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ComputerGeek25
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It’s a double standard used by the left. That’s how they can vote Democrat.
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CMatt25
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I imagine Catholics and non Catholics who have read enough of your posts are well aware of your opinion. It doesn’t take much research to see that you appear to think Catholics who don’t subscribe to Republican primary politics or who subscribe more so to the Democratic Party’s, oppose moral teaching. But it’s an opinion that’s already been disproven by the Catholics who disagree with your politics. Ringil to name one, it seems has done a great job explaining how he faithfully practices the Catholic faith.
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ComputerGeek25
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Ridgerunner
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I don’t check with Santorum before reading something anybody has said. Here’s what Romney actually said.
“I’m in this race because I care about Americans,” Romney told CNN’s Soledad O’Brien this morning after his resounding victory in Florida on Tuesday. “I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it.”
He then said he’s not concerned about the rich either, but with the middle class. O’Brien challenged him again and he said essentially the same thing.
Now, the CNN headline for that was “ROMNEY CAMPAIGN: NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE POOR.”
Now, there are those who repeated that line, just as it appears in the CNN article, including the OP, even though the actual statement doesn’t justify it. The “headline” is a negative conclusion that does not follow from what he actually said. It’s an interpretation of what the man really thinks.
And you accuse me of twisting? Do you really expect anybody to believe the intention was not to cause people to think Romney cares nothing about the poor as a general proposition?
If one is carrying water for a political party or candidate by announcing a negative conclusion against an opposing candidate,one ought to admit that’s what he’s doing. But I realize Liberals never have to apologize, no matter how wrong they are. They never even admit it. That’s why I expressed that I never expected a liberal organization like CNN to apologize for mischaracterizing Romney’s attitude toward the poor.
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ringil
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The media relayed his quote because, and Romney admits this, it’s an attention getting quote. Why would Romney apologize for a comment when there was no problem with his comment. I am assuming that he is being genuine in his apology because if he were simply doing it out of a need to do damage control, that would be dishonest.
Regarding the media, they always call out outlandish sounding quotes, whether they are front Left, Right, and Center, and they print them to get folks’ attention. It’s what they do, for good or for ill- it get’s attention. I do not accept that there is a grand scheme of CNN or the media at large, at least, to disparage the GOP and elevate the President. This smells of victim mentality and shirks a sense of responsibility, because any criticism is just written off as "Oh, that’s the Lame Street Media. . . . "
MSNBC and FOX have a clear bias and an agenda. They do this type of thing,; I’ll grant you that. I know many of you feel that CNN and the vast majority of the media are in a conspiracy against the Right but I don’t believe that.
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Ridgerunner
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He didn’t actually apologize in the quote you had from that TV station. Their headline says he did, but if you read the quote, he didn’t. Now, he was jumped on by a number of people for saying something poorly, and he did admit to that.
But an 'outlandish-sounding quote"? No it wasn’t. He was talking about something else, O’Brien wanted him to say something else and nail him to a statement that he did not care about the poor as a general proposition. He didn’t oblige her, but he did it poorly, or at least sufficiently poorly that people felt it could be misrepresented, which CNN and the OP promptly did.
I don’t watch MSNBC because I don’t have that strong a stomach, but I won’t dispute your saying it has a bias. I haven’t watched FOX for a long time, but I’ll admit its commentators have biases, to which they admit. The problem with some commentators and newspeople is that they’re palpably partisan but won’t admit their partisanship. If not for that, FOX wouldn’t even exist. It found a market that nobody else was serving, and filled it.
I do not have any reason to think MSNBC and CNN and NPR, for example, get together and agree “Oh, let’s all back Obama. On Monday we’ll say this, and on Tuesday you say that…” But the partisan affiliations of the mainstream media are well known, and they are overwhelmingly with the left. You know that as well as I do.
"In the July/August 2001 edition of the Roper Center’s Public Perspective, Washington Post national political correspondent Thomas Edsall summarized the findings of a Kaiser Family Foundation poll of 301 “media professionals,” 300 “policymakers” and the 1,206 members of the public. The media professionals included “reporters and editors from top newspapers, TV and radio networks, news services and news magazines.” The results showed that “only a tiny fraction of the media identifies itself as either Republican (4%), or conservative (6%),” placing reporters far to the left of media consumers.
And that’s exactly why FOX exists.
