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Out of 23 times, he failed only twice to get a score of 0% by the pro-choice ratings people, and he NEVER FAILED to get a 100% score by the pro-life ratings people.
I wouldn’t trust these “rating” agencies too much. One pro-life group criticized Henry Hyde, who accomplished more than anyone else during his time, but the “best” he could was to prohibit government funding for abortion except in cases of rape and incest in his famous bill. It seems many of these “pro-life” groups are more pro-status-quo and liberal-provokers than true seekers of abortion reduction.
 
It’s going to be Romney. The GOP has known this for months. I have never been in doubt. 100% it will be Romney or I will eat my socks. If it is another candidate, the humble pie I consume would be immense, but it ain’t gonna’ happen. It will be the Mormon.

I have been writting this on CAF for months. The primaries are a charade.
I’m not so sure. It is pretty obvious that the party base, the real conservatives, are not pleased with Romney and are also not too enthused with any of the others. If either Santorum or Gingrich withdrew, would it make a difference? I am not so sure of that either. Ron Paul, for all his good points, is simply not going to get the nomination. At this point, perhaps a brokered convention would not be a bad thing. Hope the Tea Party makes itself more visible in the near future.
 
I’m not so sure. It is pretty obvious that the party base, the real conservatives, are not pleased with Romney and are also not too enthused with any of the others. If either Santorum or Gingrich withdrew, would it make a difference? I am not so sure of that either. Ron Paul, for all his good points, is simply not going to get the nomination. At this point, perhaps a brokered convention would not be a bad thing. Hope the Tea Party makes itself more visible in the near future.
Ron Paul will not get the nomination and the GOP and FoxNews are working as hard as possible to make sure of it.
 
reasons Rick Santorum is not 100% pro-life:

1995-2006, Rick Santorum voted 10 times to fund Title X family planning services, including Planned Parenthood, that directly funded contraception and indirectly funded abortions. Unbelievable.

Here is Rick Santorum in his own words affirming that he has indeed voted** for **“birth control, contraception, and Title X”: youtube.com/watch?v=sB5pZqAenp4

Here is Rick Santorum in his own words endorsing the pro-abortion Arlen Specter: youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E

As a side note to the Specter endorsement, in 2010, at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, six years after his endorsement of Arlen Specter, came the revelation from Santorum that, “the reason I endorsed Arlen Specter is because we were going to have two Supreme Court nominees coming up.” “I got a commitment from Arlen Specter that no matter who George W. Bush would nominate, he would support that nominee.”
Arlen Specter immediately denied that
[You either have to take Arlen Specter at his words, or Rick Santorum at his words]

And then you have the inconvenient fact that Rick Santorum’s Leadership PAC, America’s Foundation, financially supported candidates who have supported pro-abortion positions, including:
$10,000 each to 3 candidates]

Yet, somehow Rick Santorum is** MORE **pro-life than Ron Paul!!?? It doesn’t make sense.

Yet somehow Rick Santorum is 100% pro-life?

Not a chance.
  1. You are right to say that the fact Santorum voted for something called “Title X” is unbelievable. I am unable to believe a 12 second youtube video. There is no context, therefore I am unable to believe it… it is unbelievable. It cannot be believed.
  2. Arlen Specter is a liar and a traitor. He lied to the people of Pennsylvania, he betrayed the people of Pennsylvania. Sean Hannity refers to him as “Benedict Arlen”. So… who’s to say he didn’t also betray Rick Santorum?
    Arlen Specter has nothing to do with Rick Santorum’s views on abortion. Clearly, Rick Santorum endorsed him because he said he’d vote for Bush’s Sup. Court Justices… but Sen. Specter lied to him just like he lied to the people of Pennsylvania.
  3. How many candidates has the PAC “America’s Foundation” even supported? It could have given money to hundreds of candidates… and 3 of them weren’t as pro-life as Rick Santorum? Big Whoop. Plus I highly doubt $30,000 got them elected. You should blame the American people for voting for pro-abortion Republicans. Not $30,000 from a PAC.
Your entire 781 has already been said. Stop spewing the talking points and the kool aid straight off of “the daily paul”. OK. Why don’t you just have a normal conversation about it like everyone else.

