Republican Primary

[ProVobis]

But my taxes still go towards funding the public schools in my county…

Catholic schools manage to run without taxing.

Or at least they used to before public school teaching demanded six-figure salaries and high five-figure pensions.

 

[ProVobis]

1. Yes but if Stupak and his group had voted NO Obamacare would not have passed.

And if it hadn’t passed, private insurance would still be covering abortions. Give Stupak some credit for trying at his political (and physical) risk.

1. Name some Pro Choice Republicans?

How about that California Governor who signed a pro-abortion bill in 1967, getting the ball rolling on what would be the Roe vs Wade issue.

His name? Ronald Reagan.

 

[LovePatience]

1. I don’t know if Roe v Wade will ever be overturned and I think we have to focus on something else instead of holding out for that or nothing.

LIsa

The only developed countries where abortion is illegal are Catholic countries. As developing countries evolve, they tend to loosen their laws to allow more restrictions, partially due to pressure from the west, i.e. Mexico or South Africa.

Here is the breakdown of who ruled on Roe v. Wade the last time it was upheld, Planned Parenthood vs. Casey by religion. And who brought the case to the court, Democrat Catholic Bob Casey.

Pro-Roe
Sandra Day O’Connor - Episcopal - Reagan
Harry Blackmun - Methodist - Nixon
Anthony Kennedy - Catholic - Reagan
David Souter - Episcopal - Bush
John Stevens - Protestantism - Nixon

Against-Roe
Rehnquist - Lutheran - Nixon
Byron White - Catholic - Kennedy
Antonin Scalia - Catholic - Reagan
Clarence Thomas - Catholic - Bush

Hmmm… based on Pew Research Center surveys conducted from January 2006 to September 2006, 25.2% of the American population claim to be followers of the Catholic Church (of a national population of 300 million residents).

It seems that either more non-Catholics need to be committed to this cause or Catholics need their values to become more mainstream.

 

[LisaA]

And if it hadn’t passed, private insurance would still be covering abortions. Give Stupak some credit for trying at his political (and physical) risk.

How about that California Governor who signed a pro-abortion bill in 1967, getting the ball rolling on the Roe vs Wade issue.

His name? Ronald Reagan.

ProVobis the issue isn’t that private insurance covers abortions, the issue is that Obamacare is a MONSTROSITY. A NIGHTMARE. Thank you Bart Stupak for capitulating and foisting this 3000 page horror show on this country. That is what I referred to. He could have stopped it. He was weak and succumbed to pressure from the Dems.

Yes Ronald Reagan said it was his greatest regret. He is not the only person who moved from a pro choice stance. It was 1967. Were you even alive then? THings have changed, we know more now than we did then. One of the greatest tools in the anti abortion chest is the ability to visualize a baby in the womb at very early stages. Many of us and I will confess I was one of them fell for the “it’s a blob of tissue” argument. I have learned differently and so have many.

Quit living in the past if you want to get anything done now. We can’t change what Ronald Reagan did over 40 years ago! THat he changed from the dark side and became a staunch supporter of life has made a difference. I truly think he was the one who made the Republican platform a pro life platform. Better that than maintain his earlier flawed philosophy.

Lisa

 

[mlund]

Don’t forget about how Roe v Wade came into existence in the first place. It was passed on a count with 6 GOP appointed justices, 5 of whom ruled for Roe.

Note that most of the judges prior to Roe were appointed in a political scene where the idea of the Supreme Court magically fabricating the “right” to kill unborn babies was the stuff of wild conspiracy theories and “fear-mongering.”

• Marty lund

 

[yogicat]

Tonight! Thanks for posting this, now to find if CNN will be streaming it live online anywhere…oh to have cable! I hope Santorum really goes no holds barred, this is his chance to soar. I’ll be praying!

 

[ProVobis]

Were you even alive then? THings have changed, we know more now than we did then. One of the greatest tools in the anti abortion chest is the ability to visualize a baby in the womb at very early stages.

You’re joking, right? The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago had actual fetuses (feti) at various stages in its display jars back in the 50’s. Used to draw big crowds. I was in grade school then. They knew what they were doing in the 60’s and 70’s. Roe vs Wade wasn’t an overnight decision.

 

[_Abyssinia]

In debate, Santorum must prove electability

dailycaller.com/2012/02/21/in-debate-santorum-must-prove-electability/

 

[scipio337]

And if it hadn’t passed, private insurance would still be covering abortions. Give Stupak some credit for trying at his political (and physical) risk.

How about that California Governor who signed a pro-abortion bill in 1967, getting the ball rolling on what would be the Roe vs Wade issue.

His name? Ronald Reagan.

Revisionist history. That one bill aside (with unintended consequences, a lot of conservatives support the right to “choose” when the life of the mother is in question), Reagan’s legacy was solidly pro life.

