Q
qui_est_ce
Guest
This is the problem when basic rational argumentation skills are ignored.
- Status
C
Carlan
Guest
Dear Robert, It is a free country you can opt out…Good luck , if only everyone were as charity minded as you, you would get your wish no Big Bad Government picking up the tab, oops wait a minute, Gotta have an Army and a Navy and an Air Forc e, and then there are all those highway and bridges falling into disrepair , and of course let the parents start educating their own kids, Yes , i know friend I’m beginning to sound unreal, prayers,
B
bbarrick8383
Guest
Beginning?
R
rlg94086
Guest
Apparently, you aren’t aware that those are the wholly legitimate roles of the federal government. You might try reading the Constitution some time, so you won’t look so ridiculous in your arguments.
No one opposes federal government in those roles. On education, many believe the Feds should be out of it though…they were for most of our history.
T
TMC
Guest
There is a big difference between a limited Federalist reading of the US Constitution (which I support, BTW), and a reading that says the federal government is somehow barred from caring for the poor. The first is a conservative view of the Constitution. The second is an anachronistic view that did not exist in either 1965 or 1935.
Q
qui_est_ce
Guest
I so agree with this. Some of the stuff that is required by public schools is sickening. Parents of public school children no longer have a role in what their children are being taught. I believe in school choice. I put my money where my mouth is. Had I not been single, I would have home-schooled my children, but as it was, I had to work and I put them through Catholic schools. It was a tremendous sacrifice, financially, as well as logistical regarding getting them there and home, as MO does not provide school bus service to non-public school students.
Q
qui_est_ce
Guest
I think, moving on, we should ignore people who used uncharitable attacks as argument supporting federal government entitlements.
T
TMC
Guest
Should we also ignore those that make uncharitable attacks as argument against government entitlements? I have seen plenty of both here and would be happy to join a movement toward greater charity.
S
scipio337
Guest
That view didn’t exist? There were two Supreme Court cases in 1937:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steward_Machine_Company_v._Davis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvering_v._Davis
Both were 5-4 splits.
Other New Deal items were struck down.
B
bbarrick8383
Guest
Your probably right, would keep me out of trouble I reckon.
Q
qui_est_ce
Guest
:yup::yup:Your probably right, would keep me out of trouble I reckon.
You have a lot to contribute. I hated it when you were suspended.
I learn a lot on the forums, especially from people who disagree with my take on things. I dislike snarky insinuations and personal attacks because it detracts from the real issues.
B
bbarrick8383
Guest
:yup::yup:
You have a lot to contribute. I hated it when you were suspended.
I learn a lot on the forums, especially from people who disagree with my take on things. I dislike snarky insinuations and personal attacks because it detracts from the real issues.
Why thank you, I enjoy reading your posts as well. I’ve learned a lot here myself.
R
ringil
Guest
I agree. IN is trying to put Intellegent Design nonesense into the science curriculuum.
I am sure that Catholic Schools aren’t presenting this bull malarkey.
I am trying to save for my daughter to attend Catholic school so I know it can be hard.
A
_Abyssinia
Guest
Romney has 20% lead in Nevada - USA Today
Romney Is a Clear Favorite in Nevada, Arizona and Michigan; Ohio Is a Tossup - Nate Silver
Trump endorses Romney: “Mitt is tough, he’s smart, he’s sharp” - WSJ | Video
Where’s Sarah Palin?
Cheri Jacobus at The Hill says Sarah Palin could have helped Romney with Tea Party voters but has failed to do so.
Conservatives hit Romney for “poor” comment
“A Wall Street Journal editorial today slams the GOP front-runner’s “artlessness” in his words. Rush Limbaugh lamented on his talk show yesterday that Romney “comes across as the prototypical rich Republican.” Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin called Romney’s words “Facepalm” as she linked to the video, which has already gotten thousands of views on YouTube.” - USA Today
Jonah Goldberg: A case for Romney
At TownHall.com, Jonah Goldberg makes the case for Romney: “Romney is not a man of vision. He is a man of duty and purpose. He was told to “fix” health care in ways Massachusetts would like. He was told to fix the 2002 Olympics. He was told to create Bain Capital. He did it all. The man does his assignments. In this light, voting for Romney isn’t a betrayal, it’s a transaction.”
Gingrich wants proportionate allocation of Florida’s delegates - WSJ
Unlike Gingrich, Reagan made peace with the GOP establishment - Bill Schneider for Politico
Gingrich Versus Santorum - Robert Costa finds that neither of the ‘Not Romneys’ are willing to stand aside and allegedly unite conservatives - NRO
Nevada tea partiers not coalescing behind a single candidate - Daily Caller
Obama’s foreign policy successes have come when he has followed Bush policies; his failures have come when he has struck out on his own - Shadow Government blog
Obama doesn’t just have an uphill struggle in Virginia, Florida and Nevada but also, more worryingly for Democrats, in Pennsylvania and Oregon - National Journal
“In 2012 the GOP can capitalize on this shift by nominating pro-Israel candidates (a certainty at the presidential level, where Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich are all strong backers of the Jewish state) who have a sober approach to our economic problems. In some sense these former Democrats are like the swing voters at large: They don’t want a scary ideologues; They want problem solvers who are going to turn around the economic climate. Both parties should take note, and not take the Jewish vote for granted this year.” - Jennifer Rubin
Romney Is a Clear Favorite in Nevada, Arizona and Michigan; Ohio Is a Tossup - Nate Silver
Trump endorses Romney: “Mitt is tough, he’s smart, he’s sharp” - WSJ | Video
Where’s Sarah Palin?