That’s right, it isn’t normal to say “He isn’t pro-life” … “why? Because he endorsed someone who wasn’t, and his PAC gave money to people who weren’t”.

Doesn’t that just show that the person he endorsed isn’t 100% pro-life, and his PAC isn’t 100% pro-life? I don’t think the actions of other people or groups has any bearing on your own personal beliefs.

I have friends that I bet are pro-contraception, and pro-abortion. Does that mean I’m not 100% pro-life? What if I owed these friends money, and gave it to them. I just supported someone who is pro-abortion. I guess I’m not 100% pro-life.

GIVE ME A BREAK. CMON THAT’S RIDICULOUS ON ITS FACE.

Wow, this is the first time I’ve ever entered a post with more than 6,000 characters… so, I’m gonna have to slash and burn your post. I never even knew there was a 6,000 character limit… I guess I’m normally short, concise and to the point.
 
Arlen Specter has nothing to do with Rick Santorum’s views on abortion. Clearly, Rick Santorum endorsed him because he said he’d vote for Bush’s Sup. Court Justices… but Sen. Specter lied to him just like he lied to the people of Pennsylvania.
To be fair to Senator Specter, as the chairman of the judicial committee he carried the party line and passed justices Alito and Roberts onward to confirmation. If he’d turned his coat earlier and voted against them both nominations would’ve failed in committee on 9-9 votes instead of passed 10-8. (Every democratic on the committee voted against confirming Justices Alito and Roberts).
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Just stating the facts as they stand. 🤷 It has never been as obvious to me that a party was actively working to fix candidates. And people wonder why I shun both parties as corrupt and worthless.
 
Just stating the facts as they stand. 🤷 It has never been as obvious to me that a party was actively working to fix candidates. And people wonder why I shun both parties as corrupt and worthless.
It’s pretty simple, Scott. Ron Paul is not mainstream, so mainstream commentators don’t consider him a viable candidate. They aren’t “working as hard as they can” to keep him from being elected. They are just dismissive of him and his chances. The majority of GOP voters seem to think that Paul is too far out of step with the country to get elected.

Btw…they were dismissive of Santorum and his chances too, until he won a few states. Now, all of a sudden, he’s news and has a shot. If Ron Paul does the same, he will get the same press. Romney, on the other hand, is now in doubt by much of the press because of Santorum’s wins…Maine not withstanding. Santorum is now ahead in the national poll.

Oh, also btw, where is Newt Gingrich? He has completely disappeared from the news. Someone should put out an APB. Has he been moved to an undisclosed location? 😛
 
Why is this even in the World News forum? The title of the thread is “Republican Primary” and the link is to an article about Romney’s campaign “not caring about the very poor.”

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  1. You are right to say that the fact Santorum voted for something called “Title X” is unbelievable. I am unable to believe a 12 second youtube video. There is no context, therefore I am unable to believe it… it is unbelievable. It cannot be believed.
  2. Arlen Specter is a liar and a traitor. He lied to the people of Pennsylvania, he betrayed the people of Pennsylvania. Sean Hannity refers to him as “Benedict Arlen”. So… who’s to say he didn’t also betray Rick Santorum?
    Arlen Specter has nothing to do with Rick Santorum’s views on abortion. Clearly, Rick Santorum endorsed him because he said he’d vote for Bush’s Sup. Court Justices… but Sen. Specter lied to him just like he lied to the people of Pennsylvania.
  3. How many candidates has the PAC “America’s Foundation” even supported? It could have given money to hundreds of candidates… and 3 of them weren’t as pro-life as Rick Santorum? Big Whoop. Plus I highly doubt $30,000 got them elected. You should blame the American people for voting for pro-abortion Republicans. Not $30,000 from a PAC.
Your entire 781 has already been said. Stop spewing the talking points and the kool aid straight off of “the daily paul”. OK. Why don’t you just have a normal conversation about it like everyone else.

That’s right, it isn’t normal to say “He isn’t pro-life” … “why? Because he endorsed someone who wasn’t, and his PAC gave money to people who weren’t”.

