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Scott_Lafrance said:
So your property REALLY belongs to the government. You pay a tribute, called property taxes, for the priviledge of them allowing you to live there.
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That sticks in MY craw as well, Scott. How did local governments come to gain such power? It's the anti-thesis of America's values. :confused: Rob
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
You can never really “own” your property. Even if you pay off the mortgage, the county can and will put a lien and begin confiscation proceedings if you stop paying your property taxes.
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Yup. And this caused many foreclosures in the last couple of years. Houses still hand empty and now the community gets nothing except depressed housing prices.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So your property REALLY belongs to the government. You pay a tribute, called property taxes, for the priviledge of them allowing you to live there.
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Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.

This doesn’t describe “tribute”
 
gilliam said:
Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.
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Most of them are automatic.
 
ProVobis said:
The reason why you’re given candidates to vote on is because they want you to vote for candidates. If there is a vote for the general party somewhere on the ballot, then it would be a different matter. I know several Democrats who are pro-life and some Republicans who are pro-choice. Saying GOP or DEM does this or not doesn’t mean every candidate follows his party’s platform to the letter. But you knew that, I hope.
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True there are individuals in both parties that promote heresy…to them. The Pro Life Democrat is no more welcome in his party than the Pro Abortion Republican. In reality having watched politics for literally decades, I see a real tightening of both sides. Fewer and fewer Republicans are Pro Abortion. I can’t name one frankly although they might be out there somewhere! None of the presidential candidates from the GOP, even back when we had 10 vying for the spot, were Pro Abortion.

Similarly the Pro Life Democrat has gone the way of the dinosaur. Tell me when we last had a Democrat Presidential candidate who was Pro Life? The few who exist in Congress are ineffective at getting the Dems to soften their party at all. It was thanks to the “Pro Life Democrats” led by Bart Stupak that we got Obamacare in the first place. Had he held strong and demanded the anti-abortion provisions be written into the legislation, it would have gone down to defeat as there is no way the Dems would allow it to pass unless they could preserve their “Sacred Rights”

Sure I would vote for a Democrat if he/she had the kind of positions I could support on life issues as well as other issues. I have no problem with a D vs an R. Just haven’t seen ANY truly ProLife Dems out there speaking the truth. Have you?

Lisa
 
gilliam said:
Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.

This doesn’t describe “tribute”
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I tried to say that 🤷 For example, as I posted above, my property taxes are a bit less than those paid by city dwellers. But I don’t get garbage pickup, animal control and other services that those who live in the city get. But my taxes still go towards funding the public schools in my county…
 
Rence said:
I tried to say that 🤷 For example, as I posted above, my property taxes are a bit less than those paid by city dwellers. But I don’t get garbage pickup, animal control and other services that those who live in the city get. But my taxes still go towards funding the public schools in my county…
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What happens if you stop paying your property taxes.
 
gilliam said:
Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.

This doesn’t describe “tribute”
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What happens if you stop paying your taxes?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
What happens if you stop paying your taxes?
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They put a lien on your property to collect.

What happens if you stop paying your morgage?

Scott, you need to pay for services rendered or expected. Surely Libertarians know that. I keep thinking of the old addage of mine: “Libertarians are Democrats who don’t want to pay taxes.”
 
gilliam said:
Your not the only one:
What I’d love to see at tonight’s debate: Ashes

a contact at the Santorum campaign says he has no idea whether Santorum will wear ashes this evening and Guy Benson says Newt Gingrich has confirmed that he won’t be attending Mass today and, so, won’t be wearing ashes tonight.

By the way: Ash Wednesday is not a Holy Day of Obligation
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man, that video, those anchors, man…oh man…

http://www.motifake.com/image/demot...lm-fail-demotivational-posters-1310644617.jpg
 
gilliam said:
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They put a lien on your property to collect.

What happens if you stop paying your morgage?

Scott, you need to pay for services rendered or expected. Surely Libertarians know that. I keep thinking of the old addage of mine: “Libertarians are Democrats who don’t want to pay taxes.”
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Haha I’ve also heard Libertarians are Democrats who want to smoke dope and use drugs without any legal ramifications.

BTW have learned from experience that if there is ANY liability on property taxes your lender can make a huge prepayment of the next year’s taxes and then increase your payments without your agreement (oh probably in the fine print somewhere) I somehow underpaid my $4800 property tax bill by $38.62. When I got the bill for the next year I added the $38.62 to the check and thought I was clear. Nope…my bank WELLS FARGO FWIW barraged me with letters about my unpaid property taxes then without request from the county sent them two years’ worth of property taxes (county refunded them) and then told me my payment would go up $500 a month to pay for this. Just a warning that it’s not only the county who can get you for “unpaid property taxes.” It all got straightened out eventually but took a long time. You know the song…Beware the Taxman!

