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swampland.time.com/2011/07/05/behind-the-scenes-christian-right-leaders-rally-behind-rick-perry/

Behind the Scenes, Christian Right Leaders Rally Behind Rick Perry

*In early June, TIME has learned, a group of prominent figures on the Christian Right held a conference call to discuss their dissatisfaction with the current GOP presidential field, and agreed that Rick Perry would be their preferred candidate if he entered the race. Among those on the call were Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council; David Barton, the Texas activist and go-to historian for the Christian Right; and John Hagee, the controversial San Antonio pastor whose endorsement John McCain rejected in 2008.

So, come on down, Rick Perry! He may be the favorite by default, but the Texas governor is also a terrific match for the Christian Right. Sarah Posner of Religion Dispatches recently outlined Perry’s social conservative bona fides and they’re impressive:
Signed a gay marriage ban into law at a Christian school in Fort Worth with evangelical heavyweights Tony Perkins (Family Research Council), Rod Parsley (Ohio mega-church pastor), and Don Wildmon (American Family Association) in attendance
The Sunday before his 2006 re-election, Perry attended Cornerstone Church and sat by the side of controversial pastor John Hagee (in 2008, John McCain had to reject Hagee’s endorsement after critics pointed out the pastor’s many extreme statements, including calling the Catholic Church “the whore of Babylon”)
Supported and was a primary beneficiary of the Texas Restoration Project, an effort to increase the electoral involvement of conservative pastors

All of this, however, pales beside Perry’s current project–a Christian all-day prayer event called “The Response” on August 6 in Houston. The governor is sponsoring the event along with the American Family Association, which is footing the estimated $1.5 million tab for the gathering. The Response is intended for Christians only, although one spokesman said that if people of other faiths attend, he hopes they will see the light and “seek out the living Christ” for their lives.*
 
jomoco said:
Man can and does commit the mortal sin of murder daily when he exercises his freewill right to murder “terrorists” in their own sovereign countries, at the behest of the state/govt, that may or may not have justification to murder them.

And yet the man who exercises his freewill choice to murder or not, is all too often praised for exercising his right by both state and church. These men are considered heroes by some, yet women exercising their freewill rights, over their own body’s?

The disparity is all too glaring viewed objectively.

jomoco
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And what of the person inside the womb that is denied his or her rights?
 
jomoco said:
Man can and does commit the mortal sin of murder daily when he exercises his freewill right to murder “terrorists” in their own sovereign countries, at the behest of the state/govt, that may or may not have justification to murder them.

And yet the man who exercises his freewill choice to murder or not, is all too often praised for exercising his right by both state and church. These men are considered heroes by some, yet women exercising their freewill rights, over their own body’s?

The disparity is all too glaring viewed objectively.

jomoco
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They are not exercising free will over their own bodies, they are exercising will over someone else’s body.

So, reading through your posts, we should all just adopt a “let everyone kill everyone, God will sort 'em out” attitude, eh?
 
jomoco said:
Man can and does commit the mortal sin of murder daily when he exercises his freewill right to murder “terrorists” in their own sovereign countries, at the behest of the state/govt, that may or may not have justification to murder them.

And yet the man who exercises his freewill choice to murder or not, is all too often praised for exercising his right by both state and church. These men are considered heroes by some, yet women exercising their freewill rights, over their own body’s?

The disparity is all too glaring viewed objectively.

jomoco
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So killing ones enemy is like killing ones own child?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
They are not exercising free will over their own bodies, they are exercising will over someone else’s body.

So, reading through your posts, we should all just adopt a “let everyone kill everyone, God will sort 'em out” attitude, eh?
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No, I’m suggesting we all choose not to kill of our own freewill, and firmly held belief that we obey both God and His commandments to our benefit.

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
No, I’m suggesting we all choose not to kill of our own freewill, and firmly held belief that we obey both God and His commandments to our benefit.

jomoco
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Sounded more like you were justifying voting for a pro abortion candidate, under the guise of “choice”.
 
ishii said:
That is a misrepresentation of what many posters are saying, imo. You can suck up to the GOP or not. What you can’t do as a good Catholic is vote for a pro-abortion candidate- which is what Obama and 90% of the national Democrat party is. Hate the GOP if you want. Plug your nose while voting for them (as many do), but don’t give me this nonsense that the Democrat party with its abortion on demand politics is in any way worthy of a vote from a Catholic - its not.