Cheri Jacobus at The Hill says Sarah Palin could have helped Romney with Tea Party voters but has failed to do so.
Code:
"The most influential endorsement in the GOP primary may actually be Paul himself, said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. “Ron Paul’s endorsement will actually matter more than that of the other [former GOP] candidates, because he has such intense support,” Sabato said. “There is no doubt many of the Paulites would respond if given the call.”" -[ ABC](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/donald-trump-backs-mitt-romney-but-do-endorsements-even-matter/)“A Wall Street Journal editorial today slams the GOP front-runner’s “artlessness” in his words. Rush Limbaugh lamented on his talk show yesterday that Romney “comes across as the prototypical rich Republican.” Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin called Romney’s words “Facepalm” as she linked to the video, which has already gotten thousands of views on YouTube.” - USA Today
Jonah Goldberg: A case for Romney
At TownHall.com, Jonah Goldberg makes the case for Romney: “Romney is not a man of vision. He is a man of duty and purpose. He was told to “fix” health care in ways Massachusetts would like. He was told to fix the 2002 Olympics. He was told to create Bain Capital. He did it all. The man does his assignments. In this light, voting for Romney isn’t a betrayal, it’s a transaction.”
Code:
Within his latest [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-romney-and-obama-match-up-in-the-general-election/2012/02/02/gIQAPfBWlQ_story.html) column Mike Gerson lists Romney's strengths and weaknesses.
Congressional Republicans are worried Mitt Romney’s propensity for verbal gaffes will hurt him in the fall - [The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/208465-mitt-romney-gaffes-alarm-gop-concerned-poor)
Code:
Romney says he should have challenged allocation method BEFORE vote, not after - [Fox](http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/02/02/romney-it-would-be-nice-if-gingrich-challenged-rules-he-lost-florida-not-after)Gingrich Versus Santorum - Robert Costa finds that neither of the ‘Not Romneys’ are willing to stand aside and allegedly unite conservatives - NRO
Code:
Santorum more competitive against Obama than Gingrich - [Weekly Standard](http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rasmussen-obama-leads-romney-1-santorum-2_620872.html)Obama’s foreign policy successes have come when he has followed Bush policies; his failures have come when he has struck out on his own - Shadow Government blog
Obama doesn’t just have an uphill struggle in Virginia, Florida and Nevada but also, more worryingly for Democrats, in Pennsylvania and Oregon - National Journal
“In 2012 the GOP can capitalize on this shift by nominating pro-Israel candidates (a certainty at the presidential level, where Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich are all strong backers of the Jewish state) who have a sober approach to our economic problems. In some sense these former Democrats are like the swing voters at large: They don’t want a scary ideologues; They want problem solvers who are going to turn around the economic climate. Both parties should take note, and not take the Jewish vote for granted this year.” - Jennifer Rubin
Q
qui_est_ce
Guest
ignore
C
CMatt25
Guest
Speaking of ignoring, maybe we should too ignore Catholic Republicans and conservatives when for instance they express such things as a concern for the desires of the rich not to have their taxes raised. Or when they oppose unions, the right to affordable, adequate health care, and so forth. A lot of these kinds of things go on here on this forum too.
“The needs of the poor take priority over the desires of the rich.” (Pope John Paul II, Toronto, Canada, 1984 )
“The rights of workers take priority over the maximization of profits.” (Pope John Paul II,
Toronto, Canada, 1984)
Sources:
shc.edu/theolibrary/poverty.htm
shc.edu/theolibrary/labor.htm
“The needs of the poor take priority over the desires of the rich.” (Pope John Paul II, Toronto, Canada, 1984 )
“The rights of workers take priority over the maximization of profits.” (Pope John Paul II,
Toronto, Canada, 1984)
Sources:
shc.edu/theolibrary/poverty.htm
shc.edu/theolibrary/labor.htm
S
scipio337
Guest
Maybe they’ll just execute the “free will” clause of the magesterium:
Nancy Pelosi:
catholicnewsagency.com/news/pelosis_archbishop_slams_her_rationale_for_supporting_abortion/
I’ve also missed where an inefficient federal subsidy for the poor is considered “non-negotiable”.
R
Ridgerunner
Guest
So, “the rich” (however that’s defined from day to day) should have no voice in public affairs? I’m not sure anyone, from Jefferson to the Pope has ever said that. But perhaps you can provide the quotes from reliable sources.
And since Obamacare provides neither “adequate” (even Obama admits that) nor “affordable” healthcare, (what’s the estimate now? A trillion in addition to the cost of the care itself for most people) I guess it’s okay to criticize it, right?
And what conservatives oppose unions per se? One reads some of them criticizing unions that use political power to loot the public till. I do see some of that. One does see criticism of unions that drive companies offshore. Sometimes one sees conservatives do that. Sometimes one sees criticism of unions that force member contributions to immoral causes and candidates. But I don’t think many, even conservatives, condemn unions as such and in all ways. I think my “strawman meter” just pegged out.
T
TMC
Guest
I don’t agree that either of those cases, or even the dissents in the cases, stand for the proposition that the federal government has no role in assisting the poor.
- Status