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estesbob
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I always back up my “oipinions” on Church teaching with references to Church teaching. For instance:
No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"
Cardinal Edmud Burke
Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
Pope Benedict XVI
“Some time ago, a protestant American politician asked me if the Church changed its position regarding abortion. I answered ‘no,’ obviously. He then told me: ‘It’s weird, because in the United States Congress, many Catholics easily support laws in favor of the right to abortion’.”
Cardinal Edmud Burke
The inviolability of the person which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, fínds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights-for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination.
Pope John Paul II, Christifideles Laici (1988), no. 38
Among important issues involving the dignity of human life with which the Church is concerned, abortion necessarily plays a central role. Abortion, the direct killing of an innocent human being, is always gravely immoral (The Gospel of Life, no. 57); its victims are the most vulnerable and defenseless members of the human family. It is imperative that those who are called to serve the least among us give urgent attention and priority to this issue of justice.
Pastoral Plan for Pro-Life Activities: A Campaign in Support of Life (2001), Introduction
Again it is somewhat puzzling to see a Non-Catholic instructing us on what the Church “really” teaches.
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rlg94086
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I do forgive your ignorance. I can’t help it if in your zeal to misrepresent my views, you actually cited the legitimate functions of the federal government. It provided me some comic relief for the morning. Since most of your posts are just finger wagging, it was a nice change of pace.l’m beginning to believe that the political threads here are actually Republican opinion clubs and if any other has the hide to enter in and disagree with your minds on the subject, they must expect to be insulted and accused of being ignorant or uncharitable.
So forgive me for my ignorance and for not having the charity to agree with much of your philosophy. I will say good day now and let you all enjoy patting each other without any further disturbance from me.Peace, Carlan
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rlg94086
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Well said, but that won’t keep the Democrat Catholics from playing their sad violins during their pity parties on CAF…the victimhood is thick in this thread.
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rlg94086
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I’m not sure of the validity of the article, but I like it.
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Luigi_Daniele
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If "all’ Rep Paul gets out of this is even half of his 1 trillion in cuts, he will have done his party, and more importantly, his country a great service. I, for one, will applaud him.
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bbarrick8383
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I’ve heard that they and their wives became good friends in the 2008 election season I believe. Someone said you rarely see them go directly after each other, but I don’t really recall.I’m not sure of the validity of the article, but I like it.
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Ambrosia12
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is it OK to criticize other posters and bring up moderater decisions? Just checking if the rules are as I read them.
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CMatt25
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Ringil, I too assume Romney means it when he said he made a mistake. I’m just a little puzzled though why he was defending what he said for about a day before admitting he was wrong.
But oh well don’t know if you saw Romney watching CNN’s FL Republican primary election coverage Tues night. So they can’t be all that bad.
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CMatt25
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Others back up their views with quotes from Church sources too.
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estesbob
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Really? Where?
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CMatt25
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I’ll give you a start where your view has been demonstrated to be flawed and if you’re truly interested, you can search further yourself.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8794697&postcount=28
The reason the poster in the link above said your quotes don’t cut it is because the bishops or Church have not stated a Catholic can not vote for a particular candidate.
The bishops make this abundantly clear here when they say they do not “offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues, or direction on how to vote”.
jsi5q8ys1r.com/showthread.php?t=604357
Since the bishops have not given a scorecard or direction on who to vote for, obviously a faithful Catholic can vote for one of the Republican primary candidates or a Democratic candidate who might happen to be pro choice but be voting for them for other reasons. And in either case remain a faithful, good Catholic. If the bishops do not intend this to be, then they need to give specific direction on which candidates to vote for. And as Ringil said in the above linked post to you, he as a faithful practicing Catholic would listen. But as Ringil said that has not happened.
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Monte_RCMS
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Growth and opportunity for all is the answer to poverty.
Growth and opportunity for all is the answer to all things economic.
The best anti-poverty program is the one that creates jobs.
The answer to large budget deficits? Grow the economy, create jobs, watch incomes rise, and let the tax revenues come rolling in.
Growth is the single best solution for our economic ailments.
We need to stop looking at the world in terms of specific income classes or categories.
Instead, look at the whole economy and realize that everyone is tied together.
Dragging down the top earners will not help the middle class.
And providing an ever larger safety net will not solve poverty.
The safety net is important, and we need to maintain it; but, it is only a stop-gap, not a solution.
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