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Bravo ishii Couldn’t have said it bettter myself!!:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
jomoco said:
Free pass into heaven and life eternal.

jomoco
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Where is that in the Gospel? A child, murdered in utero, without access to baptism, is given a free pass into heaven? It sure sounds nice, but it doesn’t jive with what the Church teaches. You make it sound like the Democrat position of abortion on demand is that humane, Christian thing to do. Lets just kill everyone before they have a chance to sin so they can go to heaven! Great idea! In fact, we can have Easter Day martyrdoms! As soon as the catechists are received into the church and complete their baptisms, we just kill them so they can go straight to heaven! Wow, that is an awesome philosophy.
 
JMJSHJ said:
How is it vengeful to want to protect all human life? I find it appalling that pro-abortion people lecture us about morality.
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I gather you deny God gave Adam and Eve the right to exercise their freewill equally?

Did they not both sin together equally?

Who are you to take away what God has granted to both men and women equally, since Eden?

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
I gather you deny God gave Adam and Eve the right to exercise their freewill equally?

Did they not both sin together equally?

Who are you to take away what God has granted to both men and women equally, since Eden?

jomoco
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Your religion merely says “christian”. What church affiliation do you belong to?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Where is that in the Gospel? A child, murdered in utero, without access to baptism, is given a free pass into heaven? It sure sounds nice, but it doesn’t jive with what the Church teaches. You make it sound like the Democrat position of abortion on demand is that humane, Christian thing to do. Lets just kill everyone before they have a chance to sin so they can go to heaven! Great idea! In fact, we can have Easter Day martyrdoms! As soon as the catechists are received into the church and complete their baptisms, we just kill them so they can go straight to heaven! Wow, that is an awesome philosophy.
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I think there is a significant gap between your conclusion and what jomoco is trying to say. Here’s a relevant passage from the CCC.

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
 
jam070406 said:
Your religion merely says “christian”. What church affiliation do you belong to?
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The objective reality affiliate branch of this huge tree whose roots go way back.

I hear tell there are many realists throughout the world, seeking to find truth, and meaning in life daily.

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
There is a fundamental falsehood being perpetrated by each poster that labels those in the democratic party, or any other party, as pro-abortion. It’s a very fundamental lie in that the truth is they’re pro-choice, respectful of a woman’s right to freewill, and trustful of God to exact any due vengeance, over their own flawed mortal selves.
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The Democratic Party platform calls for unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand . . The current Democrat president of the United States campaigned on allowing unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. . I don’t know why you would claim the Democrat party is not pro-abortion when they themselves make no secret of it.
One might justifiably accuse the perpetrators of these false labels being posted of sorely lacking faith in God’s ability to exact vengeance, much preferring their own right to judge what a woman’s freewill rights consist of compared to a man’s?

Why are you so sure your judgements should supercede God’s promise to exact vengeance Himself?
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. Since nobody is perpetuating false labels I don’t see that there’s an issue here. again why would you claim the Democrat party does not support unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand when they make it clear they do?

The idea that we can support pro-abortion candidates because God will get them in the end is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever come across.
.Where comes your flawed right over a woman’s body, or freewill to sin or not with it as she pleases, just like a flawed man?
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Abortion has absolutely nothing to do with the woman’s right over her body
 
jomoco said:
The objective reality affiliate branch of this huge tree whose roots go way back.

I hear tell there are many realists throughout the world, seeking to find truth, and meaning in life daily.

jomoco
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Could you be alittle more specific? 🤷
 
estesbob said:
The Democratic Party platform calls for unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand . . The current Democrat president of the United States campaigned on allowing unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. . I don’t know why you would claim the Democrat party is not pro-abortion when they themselves make no secret of it.

. Since nobody is perpetuating false labels I don’t see that there’s an issue here. again why would you claim the Democrat party does not support unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand when they make it clear they do?

The idea that we can support pro-abortion candidates because God will get them in the end is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever come across.

Abortion has absolutely nothing to do with the woman’s right over her body
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It has everything to do with an individual’s freewill choice to sin, and be judged for their sins by God, rather than men who commit the same crime, under “special” circumstances.

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
There is a fundamental falsehood being perpetrated by each poster that labels those in the democratic party, or any other party, as pro-abortion. It’s a very fundamental lie in that the truth is they’re pro-choice, respectful of a woman’s right to freewill, and trustful of God to exact any due vengeance, over their own flawed mortal selves.

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jomoco, check out this statement by the USCCB:

“Most Americans believe that abortion should be illegal except in certain limited circumstances; an overwhelming majority agrees that unmarried minors should not obtain abortions without parental knowledge or consent. Nonetheless, ***pro-abortion ***or so-called “pro-choice” groups have mounted a campaign to convince legislators and others that Americans want abortion on demand.”

Notice how they refer to pro-choice groups as “pro-abortion.”

And so do I - rightly.

usccb.org/prolife/tdocs/resabort89.shtml

Ishii
 
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