Thank you Ringil for providing further insight into recent teaching from the bishops about how they still do not back one party nor give direction on how to vote. I’d think for Catholics this would be invaluable information to pass on as we enter further into the 2012 campaign…
I have never a heard a Catholic document where people cherry pick comments from, I have heard that about Faithful Citizenship. Several of the passages in Faithful Citizenship are too broad in interpretation, the language needs to be much more clear.You mean not far enough in telling Cathollics they can’t vote for a pro-choice candidates? Well, maybe that wasn’t their goal in drafting the document.
Of course they do not - the Bishops are not legally allowed, vocally, to back one party. Catholic guidelines on voting transcend political parties.
One would think that, yes, and that they would not have included the criticism of voters who reduce their concerns to an issue or two.If the Bishops as a whole believe that the major problem with their document is that people are using it as a free pass to vote for pro abortion candidates including Obama, then why did they revise the document in 2011 specifically including a criticism of people who attempt to reduce moral concerns to simply one or two matters? One would think that the Bishops would be more specific about supporting those who attempt to say that all differences in political issues are unimportant in comparison to abortion.
It would be good to actually read the document that ringil posted!
Where is found in Catholic doctrine that it is perfectly acceptable to vote for a pro choice candidate that wants to remove restrictions from abortion and expand abortions like Obama - when you have a pro life alternative?
Ringil, surely you jest. You don’t think the “Right” appears not to like what a conference of bishops say, do you?
And, THAT is the distilled essence.
If it’s the truth, what’s keeping them from saying a Catholic must vote in the fall for Republican primary winner Romney if Romney becomes the nominee? Or spell it out clearly and just say a Catholic definitely can not vote for Obama if that’s the truth?
As the Shepherd of my diocese, I am obliged to follow my bishop. The Church really does practice subsidarity. The structure of the Church is really bottom up, not top down!
I know you’ve given your explanation, but I still don’t get it.
If you’ve seen that on CAF, you should report that to the mods. Definitely against Forum rules.
I don’t get that from you, you are really charitable and you work with the poor, which I think is great. I am a social worker and helping the disadvantaged is my career and my passion. I feel bad that I have offended you in my words as I do respect you- at least the “you” I can gather from posts.
Well I hope I don’t come across as milquetoast.
Thanks for your kind words.
I do think you are experiencing “sticker shock” at seeing conservatism legitimized and validated, something you are not used to.
I have to tell you, there is right, and then there is right of right, that’s me. Having said that, I contribute as much as I can to St. Vincent de Paul, and if I can’t serve at Our Lady’s Inn, I at least cook and deliver the dish on the night we are scheduled to serve. I make less than most people in my field (accountant), but I love my job. I’ll tell you about it in a PM some other time.
It appears to me that nearly all of the criticism is coming from the Right.Ringil, surely you jest. You don’t think the “Right” doesn’t like what the bishops say, do you?
No; you vote for the pro-lfe nominee.
I understand why you would have been instilled with enough fear from reading here, Ringil and I am glad you were guided by your young conservative priest in such a manner. God bless you and peace to you.It appears to me that nearly all of the criticism is coming from the Right.
For now this document is the “go to” document relative to voting issues for the US Catholic.
It is the document I was directed to in the confessional when I had questions regarding my moral questions regarding voting. Reading CAF did instill in me enough (fear) to take this issue to my Priest and I was given that advice- to read the Bishop’s document. I was also told by this young Conservative priest (dressed in a cassock have you) that it was not a sin for me to vote for a pro-choice candidate in the context of what I have already posted. So who am I to trust- a non-biased, conservative priest consulted in the Holy Sacrament of Penance, or a bunch of folks on an internet forum?
This document is the guidance our Bishops have provided us. If they feel they need to clarify, again, then I’m right here, until then that’s what I’ve got, and I’m stinkin’ to it.
USA Today is hardly a Catholic source They, like you, merely expressed an unsourced opinion please give a link to Catholic teaching to back up your opinions
But then one’s conscience gets into all those life issues.
It has Ben. Spelled out clearly, some choose to ignore. There is no Ned to mention canidates by name. The reaching is clear.
I was wondering howling it would take for the " my Priest told me it was OK" excuse to arrive.It appears to me that nearly all of the criticism is coming from the Right.
For now this document is the “go to” document relative to voting issues for the US Catholic.
It is the document I was directed to in the confessional when I had questions regarding my moral questions regarding voting. Reading CAF did instill in me enough (fear) to take this issue to my Priest and I was given that advice- to read the Bishop’s document. I was also told by this young Conservative priest (dressed in a cassock have you) that it was not a sin for me to vote for a pro-choice candidate in the context of what I have already posted. So who am I to trust- a non-biased, conservative priest consulted in the Holy Sacrament of Penance, or a bunch of folks on an internet forum?
This document is the guidance our Bishops have provided us. If they feel they need to clarify, again, then I’m right here, until then that’s what I’ve got, and I’m stinkin’ to it.
Bishops, Priests etc. can not endorse candidates because of the tax exempt status of the Church, they have to remain non partisan. If they said ‘‘vote for Romney’’ that would be endorsing Romney, if they said ‘do not vote for Obama’ I think that would also put the tax exempt status in jeopardy.
501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/
Yep. I’ve read that Iowa and Wisconsin are supposed to be swing states this year even though they are traditionally Democrat. Same with Pennsylvania.
If you are relying on one document, Faithful Citizenship, then you would be wise to remember Bishop Vasa’s comment, he contributed to the document and he clarified:It appears to me that nearly all of the criticism is coming from the Right.
For now this document is the “go to” document relative to voting issues for the US Catholic.
It is the document I was directed to in the confessional when I had questions regarding my moral questions regarding voting. Reading CAF did instill in me enough (fear) to take this issue to my Priest and I was given that advice- to read the Bishop’s document. I was also told by this young Conservative priest (dressed in a cassock have you) that it was not a sin for me to vote for a pro-choice candidate in the context of what I have already posted. So who am I to trust- a non-biased, conservative priest consulted in the Holy Sacrament of Penance, or a bunch of folks on an internet forum?
This document is the guidance our Bishops have provided us. If they feel they need to clarify, again, then I’m right here, until then that’s what I’ve got, and I’m stinkin’ to it.