Republican Primary

[bbarrick8383]

The only RINO running is Ron Paul, the Libertarian.

Interesting, considering he’s never backed things like abortion, Romney/Obamacare and gun control.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Yes, they should. It’s a nebulous term that is used as a bogeyman. There isn’t a set group called the establishment that all think and vote the same way. Many politicians/media who would be considered part of the establishment (e.g. Gingrich) are the biggest complainers about the establishment.

Me thinks you don’t understand the use of the term.

An establishment politician is one who gets elected and becomes so beholden to a special interest group, lobbyist, big business ect…

They then vote for the best interest of those who fund them rather than those who vote for them.

At that point they have joined the ranks of the typical politician, aka the establishment. They snuggle up to big money like Goldman Sachs, defense contractors like Raytheon and work out deals that benefit themselves.

Your boy Romney has talked about this, there’s a video, I’ll see if I can find it later.

 

[estesbob]

Definitely Santorum’s night. Romney a close second. These debates with Newt are making Romney a better debater. It also helped that the house seemed to be packed with Romney supporters or at least people predisposed to like Romney.

Real bad night for Newt. He had to have a good night, he didn’t. Romney will probably win FL now with Newt, Paul and Santorum splitting the non-Romney vote.

Paul was consistent, but I don’t think he did anything to improve his FL performance.

NV on Feb 4 is next which is a caucus state. (Maine has a “nonbinding caucus”) Here is my prediction:

Ron Paul will do better in NV, probably 25% or so of the vote (he does better in caucus states), but Mitt will win. NV is a more moderate state with a lot of Mormons (States with a lot of Mormons are: Utah, NV and AZ) Mitt should do very well in Utah and NV, and maybe AZ (if there is still a race at the time these other states vote.)

No idea about Maine

Feb 7 has 3 states voting (CO, MN, Missouri - which has 0 delegates) only one with a binding caucus (Minn) another more liberal state. Ron Paul should do well there too, not so sure about Mitt v Newt v Santorum

If we get this far:

AZ will vote on 2/28 as will Michigan.

I was leanng Gincrich until the last two debates. Now i am back to leaning Romney. Romney definately had a good night with santorum winning, IMO. Paul continue to be the comic relief. After heated exchanges between Romney and gingrich Blizter would throw a question to paul who would ramble on about the fed , being nice to Castro and bringing the troops home.

 

[Joe_5859]

(if there is still a race at the time these other states vote.)

This is the part that amazes me. I’ll vote on “Super Tuesday”, but by then, I’ll be lucky to have two choices to pick from. It just seems like a handful of states and a bunch of straw polls is what determines the nominee, not the actual vote. Last time around, McCain was basically a foregone conclusion by the time I actually got to place my vote.

I understand the “tradition” and wanting to give smaller states a chance to not get drowned out by the bigger states. But it seems like there has to be a better way to go about things.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

You do know there is an Obama action figure, do you not? And Obama did one thing that neither Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has done: win the presidency. Instead of laughing, Republicans should be learning.

Yes there is. Here is Obama training for SEAL Team 6.

 

[rlg94086]

Me thinks you don’t understand the use of the term.

An establishment politician is one who gets elected and becomes so beholden to a special interest group, lobbyist, big business ect…

They then vote for the best interest of those who fund them rather than those who vote for them.

At that point they have joined the ranks of the typical politician, aka the establishment. They snuggle up to big money like Goldman Sachs, defense contractors like Raytheon and work out deals that benefit themselves.

Your boy Romney has talked about this, there’s a video, I’ll see if I can find it later.

“My boy Romney?”

So, “typical politicians” are part of the “establishment,” “neocon” “RINOs.” The real Republicans are Libertarians. Got it.

Your talk about being beholden to special interests, lobbyists, etc. and voting for their best interests rather than the people, is just pure rhetoric used to defame an opponent. All you’ve done is support my claim that “establishment” is a nebulous term used as a bogeyman.

 

[bbarrick8383]

“My boy Romney?”

So, “typical politicians” are part of the “establishment,” “neocon” “RINOs.” The real Republicans are Libertarians. Got it.

