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Fair point but nominating SCOTUS justices is another matter. You don’t know how they will turn out. After all, it was Nixon’s SCOTUS which made Roe-Wade the law of the land. And even Bush, the supposedly pro-life president, nominated “moderate” Harriet Miers, who fortunately later withdrew her name for consideration. Whereas JFK nominated one of the dissenters of the Roe-Wade decision. But Nixon’s court did the damage. Then one doesn’t know if the movement would have had any impetus had Reagan not signed the pro-abortion bill while he was governor of California in 1967.
Very good points. And a warning to anyone who expects their favored politicians to act in accord with the public personalities they create for their campaigns. Also perhaps an argument for making the supreme court justices elected officials, though the founders of course made it as it is because they feared the whims of the masses as much as the power hunger of the statesman.
 
You all really need to read on the Warren Court…no president can control a justice once appointed…they are there for life.

John
“You all?” What did my post have to do with justices? Come to think of it, none of the posts you quoted mentioned the Supreme Court. 🤷
 
Fair point but nominating SCOTUS justices is another matter. You don’t know how they will turn out. After all, it was Nixon’s SCOTUS which made Roe-Wade the law of the land. And even Bush, the supposedly pro-life president, nominated “moderate” Harriet Miers, who fortunately later withdrew her name for consideration. Whereas JFK nominated one of the dissenters of the Roe-Wade decision. But Nixon’s court did the damage. Then one doesn’t know if the movement would have had any impetus had Reagan not signed the pro-abortion bill while he was governor of California in 1967.
That’s true, you never know what kind of justice you’ll get - unless they’re nominated by the modern Democrat party, in which case you know you’ll get a bona fide pro-Roe V Wade vote. But, I think you are making the mistake of a previous poster. And that mistake is to conflate the supreme court justices appointed before abortion became a national issue (i.e. before Roe V Wade) with those who were appointed after. Nominating and approving justices is a messy process with no guarentees. Just ask Robert Bork. Also ask John Sununu - who thought David Souter was the perfect “stealth” nominee, nominated because he did not have a paper trail like Bork did. He was supposed to have been a good constructionist justice. But there are no guarentees. People are not robots - Souter ended up being a liberal justice as if he came from a Democrat president. But we need to consider the history when arguing about these things: JFK nominated Byron White - an anti-Roe V Wade vote, before abortion became an issue. **Before the Democrat party became an arm of the abortion lobby. ** Harriet Myers was an unfortunate pick by Bush. But do you think she would have been replaced if there hadn’t been a Republican controlled Senate at the time? We need a Republican senate to keep the president on task: Consider that Scalia, Alito and Roberts all were nominated and approved while the Senate was in GOP hands. And I don’t think I need to ask what kind of nominee we would have gotten from Gore. If you think Harriet Myers was a disappointment…
Very good points. And a warning to anyone who expects their favored politicians to act in accord with the public personalities they create for their campaigns. Also perhaps an argument for making the supreme court justices elected officials, though the founders of course made it as it is because they feared the whims of the masses as much as the power hunger of the statesman.
There has to be a balance of powers. I suspect that the founding fathers were right. Rather than have elected supreme court justices, we need to elect good people to nominate and approve them. We need to consider the judicial philosophy of our Senate candidates and our presidential candidates more than we do now. The judicial issues get drowned out by the soundbites of the latest attack ad or debate line. There really is no substantive discussion of judicial philosophies in the campaign and our republic suffers as a result.

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If you have to make up words like “anti-anti-Obama” your argument is weak. In this case it just begs the question of whether a third party vote is a vote for Obama. There are some Republican candidates (one in particular) I do not think I will vote for. In that case, a vote for a third party is a vote taken from the Obama column (as well as the Republican column).
What we want is for LIBERALS to vote for a third-party candidate.

NOT for a Conservative voter to vote for a third-party candidate.
 
What we want is for LIBERALS to vote for a third-party candidate.

NOT for a Conservative voter to vote for a third-party candidate.
Therein lies the problem.

The problem isn’t that we just have a 2 party system. It’s that we’ve allowed these two parties to have power over issues that are so important to us we dare not vote for anyone else. We have become beholden to the establishment, they know this and they can do whatever they want as long as they promote the cause for just one or two issues and they know they can count on those votes.

We eventually will be forced to get out of this rut we have gotten ourselves into, whether we like it or not.
 
Therein lies the problem.

The problem isn’t that we just have a 2 party system. It’s that we’ve allowed these two parties to have power over issues that are so important to us we dare not vote for anyone else. We have become beholden to the establishment, they know this and they can do whatever they want as long as they promote the cause for just one or two issues and they know they can count on those votes.

We eventually will be forced to get out of this rut we have gotten ourselves into, whether we like it or not.
It’s been this way since Madison … not going to change in the near future.

Unhappily, you have to fight with [or within] what you have got.

[Suggestion: visit www.booktv.org and look up Chris DeRose and his interview regarding “Founding Rivals: Madison versus Monroe”.
 
That’s true, you never know what kind of justice you’ll get - unless they’re nominated by the modern Democrat party, in which case you know you’ll get a bona fide pro-Roe V Wade vote.
Yet strangely enough, it took certain Democrat Senators to confirm the high-profile nomination of Clarence Thomas. And no doubt they did so at the risk to their political careers.

