Republican Primaries

[meltzerboy]

I think such a view avoids the fact that in many ways we are a divided country - between those who prefer the liberal way of doing things and those who prefer a more conservative approach -atleast on many of the issues. To imply that you prefer having a president who will “get things done” begs the question, “get’s *what *things done?” And of course the idea that four years of GOP rule will somehow undo all of the things that Obama did is unfair (and I sense you’re being somewhat sarcastic). How is the GOP supposed to undo the two supreme court picks of Obama without any vacancies? How is the GOP supposed to keep social security and medicare from going bankrupt, balance the budget and solve the problems that have been decades in the making? I believe that they can repeal Obama care and that alone would be a huge victory and a good thing. Perhaps at best they (and any common sense Democrats if they’re out there) can put America on the path toward the reform that this country needs - fiscal responsibility, a more realistic foreign policy and moral renewal and a turning away from the entitlement mentality that says “the government exists to make my life easier.” Unfortunately that mentality exists among those who call themselves conservatives as well as liberals.

Ishii

I guess who we really need as a candidate is an economic conservative, unlike another George W. Bush, who was a social conservative and a big spender. And, moreover, an economic conservative who does not simply eliminate programs vital to the poor and middle class; but instead is able to restructure such programs, preferably without excessive privatization, while also eliminating those bureaucratic agencies which are truly wasteful; and can do all of this without raising taxes. At the same time, we need someone who has good innovative ideas for job creation and growth. Personally, I would also prefer a candidate who is not too socially conservative. And, in addition, one who has a decent foreign policy. In other words, we need the Wizard of Oz.

 

[_Abyssinia]

He got us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and closedGitmo his enlightened social programs led to a 1,000 per cent decrease in abortion and cheap health care for all his brilliant economic programs led to an elimination of the deficit and recor low unemployment rates and record high home ownership At least that is what Catholic Democrsts claimed would happen when they voted for him. One wonders what their excuse will be this time around

I just switched on CNN and actress Charlize Theron was saying Obama still has the potential to be a great president or something, he’s had three years to do something with what he’s been given, he hasn’t been in office for a day, or a week, or a month.

 

[ishii]

I just switched on CNN and actress Charlize Theron was saying Obama still has the potential to be a great president or something, he’s had three years to do something with what he’s been given, he hasn’t been in office for a day, or a week, or a month.

Charlize Theron definitely comes to mind in any discussion of public policy experts worth listening to.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

I guess who we really need as a candidate is an economic conservative, unlike another George W. Bush, who was a social conservative and a big spender. And, moreover, an economic conservative who does not simply eliminate programs vital to the poor and middle class; but instead is able to restructure such programs, preferably without excessive privatization, while also eliminating those bureaucratic agencies which are truly wasteful; and can do all of this without raising taxes. At the same time, we need someone who has good innovative ideas for job creation and growth. Personally, I would also prefer a candidate who is not too socially conservative. And, in addition, one who has a decent foreign policy. In other words, we need the Wizard of Oz.

I think based on what you said, the closest you could come is Romney.

Ishii

 

[meltzerboy]

I think based on what you said, the closest you could come is Romney.

Ishii

And Romney, along with Paul, are the only two Republican candidates so far I would even consider voting for. That is, if I vote for a Republican, which would be a first for me. Bachmann (and her ultra-conservative husband: a psychologist yet!) is just too socially reactionary for me although I’m beginning to think she is a qualified candidate regarding her other policies.

 

[mary_bobo]

I’d agree with you that he hasn’t proven himself to be a good president, and that suspicion on my part was why I didn’t vote for him last time. But, yes, his chief virtue in my book now is that he’s not a Republican.

Again, with all due respect, is that any kind of answer? Or are you saying that no republican could possibly measure up in your mind? Is that really an answer or ?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Again, with all due respect, is that any kind of answer? Or are you saying that no republican could possibly measure up in your mind? Is that really an answer or ?

I don 't vote Republican - ever - but, if one does win the nomination and goes on to win the Presidency, I’d rather see a moderate conservative than a right-winger take the office.

I know that some on this Forum wouldn’t ever vote Democratic in the next election, so it’s not as though I were being exceptionally partisan from my side.

 

[ishii]

I don 't vote Republican - ever - .

Abortion will only end when Democrat catholics learn to hate abortion more than they hate the Republican party.

Ishii

 

[estesbob]

Again, with all due respect, is that any kind of answer? Or are you saying that no republican could possibly measure up in your mind? Is that really an answer or ?

Abortions will remain legal in this country until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate GOP.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

With all due respect, Rich, what has the president done that makes you think he deserves a second term, other than not being a Republican?

What else is there?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I don 't vote Republican - ever - but, if one does win the nomination and goes on to win the Presidency, I’d rather see a moderate conservative than a right-winger take the office.

I know that some on this Forum wouldn’t ever vote Democratic in the next election, so it’s not as though I were being exceptionally partisan from my side.

