Republican Primary

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estesbob said:
USA Today is hardly a Catholic source They, like you, merely expressed an unsourced opinion please give a link to Catholic teaching to back up your opinions
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:yawn: We have. We have linked you to the statement of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops where they teach you what their voting guide does not do. Which is not to give a direction on how to vote. But it appears you don’t like what they have to say. And as Ringil said, “none of us is going to convince the other”. We’ve proven our point. But as he also says, we “simply can’t MAKE a point with you folks”. So there’s not much reason to waste our time on this thread repeating ourselves. :coffeeread: (I hope this coffee’s not decaf)
 
ringil said:
It appears to me that nearly all of the criticism is coming from the Right.

For now this document is the “go to” document relative to voting issues for the US Catholic.

It is the document I was directed to in the confessional when I had questions regarding my moral questions regarding voting. Reading CAF did instill in me enough (fear) to take this issue to my Priest and I was given that advice- to read the Bishop’s document. I was also told by this young Conservative priest (dressed in a cassock have you) that it was not a sin for me to vote for a pro-choice candidate in the context of what I have already posted. So who am I to trust- a non-biased, conservative priest consulted in the Holy Sacrament of Penance, or a bunch of folks on an internet forum? 🤷

This document is the guidance our Bishops have provided us. If they feel they need to clarify, again, then I’m right here, until then that’s what I’ve got, and I’m stinkin’ to it. 🤷
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Ringil, if your conscience is telling you to vote for Obama, then vote for him. I would trust a priest over a bunch of forum members that are right-wing in politics. With that said, if I could vote I don’t know how on earth I could in good conscience vote for Obama. I recommend rethinking your decision, but it’s up to you. 🤷:cool:😃
 
_Abyssinia said:
Bishops, Priests etc. can not endorse candidates because of the tax exempt status of the Church, they have to remain non partisan. If they said ‘‘vote for Romney’’ that would be endorsing Romney, if they said ‘do not vote for Obama’ I think that would also put the tax exempt status in jeopardy.
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Sounds to me like you’re saying the bishops would withhold truth just to avoid taxes.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
And, THAT is the distilled essence.

Obama is OUT, as long as someone else who is running is pro-life.

And that would be Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum, Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Palin, …

It all comes down to this: ABO
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I don’t believe that Romney is pro-life. I trust him in what he says as much as Obama–not very much. He’s way too inconsistent and when he talks he doesn’t sound very sincere. Of course he could be, but it doesn’t seem like it to me.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Ringil, if your conscience is telling you to vote for Obama, then vote for him. I would trust a priest over a bunch of forum members that are right-wing in politics. With that said, if I could vote I don’t know how on earth I could in good conscience vote for Obama. I recommend rethinking your decision, but it’s up to you. 🤷:cool:😃
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:extrahappy: :clapping: Finally. The end to the story: Vote our consciences. Although I confess a forum of right wing politics has led my conscience to become firmer in what it is now telling me.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
No; you vote for the pro-lfe nominee.
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Pro-life is a packed word. Pro-life for abortion only? What about after abortion? Euthanasia? Contraception? (Please, no one give me cr*p for this) War and the Death Penalty? How about poverty and hunger?

You have to take these things into consideration and how many people also die from those each year.

But I still don’t know how you can vote for Obama after all of this.

I feel like I’m playing devil’s advocate. :D:D:p
 
CMatt25 said:
Sounds to me like you’re saying the bishops would withhold truth just to avoid taxes.
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I thought that non-political groups weren’t allowed to campaign for a candidate. 🤷 That would explain the silence anyway.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
I don’t believe that Romney is pro-life. I trust him in what he says as much as Obama–not very much. He’s way too inconsistent and when he talks he doesn’t sound very sincere. Of course he could be, but it doesn’t seem like it to me.
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Swiss Guy, by pro life if most Catholics (not necessarily you) mean the Roe issue, maybe it’s just not as important to him as say it is to a Santorum. Not that I think Santorum is going to be on the ballot for POTUS in the fall.
 
CMatt25 said:
Swiss Guy, by life if you mean the Roe issue, maybe it’s just not as important to him as say it is to a Santorum. Not that I think Santorum is going to be on the ballot for POTUS in the fall.
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Yes I’m talking about Roe in this context.

From what I’ve read about Romney, he switches back and forth between pro-life and pro-choice; that doesn’t seem very pro-life to me.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Yes I’m talking about Roe in this context.

From what I’ve read about Romney, he switches back and forth between pro-life and pro-choice; that doesn’t seem very pro-life to me.
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I edited my post after seeing you speak of other issues. But I hear ya.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Paul defends Romney on ‘poor’ comment:

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/04/paul-defends-romney-on-poor-comment/
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I agree that Romney cares about the poor. But I don’t think he cares about doing anything to help them through his economic policies. But there is always more we can do to help the poor. The fact that they have a safety net isn’t good enough imho. What we do to the poor we do to Christ, so I think we should do as much for the poor as possible, and we should always be concerned about them more than the rest of society.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
I agree that Romney cares about the poor. But I don’t think he cares about doing anything to help them through his economic policies. But there is always more we can do to help the poor. The fact that they have a safety net isn’t good enough imho. What we do to the poor we do to Christ, so I think we should do as much for the poor as possible, and we should always be concerned about them more than the rest of society.
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I heard tonight the timing of Romney’s “poor and if the safety net is broken” comment had no effect in NV and that a large number of NV Republican caucus goers had made up their minds last yr. I’m not thinking it will but I wonder if it will in future Republican primary contests.
 
CMatt25 said:
I heard tonight the timing of Romney’s “poor and if the safety net is broken” comment had no effect in NV and that a large number of NV Republican caucus goers had made up their minds last yr. I’m not thinking it will but I wonder if it will in future Republican primary contests.
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I doubt it. I think the Republicans have found their man barring anything catastrophic.
 
ringil said:
So you will simply discount any point made. It is worthless to engage you on this issue.
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I am still waiting for you to post a link to any Church document or any member of the Magestrium to back up your statements.
 
estesbob said:
I am still waiting for you to post a link to any Church document or any member of the Magestrium to back up your statements.
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Once I figure out how to ignore on this darn thing you will be part of my CAF past. I believe you care about the unborn and I admire that. God Bless.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Pro-life is a packed word. Pro-life for abortion only? What about after abortion? Euthanasia? Contraception? (Please, no one give me cr*p for this) War and the Death Penalty? How about poverty and hunger?

You have to take these things into consideration and how many people also die from those each year.

But I still don’t know how you can vote for Obama after all of this.

I feel like I’m playing devil’s advocate. :D:D:p
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Not giving cr*p, but I will point out that both the major parties are pro-death penalty, and both the major parties have and will wage war. There is no difference on either of those issues. And, of course, they are not cut-and-dry life issues, as abortion and euthanasia are. Regarding contraception, the only difference is that the Democrats are in favor of teaching contraception to our kids in schools versus abstinence education which is favored by many Republicans.

On poverty and hunger, both parties are in favor of decreasing poverty and hunger, but they go about it in different ways. The methods of combatting poverty and hunger are a matter for prudential judgement. That said, the Compendium of the Social Doctrine is closer to the Republican Party stance - that government should not subsitute itself for other non-governmental functions and that subsidiarity should always be considered.
 
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