum. We should help raise his numbers so that at least he might become a viable VP candiate. Yet, sadly, with a nation filled with Catholics who enjoy a “lighter” faith, the odds of this happening are quite slim…but all things are possible with God and it only takes one person to start a new direction.

Support Santorum!
IrishPatrick, a lot of what you say is true here - I have always admired Santorum, and will never forget how he reduced Barbara Boxer to a babbling idiot on the senate floor in a debate on partial birth abortion. However, I think the problem is not that we are not going on twitter or facebook and talking up the Santorum candidacy, the problem is that too many catholics aren’t serious about their faith. I live in a region where catholics not only don’t get enthusiastically behind the great catholic (or similar) candidate, they actually support the pro-abortion Democrat! The problem with the 70 million catholics goes deeper than one of mere “mobilization” of the catholic vote. I think much of the problem can be attributed to lack of leadership and education on th epart of the bishops and catholic schools. Also materialism and relativism of our culture has sucked in a lot of catholics. The bottom line: you wouldn’t get many catholics on the west coast to support santorum because he has an “R” next to his name. In Washington, we had a good catholic gubernatorial candidate - Dino Rossi, up against a pro-abortion catholic (!!) candidate. Guess who won, and with the votes of many catholics? Guess who was invited to an archdiocese event to speak? Yes, the pro-abortion governor. Its very frustrating. I think the leadership in the CAtholic church has, by many of their decisions, added to the confusion. Also, remember, there are good catholics who also support other good candidates for valid reasons - Cain, Perry or even Romney.

Ishii
 
If you think that the Tea Party agenda of responsible government is “extreme right”, I shutter to think what you consider the normal function of government.
Calling the Tea Party “extreme right” is just a tactic to demonize them. Liberals love demonizing their enemies. The Tea Party is just regular folks who are concerned about government spending, the economy, etc. I had a conversation with a liberal yesterday who was saying the same thing: that the Tea Party is admirable for raising the issue of government spending.

Ishii
 
If you think that the Tea Party agenda of responsible government is “extreme right”, I shutter to think what you consider the normal function of government.
The normal function of government is to supplant all private charity and provide cradle to grave welfare for all. Housing, a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, a free liberal arts college education for every protester, a laptop in every desk. In the world of leftism, the government replaces the Church. And many otherwise well-intentioned christian folks buy into it because they think this ideology will “help the poor”.

Ishii
 
WE Catholics can shift this debate toward Santorum–we just have to have the will to do so. If desire a good man, with sound ethics and morals, then Santorum is the best one available. I like the fact that Santorum speaks his mind–Jesus told us to let our yes be yes, and our no be no.

There are 70,000,000 Catholics in this coountry–we can easily draw attention to Santorum and he could easily be the VP choice (if not the actual Presidential nominees) if we have the the courage of our own convictions.

We cannot say we believe “X” and then ignore the person who will try to give us “X,” there is no unity of life in that.

People on the right are trying to find someone to support–well take a chance on Santorum. Is Romney really the best we have (Mr. Democrat lite)? Is a newbie like Cain the best choice for the Presidency during a time of such intense turmoil? Can’t we do better than those two? I say Santorum stands waaay above the field and he is electable if Catholics stand behind him!
You bring up an interesting point. I have looked at a few polls, and I have no idea how many US Catholics accept the doctrine of the religion. The highest poll percentage I have seen is that 78% reject the Church’s teachings in areas of contraception, in particular. Then there are other polls with lower numbers. I wonder what the real number is?
 
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