Seeing how securely bound to the Culture of Death the Democrat Party is, I could never in good conscience vote for one. I find the GOP barely tolerable. I find the DNC the “Tyranny Fast” Party and the GOP the “Tyranny Slow” party. Two side of the same coin on most issues. Control Control Control. Tyranny of the Duopoly.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Seeing how securely bound to the Culture of Death the Democrat Party is, I could never in good conscience vote for one. I find the GOP barely tolerable. I find the DNC the “Tyranny Fast” Party and the GOP the “Tyranny Slow” party. Two side of the same coin on most issues. Control Control Control. Tyranny of the Duopoly.

You are, in my opinion, one of the few who has an independent mind, rejecting the Dems (alas), but not sucking up to the Republicans as the default position too many here would demand of us.

 

[valentino]

I just can’t see Bachman winning in a debate with Obama.i heard hear speak and she says good things but that’s different than a debate.Does she have thoughrow knowledge of the office of president and the varied issues.She very staunch in her conservative ideals but im afraid that might be to limited.Is she really presidential material or better suited for a cabinet position perhaps?

 

[estesbob]

I just can’t see Bachman winning in a debate with Obama.i heard hear speak and she says good things but that’s different than a debate.Does she have thoughrow knowledge of the office of president and the varied issues.She very staunch in her conservative ideals but im afraid that might be to limited.Is she really presidential material or better suited for a cabinet position perhaps?

VP

 

[Raskolnikov]

I have to ask everyone, why use that Golda Meir quote? I dislike the original Meir quote. Why not Seneca or Shakespeare, plenty of suitable and relevant ones from them. That’s what wikiquote.org is for.

 

[ishii]

You are, in my opinion, one of the few who has an independent mind, rejecting the Dems (alas), but not sucking up to the Republicans as the default position too many here would demand of us.

That is a misrepresentation of what many posters are saying, imo. You can suck up to the GOP or not. What you can’t do as a good Catholic is vote for a pro-abortion candidate- which is what Obama and 90% of the national Democrat party is. Hate the GOP if you want. Plug your nose while voting for them (as many do), but don’t give me this nonsense that the Democrat party with its abortion on demand politics is in any way worthy of a vote from a Catholic - its not.

Ishii

 

[jomoco]

That is a misrepresentation of what many posters are saying, imo. You can suck up to the GOP or not. What you can’t do as a good Catholic is vote for a pro-abortion candidate- which is what Obama and 90% of the national Democrat party is. Hate the GOP if you want. Plug your nose while voting for them (as many do), but don’t give me this nonsense that the Democrat party with its abortion on demand politics is in any way worthy of a vote from a Catholic - its not.

Ishii

There is a fundamental falsehood being perpetrated by each poster that labels those in the democratic party, or any other party, as pro-abortion. It’s a very fundamental lie in that the truth is they’re pro-choice, respectful of a woman’s right to freewill, and trustful of God to exact any due vengeance, over their own flawed mortal selves.

One might justifiably accuse the perpetrators of these false labels being posted of sorely lacking faith in God’s ability to exact vengeance, much preferring their own right to judge what a woman’s freewill rights consist of compared to a man’s?

Why are you so sure your judgements should supercede God’s promise to exact vengeance Himself?

Who’s broken your leg that you take judgement out of God’s just Hands, and into your flawed trembling hands?

Where comes your flawed right over a woman’s body, or freewill to sin or not with it as she pleases, just like a flawed man?

jomoco

 

[jam070406]

There is a fundamental falsehood being perpetrated by each poster that labels those in the democratic party, or any other party, as pro-abortion. It’s a very fundamental lie in that the truth is they’re pro-choice, respectful of a woman’s right to freewill, and trustful of God to exact any due vengeance, over their own flawed mortal selves.

One might justifiably accuse the perpetrators of these false labels being posted of sorely lacking faith in God’s ability to exact vengeance, much preferring their own right to judge what a woman’s freewill rights consist of compared to a man’s?

Why are you so sure your judgements should supercede God’s promise to exact vengeance Himself?

Who’s broken your leg that you take judgement out of God’s just Hands, and into your flawed trembling hands?

Where comes your flawed right over a woman’s body, or freewill to sin or not with it as she pleases, just like a flawed man?

jomoco

Thou shall not kill.

 

[Raskolnikov]

jomoco:

There is a fundamental falsehood being perpetrated by each poster that labels those in the democratic party, or any other party, as pro-abortion. It’s a very fundamental lie in that the truth is they’re pro-
choice, respectful of a woman’s right to freewill, and trustful of God to exact any due vengeance, over their own flawed mortal selves.

One might justifiably accuse the perpetrators of these false labels being posted of sorely lacking faith in God’s ability to exact vengeance, much preferring their own right to judge what a woman’s freewill rights consist of compared to a man’s?

Why are you so sure your judgements should supercede God’s promise to exact vengeance Himself?

Do you realize that you’re the only one talking about vengeance?

 

[jomoco]

Thou shall not kill.

Man can and does commit the mortal sin of murder daily when he exercises his freewill right to murder “terrorists” in their own sovereign countries, at the behest of the state/govt, that may or may not have justification to murder them.

And yet the man who exercises his freewill choice to murder or not, is all too often praised for exercising his right by both state and church. These men are considered heroes by some, yet women exercising their freewill rights, over their own body’s?

The disparity is all too glaring viewed objectively.

jomoco