Lisa
 
gilliam said:
Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.

This doesn’t describe “tribute”
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How about having a choice of what I do with the money I earn? Why should a mob be allowed to vote that my money is taken at gun point? Why do I have to pay for services I don’t want? Why can’t I shop those services around? I also disagree with the term police protection. The supreme court ruled that the police have no obligation to protect you. Their function is law enforcment, not protection.

It’s much more moral to have a voluntary society. Private property is essential for true liberty.
 
Ron Paul of course, though I’m confident that the eventual winner’s name will rhyme with nominee.
 
LisaA said:
The few who exist in Congress are ineffective at getting the Dems to soften their party at all. It was thanks to the “Pro Life Democrats” led by Bart Stupak that we got Obamacare in the first place.
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The Senate wouldn’t go along with the Stupak Amendment. Actually there was no need to as there was no public option in the Senate bill. (Private insurance has always been allowed to cover abortions.) But for the record there were 64 Democrats who voted for the Stupak Amendment when it was offered and meant something. And most of the pro-life Democrats were voted out of office, whether they voted for the final bill or not. (And that was my point.) The pro-choicers were mostly if not all re-elected.

As for the GOP, look at the profiles of those who were elected in pro-choice districts or states, like Illinois or Massachusetts. They may vote for what their leaders tell them to vote for but I wouldn’t call them exactly all hardline pro-lifers who would initiate bills like the Sanctity of Life bill. Most of them are just pro-status-quo and keep their mouths shut.

It takes more than a Republican Congress, a Republican White House, and Republican Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade. But we know that already.
 
ProVobis said:
The Senate wouldn’t go along with the Stupak Amendment. Actually there was no need to as there was no public option in the Senate bill. (Private insurance has always been allowed to cover abortions.) But for the record there were 64 Democrats who voted for the Stupak Amendment when it was offered and meant something. And most of the pro-life Democrats were voted out of office, whether they voted for the final bill or not. (And that was my point.) The pro-choicers were mostly if not all re-elected.

As for the GOP, look at the profiles of those who were elected in pro-choice districts or states, like Illinois or Massachusetts. They may vote for what their leaders tell them to vote for but I wouldn’t call them exactly all hardline pro-lifers who would initiate bills like the Sanctity of Life bill. Most of them are just pro-status-quo and keep their mouths shut.

It takes more than a Republican Congress, a Republican White House, and Republican Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade. But we know that already.
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Don’t forget about how Roe v Wade came into existence in the first place. It was passed on a count with 6 GOP appointed justices, 5 of whom ruled for Roe. It is very interesting how “pro-life” groups focus so much attention on pro-life Democrats. Have they succeeded in removing any pro-choice Republicans or pro-choice Democrats?
 
gilliam said:
Property taxes go towards local services (e.g., Fire and Police protection) People normally have a choice where they purchase property and can avoid property taxes (and those services.) Normally increases in property taxes are voted on by the people.

This doesn’t describe “tribute”
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Sure it does. Tribute to the Roman Senate and the mob instead of the Emperor, but tribute nonetheless.

The government should get one and only one bite at the tax apple. All the other taxes should go away. This would force everyone to look at the same set of numbers and prioritize out in the open what it is that we truly need to the government to do.

No more nickel and diming people. Of course, this will never happen. The progressives will never freely relinquish control and there are plenty of system people in the middle or on the right who simply can’t envision the kind of liberty this country used to enjoy (imperfect though it might have been).
 
ProVobis said:
The Senate wouldn’t go along with the Stupak Amendment. Actually there was no need to as there was no public option in the Senate bill. (Private insurance has always been allowed to cover abortions.) But for the record there were 64 Democrats who voted for the Stupak Amendment when it was offered and meant something. And most of the pro-life Democrats were voted out of office, whether they voted for the final bill or not. (And that was my point.) The pro-choicers were mostly if not all re-elected.

As for the GOP, look at the profiles of those who were elected in pro-choice districts or states, like Illinois or Massachusetts. They may vote for what their leaders tell them to vote for but I wouldn’t call them exactly all hardline pro-lifers who would initiate bills like the Sanctity of Life bill. Most of them are just pro-status-quo and keep their mouths shut.

It takes more than a Republican Congress, a Republican White House, and Republican Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade. But we know that already.
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  1. Yes but if Stupak and his group had voted NO Obamacare would not have passed. He accepted that worthless Executive Order and voted for that monstrosity. And I’m glad he was voted out for being such a tool of the Left. Serves him right. He is publically speaking out that he was duped and is sorry he voted yes…too little too late.
  2. Name some Pro Choice Republicans?
  3. I don’t know if Roe v Wade will ever be overturned and I think we have to focus on something else instead of holding out for that or nothing.
LIsa
 
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