Doesn’t that just show that the person he endorsed isn’t 100% pro-life, and his PAC isn’t 100% pro-life? I don’t think the actions of other people or groups has any bearing on your own personal beliefs.

I have friends that I bet are pro-contraception, and pro-abortion. Does that mean I’m not 100% pro-life? What if I owed these friends money, and gave it to them. I just supported someone who is pro-abortion. I guess I’m not 100% pro-life.

GIVE ME A BREAK. CMON THAT’S RIDICULOUS ON ITS FACE.

Wow, this is the first time I’ve ever entered a post with more than 6,000 characters… so, I’m gonna have to slash and burn your post. I never even knew there was a 6,000 character limit… I guess I’m normally short, concise and to the point.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

The lengths that Santorum disciples go to to defend his inexcusable “deals” and support of pro-abortion politicans is truly amazing, given that in the same breath they have the nerve to state that Ron Paul is less pro-life than Santorum.

And please, the youtube video I linked to can’t be taken out of context and Santorum’s voting record is avialable for all of us to see.

Santorum was thrown out of office in 2006 for his betrayal of basic social and fiscal conservative principles. He was thrown out for being just another status-quo, neoconservative, Bush-era Republican. He represents everything that the Tea Party rejected in 2010. He is truly arrogant and delusional to think that after being rejected in a landslide in Pennsylvania in 2006, that now all of a sudden he somehow he will have a chance against Obama in a general election.

Your last little attempt at a rationalization of Santorum’s betrayal, involving your example of your “friends” and “owing them money” doesn’t even make sense in relation to Santorum and Specter, and further illustrates how desperate you are to defend Santorum’s inexcusable behavior.
 
It’s pretty simple, Scott. Ron Paul is not mainstream, so mainstream commentators don’t consider him a viable candidate. They aren’t “working as hard as they can” to keep him from being elected. They are just dismissive of him and his chances. The majority of GOP voters seem to think that Paul is too far out of step with the country to get elected.

Btw…they were dismissive of Santorum and his chances too, until he won a few states. Now, all of a sudden, he’s news and has a shot. If Ron Paul does the same, he will get the same press. Romney, on the other hand, is now in doubt by much of the press because of Santorum’s wins…Maine not withstanding. Santorum is now ahead in the national poll.

Oh, also btw, where is Newt Gingrich? He has completely disappeared from the news. Someone should put out an APB. Has he been moved to an undisclosed location? 😛
“Mainstream.” “Too far out of step.”

These are code words used by the Fawning Corporate Media to muddy the water and attack candidates that would spoil all the corrupt, unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, ineffective behavior that currently preoccupies the time of the majority of our distinguished elected officials.

In years past, these types of dirty tricks on the part of the government media complex worked quite well but thanks to the internet and the sheer volume of information available to us, we now know how the game is played.

Unfortunately, the majority of voters seem to like being told what to think and assume an almost reverential posture when in the presence of the “Mainstream” media.
 
“Mainstream.” “Too far out of step.”

These are code words used by the Fawning Corporate Media to muddy the water and attack candidates that would spoil all the corrupt, unconstitutional, illegal, immoral behavior that currently preoccupies the time of the majority of our distinguished elected officials.

In years past, these types of dirty tricks on the part of the government media complex worked quite well but thanks to the internet and the sheer volume of information available to us, we now know how the game is played.

Unfortunately, the majority of voters seem to like being told what to think and assume an almost reverential posture when in the presence of the “Mainstream” media.
He has yet to win a primary. Nobody is telling me what to think-i figured out Ron Paul was a fringe canidate with no chance of winning the nomination all by myself. Its not that people dont know what Ron pauls message is, its that people dont like the message.
 
Actually Obama represents that 🙂
Well, that goes without saying.

But it doesn’t change the fact that Santorum, and Gingrich and Romney also represent everything that was rejected in 2010.

By the way, Ron Paul is the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party.

The Republican Party (not to be confused with Conservatism) has a choice to make in this election: continue to embrace the morally and intellectually bankrupt Neoconservatism that has had a death grip on the Republican party for far too long, or rediscover the libertarian (with a small L) and genuine conservative principles that made this country great.
 
