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TMC
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I hope the posters that are suggesting that either the bible or Catholicism support the government ignoring the needs of the poor are meant tongue in cheek. Surely no Catholic would believe such a revolting suggestion.
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april32010
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Ridgerunner
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I recall the “Mind Reader’s” booth at a fair once when I was a kid. Some undoubtedly believed he could do it…maybe even the mind reader himself.
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_Abyssinia
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estesbob
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One need only look at the platform of the Democrat party to know the truth of what i said. It is unfortunate indeed that so many Catholics put politics before faith . Let us keep always in mind the words of the Holy Father:
"How can one morally accept laws that permit the killing of a human being not yet born, but already alive in the mother’s womb? The right to life becomes an exclusive prerogative of adults who even manipulate legislatures in order to carry out their own plans and pursue their own interests."
Letter to Families , John Paul II, 21 (1994).
As opposed to the Democrat Party Platform:
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right,"
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TMC
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I am not sure what you mean by that. If you are suggesting that the current federal programs providing aid to the poor are somehow unconstitutional, then we disagree on that.
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ringil
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OK, I flubbed it. Ok.…
You should go see if Obama has a debate coach position open.
I just was struck by the quote by Tojo and the use by Conservatives. I didn’t apply it well. Touche.
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bbarrick8383
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How are they constitutional? Which enumerated power gives the government the power to make my retirement decisions for me? Which one gives them the power to make my medical decisions for me?
If you can’t support a strict constitutionally limited government then you can only expect for them to makes decision on issues like abortion, gay marriage, contraception, fetal stem cell research and others for you. This is the problem I have with the argument that federal government should legislate morality, expect an outcome that you do not like.
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rlg94086
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I hope the posters that misrepresent the posters who have tried to explain Catholic social doctrine in regards to the role of government by simplifying it to “the government ignoring the needs of the poor” will actually give the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church a read and educate themselves, rather than claim that other Catholics who have read and understand it are “revolting.”
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Monte_RCMS
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Under the teaching of subsidiarity, the best supplier of air to the poor are the folks who are closest to the people in need: friends and neighbors, the local Church(es), local non-profit agencies, local non-government agencies, local government, state government, national government and last international relief agencies.
By suggesting that government is the primary support for the poor, people who think that way are overlooking the most traditional and the most capable agencies for helping the poor.
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TMC
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I hope that Catholics advancing revolting and un-Catholic positions regarding the poor will refrain from suggesting that those that disagree with them must necessarily be ignorant of the Church’s teaching - particularly when the opposite is clearly true.
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rlg94086
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Then, as I posted, you shouldn’t simplify those who are advancing viewpoints contrary to your personal understanding as “the government ignoring the needs of the poor.” That isn’t the case. There is nothing revolting or un-Catholic about any of the recommendations made by other Catholics on this topic.
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rlg94086
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Exactly. TMC is just misreprenting other’s viewpoints.
Exactly. In fact, that outlook is very much contrary to Church teaching.
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Pork_Roll
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The problem with the GOP is where their policies don’t support what the church teaches. These would be sins of omissions. For example: they favor military spending that goes beyond what is necessary for national defense. They do not protect family run and small businesses from large corporations. They do not do enough to protect the environment or development in poor countries.
Catholics should be catholic first, and not GOP or democrat. Our job on earth is to defend the truth and not the policies of the GOP which many times benefit the rich at the expense of families and the environment.
I believe that the pro-death secularists and to a lesser extent the heresies of Protestantism are responsible for the moral decay of our country.
Catholics should be catholic first, and not GOP or democrat. Our job on earth is to defend the truth and not the policies of the GOP which many times benefit the rich at the expense of families and the environment.
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rlg94086
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Sure. I think that is a fair assessment based on prudential judgment. I dont agree with you 100%, but i see some merit to your argument. That said, if choosing between a Democrat and Republican candidate, you have to make a determination of which to support. Neither is perfect, so you weigh the two and determine which one is closest to your values.
You can also use your judgment to go third party, of course, but it is completely acceptable to make a choice between the major parties, knowing that they are the electable options.
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CMatt25
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True and here’s something John Paul said, Ringil, about more money in their pockets.
“The rights of workers take priority over the maximization of profits.” (Pope John Paul II,
Toronto, Canada, 1984)
Source shc.edu/theolibrary/labor.htm
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