Point is that the Senate is part of the nomination process as well. I think that’s what you said as well.
There has to be a balance of powers. I suspect that the founding fathers were right. Rather than have elected supreme court justices, we need to elect good people to nominate and approve them. We need to consider the judicial philosophy of our Senate candidates and our presidential candidates more than we do now. The judicial issues get drowned out by the soundbites of the latest attack ad or debate line. There really is no substantive discussion of judicial philosophies in the campaign and our republic suffers as a result.
I agree. Where there is built-in balance of power between the executive and legislative branches, there doesn’t seem to be any possible way to overturn or repeal the Supreme Court’s rulings against the 10th Amendment, for example. Constitutional scholars seem to think Roe vs Wade was a clear matter for the states to decide not the federal government. But since California and New York provided the impetus, who was going to stand in their way?
 
Nate Silver: Gingrich now favorite to win Florida - New York Times

Gingrich now enjoys the support of 52% of Tea Party voters - Weekly Standard

Republicans focused on House and Senate races are growing anxious that former Speaker Newt Gingrich might win the GOP presidential nomination - Roll Call

“Democrats can’t believe their luck!” - Left-winger Markos Moulitsas is enjoying the GOP bloodbath - The Hill

Pelosi: I know something about Gingrich that ensures he’ll never be president - HotAir

What REALLY happened in the Gingrich ethics case - Washington Examiner

John McCain joins chorus who believe record-breaking number of debates is hurting GOP - USA Today

Democrats enjoy 11% lead over Republicans in a generic ballot question asked to registered voters - Hotline

Rubio defends Romney against Gingrich’s attacks - Politico

(I wonder if this a sign of Rubio being interested in being Romney’s VP).
 
When doesn’t Ralph Nader announce his candidacy? He has been perpetually running for President since the 1970s.
Yep. He’s even got Ron Paul beat, who has been perpetually running for President since the 1980s. According to Nader’s supporters, the only reason people don’t support him is because they are ignorant. 😉
 
Yep. He’s even got Ron Paul beat, who has been perpetually running for President since the 1980s. According to Nader’s supporters, the only reason people don’t support him is because they are ignorant. 😉
According to the GOP “establishment”, the only reason why people don’t vote for the annointed GOP candidate is because they are ignorant. 😉 😃
 
I don’t know, because when I think of a debate between Romney and Obama, the sound of crickets chirping comes to mind.

When I think of a Newt/Obama debate, I think of chips, beer, some hot wings on the grill. I’m worried about what Newt would actually do, I believe his conversion is a valid reason to give him at least a chance even though he’s not my primary choice.

I watched some of the clips between when Dr. Paul was talking to him in Tampa. Newt looked at Dr. Paul with respect and I appreciated that.
 
Romney gets Orlando Sentinel endorsement - CNN

Rove: Shut up with the negative attacks - The Hill

“There is much to admire in Barack Obama the man. But his presidency, especially on the domestic front, has been a bitter disappointment to almost everybody—perhaps above all to those who most desperately needed help from the government he led.” - David Frum at the Daily Beast

“If President Obama is really serious about restoring American economic dynamism, he needs an aggressive two-pronged approach: More economic freedom combined with more social structure; more competition combined with more support.” - David Brooks in the New York Times
 
Romney gets Orlando Sentinel endorsement - CNN

Rove: Shut up with the negative attacks - The Hill

“There is much to admire in Barack Obama the man. But his presidency, especially on the domestic front, has been a bitter disappointment to almost everybody—perhaps above all to those who most desperately needed help from the government he led.” - David Frum at the Daily Beast

“If President Obama is really serious about restoring American economic dynamism, he needs an aggressive two-pronged approach: More economic freedom combined with more social structure; more competition combined with more support.” - David Brooks in the New York Times
David Brooks, the self-described conservative…more social structure…more support. Same with David Frum…

The Davids are Democrats. I wish they would just wake up and smell the coffee.
 
I don’t know, because when I think of a debate between Romney and Obama, the sound of crickets chirping comes to mind.

When I think of a Newt/Obama debate, I think of chips, beer, some hot wings on the grill. I’m worried about what Newt would actually do, I believe his conversion is a valid reason to give him at least a chance even though he’s not my primary choice.

I watched some of the clips between when Dr. Paul was talking to him in Tampa. Newt looked at Dr. Paul with respect and I appreciated that.
That is similar to what journalists have said:

Voters instinctively prefer the idea of an entertaining Newt-Obama contest—the aspiring Caesar versus the failed Redeemer—over a dreary Mitt-Obama one - Bret Stephens in the Wall Street Journal

“Currently many conservatives are exercising not just their franchise but their imaginations. They picture a debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, and they yawn. They envision Gingrich going after the president, the media and the fundamental failures of liberalism — and their pulses race. But Republicans need to imagine just a little further — electing a president with no history of prudence.” - Mike Gerson in the Washington Post

“For whatever reason, Romney seems like a creature put on Earth to blend in with the humans and report back what he finds. He clearly likes earthlings, and they in turn find him pleasant enough, and surprisingly lifelike. Occasionally he finds the right words, but he rarely connects them to the right tone. This dearth of convincing passion in the front-runner makes the passionate base of the party want to look elsewhere — even to Newtzilla.” - LA Times
 
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