Well, that goes without saying.

But it doesn’t change the fact that Santorum, and Gingrich and Romney also represent everything that was rejected in 2010.

By the way, Ron Paul is the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party.

The Republican Party (not to be confused with Conservatism) has a choice to make in this election: continue to embrace the morally and intellectually bankrupt Neoconservatism that has had a death grip on the Republican party for far too long, or rediscover the libertarian (with a small L) and genuine conservative principles that made this country great.
We can not afford to “make a statement” by electing Paul our nominee. He will lose in a landslide. And this country has enough of a drug problem, without legalizing it.

Are the other 3 perfect? Heck no. But they (with a Republican majority in both Houses) will be lightyears better than Obama. Which is the point, no?😉

Put another way, you want a President Obama raising the dividend tax rate to 43% or a President, say, Gingrich lowering it to zero?

Or a President that reduces abortions vs one that has increased them massively?

If Paul gets the nomination, I will vote for him…holding my nose. And every time I vote for a Republican holding my nose, we lose. Bush 1 vs Clinton, Dull vs Clinton, McCain vs Obama
 
We can not afford to “make a statement” by electing Paul our nominee. He will lose in a landslide. And this country has enough of a drug problem, without legalizing it.

Are the other 3 perfect? Heck no. But they (with a Republican majority in both Houses) will be lightyears better than Obama. Which is the point, no?😉

Put another way, you want a President Obama raising the dividend tax rate to 43% or a President, say, Gingrich lowering it to zero?

Or a President that reduces abortions vs one that has increased them massively?

If Paul gets the nomination, I will vote for him…holding my nose. And every time I vote for a Republican holding my nose, we lose. Bush 1 vs Clinton, Dull vs Clinton, McCain vs Obama
Romney will be the nominee. Obama wants it. The media wants it. The GOP establishment wants it. They will allow Santorum to make things interesting…for a while. But, when it looks like Obama is picking up steam because of GOP infighting, Santorum will be told to take a dive for the team and allow Romney to ascend the throne. So it has been said, so it has been written.

GOP loyalists will vote for him. Conservatives will hold their nose and vote for him. Libertarians and independents will probably stay home and play checkers or something, and dishearted Democrats, who may have stayed home, will hold their noses and vote for Obama…again.
 
Arlen Specter is a liar and a traitor. He lied to the people of Pennsylvania, he betrayed the people of Pennsylvania. Sean Hannity refers to him as “Benedict Arlen”. So… who’s to say he didn’t also betray Rick Santorum?
Arlen Specter has nothing to do with Rick Santorum’s views on abortion. Clearly, Rick Santorum endorsed him because he said he’d vote for Bush’s Sup. Court Justices… but Sen. Specter lied to him just like he lied to the people of Pennsylvania.
Careful, SemperZelare, we don’t know if Arlen Specter is lying. For all we know, Rick Santorum may be lying. Are you privy to private information that demonstrates that Arlen Specter is in fact lying?

Who cares what a public dissenter on the Church’s teaching on artificial contraception like Sean Hannity has to say? Hannity is a neoconservative who has allowed the liberal, marxist foundation of neoconservatism rub off onto some of his views toward Catholic teaching. He may very well be anti-abortion, but he is not consistently pro-life given his public defense of artificial contraception, even going so far as to deride Father Euteneuer over what Hannity felt was the Church’s inconsistency on NFP. You can see Sean Hannity defense of artifical contraception and despicable behavior towards a Catholic priest here: youtube.com/watch?v=usTWwSbpWRc.
 
“Mainstream.” “Too far out of step.”

These are code words used by the Fawning Corporate Media to muddy the water and attack candidates that would spoil all the corrupt, unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, ineffective behavior that currently preoccupies the time of the majority of our distinguished elected officials.

In years past, these types of dirty tricks on the part of the government media complex worked quite well but thanks to the internet and the sheer volume of information available to us, we now know how the game is played.

Unfortunately, the majority of voters seem to like being told what to think and assume an almost reverential posture when in the presence of the “Mainstream” media.
Thank you for representing the conspiracy theorist faction of Ron Paul supporters. 👍
 
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