Your talk about being beholden to special interests, lobbyists, etc. and voting for their best interests rather than the people, is just pure rhetoric used to defame an opponent. All you’ve done is support my claim that “establishment” is a nebulous term used as a bogeyman.

Yeah, your boy Romney, McCain, Graham…

If it weren’t for abortion there would be a but a slight spending difference.

 

[rlg94086]

Yeah, your boy Romney, McCain, Graham…

If it weren’t for abortion there would be a but a slight spending difference.

Romney is pro-life, and many pro-life groups/individuals have supported that fact. I realize it doesn’t fit your meme, but I will support whomever gets the nomination - Ron Paul, Gingrich or Romney. I’ve flip-flopped between Romney and Gingrich, but I probably will vote Romney.

I won’t vote for “your boy,” Ron Paul, in the primaries for a host of reasons, none of them nebulous rhetoric.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Romney is pro-life, and many pro-life groups/individuals have supported that fact. I realize it doesn’t fit your meme, but I will support whomever gets the nomination - Ron Paul, Gingrich or Romney. I’ve flip-flopped between Romney and Gingrich, but I probably will vote Romney.

I won’t vote for “your boy,” Ron Paul, in the primaries for a host of reasons, none of them nebulous rhetoric.

Falling for nebulous rhetoric is the only reason I would waste my vote on anyone else in the primaries.

 

[bbarrick8383]

To quote a veteran who supports Dr. Paul:

“Pro life doesn’t mean life begins at conception and ends in Iran.”

 

[rlg94086]

Falling for nebulous rhetoric is the only reason I would waste my vote on anyone else in the primaries.

 

[rlg94086]

To quote a veteran who supports Dr. Paul:

“Pro life doesn’t mean life begins at conception and ends in Iran.”

It’s always nice when new clichés are developed. They make great campaign placards and bumper stickers, which is what campaigning is all about. Who needs substance, when you can just throw out clever one-liners?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

It’s always nice when new clichés are developed. They make great campaign placards and bumper stickers, which is what campaigning is all about. Who needs substance, when you can just throw out clever one-liners?

I see your point, but the phrase is rather clever IMO.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It’s always nice when new clichés are developed. They make great campaign placards and bumper stickers, which is what campaigning is all about. Who needs substance, when you can just throw out clever one-liners?

For those of us tired of the perpetual wars of the Democrats and Republicans (Korea, Vietnam, Poverty, Drugs, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Libya, Syria - maybe) it isn’t a cliche or a one liner. I am tired of my money being spent to kill people with whom I have no grievance.

 

[bbarrick8383]

It’s always nice when new clichés are developed. They make great campaign placards and bumper stickers, which is what campaigning is all about. Who needs substance, when you can just throw out clever one-liners?

True, one must dig and do their own reading to find true substance. You’ve obviously found some where I’ve found none and vice versa.

 

[rlg94086]

For those of us tired of the perpetual wars of the Democrats and Republicans (Korea, Vietnam, Poverty, Drugs, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Libya, Syria - maybe) it isn’t a cliche or a one liner. I am tired of my money being spent to kill people with whom I have no grievance.

It is, by definition, a one-liner. It only has one line.

Only time will tell if it becomes cliche or not. “Make love, not war!” “You can’t hug your children with nuclear arms.”

 

[ProVobis]

…Blizter would throw a question to paul who would ramble on about the fed , being nice to Castro and bringing the troops home.

And what’s wrong with that position? The Fed is a big problem. And getting rid of Bernanke isn’t going to solve it, although it would be a good start. We are also spending huge amounts of money overseas when we don’t even have it.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It is, by definition, a one-liner. It only has one line.

Only time will tell if it becomes cliche or not. “Make love, not war!” “You can’t hug your children with nuclear arms.”

Okay, how’s this.

Life doesn’t begin at conception…

…and end in Iran.

Now its a two liner…

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

And what’s wrong with that position? The Fed is a big problem. And getting rid of Bernanke isn’t going to solve it, although it would be a good start. We are also spending huge amounts of money overseas when we don’t even have it.

The only way for the Fed to stop being a problem is if Ron Paul became its chairman.

 

[rlg94086]

Okay, how’s this.

Life doesn’t begin at conception…

…and end in Iran.

Now its a two liner…