Some of the history around the 1967 law, and (name removed by moderator)ut from Reagan biographers.

lifenews.com/2008/03/11/nat-3790/

Reagan’s writings in 1983, published in the National Review.

old.nationalreview.com/document/reagan200406101030.asp

 

[Rence]

Catholic schools manage to run without taxing.

Or at least they used to before public school teaching demanded six-figure salaries and high five-figure pensions.

Catholic schools should manage to run without taxing because they charge a hefty tuition. The “tuition” for public schools is paid for by the community in the form of taxes.

 

[LisaA]

You’re joking, right? The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago had actual fetuses (feti) at various stages in its display jars back in the 50’s. Used to draw big crowds. I was in grade school then. They knew what they were doing in the 60’s and 70’s. Roe vs Wade wasn’t an overnight decision.

No I am not joking. Please check the publications. Routine use of ultrasound and other ways of seeing the child in the womb have been considered among the most effective methods of reducing abortions. Sorry not everyone can visit the Museum of Science and Industry. Very few people had access to this science until relatively recently.

Have you read Roe? It is an exercise in gyrations and conflagations and machinations in th effort to find the right to murder unborn babies in the “pneumbra” of the “right to privacy.” The seeds of Roe were not planted by Reagan but by the justices that conjured up this piece of breaded air in the 1890s I think. Science was not really a factor in the decision else they might have come to a different conclusion. Perhaps they should have visited the Museum!

Anyway all water over the dam…we need to continue to fight abortion with facts and feelings.

Lisa

 

[ProVobis]

That one bill aside

Sure, sign a bill into law and then wash your hands of it. So what’s new in politics?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

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They put a lien on your property to collect.

What happens if you stop paying your morgage?

Scott, you need to pay for services rendered or expected. Surely Libertarians know that. I keep thinking of the old addage of mine: “Libertarians are Democrats who don’t want to pay taxes.”

Ya, I don’t think so.

If you don’t have a mortgage, i.e., you have a deed to your home, and do not pay your property taxes, the county will put a lien on your income taxes and if that isn’t paid they will take the property. Regardless of what services are rendered or none at all. That means that the property isn’t really yours, it belongs to the county.

 

[LisaA]

Catholic schools should manage to run without taxing because they charge a hefty tuition. The “tuition” for public schools is paid for by the community in the form of taxes.

They may CHARGE a hefty tuition but I assure you there are many ‘scholarship’ students at these schools. Most of these schools are running around raising money to cover students whose parents can’t afford to pay.

I am a total fan of VOUCHERS which are incredibly fair (except to the teachers unions). Each child is given a credit of $X to use at the school of his or her choice. The vouchers are funded by tax dollars but not specifically allocated ONLY to public schools. I think it is unfair to make parents pay twice to school their children. This would also give children who couldn’t otherwise afford private school a better chance in life. Plus if the public schools had some competition they might improve! Great article about how much better the results from Catholic schools…it’s no contest!

Lis

 

[pnewton]

This is all just petty IMOHO…people just don’t want to pay their taxes to finance the city’s expenses because they’re going to pick away at the policies becaues of their own decisions to not use this that or the other service, despite the fact that others are using them and the taxes are there to support the city’s expenses for running the city. Just petty IMOHO…

Yes, what you are describing is petty, in that they are a small amounts. In theory, you are right about garbage service, except it is such a small amount. However, school tuition and taxes run in the thousands. I will never consider it right for me to pay both school taxes, tuition and taxes on tuition. I think all that do not understand this are themselves being petty.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

They may CHARGE a hefty tuition but I assure you there are many ‘scholarship’ students at these schools. Most of these schools are running around raising money to cover students whose parents can’t afford to pay.

I am a total fan of VOUCHERS which are incredibly fair (except to the teachers unions). Each child is given a credit of $X to use at the school of his or her choice. The vouchers are funded by tax dollars but not specifically allocated ONLY to public schools. I think it is unfair to make parents pay twice to school their children. This would also give children who couldn’t otherwise afford private school a better chance in life. Plus if the public schools had some competition they might improve! Great article about how much better the results from Catholic schools…it’s no contest!

Lis

Yes, I agree with the voucher program. Why can’t homeschoolers get vouchers? But to your point, private schools function perfectly well without taxpayer money, the funding is from voluntary contributions of the student’s parents who are really paying for school twice, once in property taxes and then again in tuition.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Catholic schools should manage to run without taxing because they charge a hefty tuition. The “tuition” for public schools is paid for by the community in the form of taxes.

Great point. Except that (at least out here) Catholic schools cost less than public schools (per student).

And, it still doesn’t answer why I should have to pay for a service that I’m not using.
Heck, I would be happy if they just cut my extortion…err…taxes for public schools in half.

 

[LisaA]

Yes, I agree with the voucher program. Why can’t homeschoolers get vouchers? But to your point, private schools function perfectly well without taxpayer money, the funding is from voluntary contributions of the student’s parents who are really paying for school twice, once in property taxes and then again in tuition.

Which is EXACTLY the problem that the voucher system would eliminate! I don’t think parents should pay twice. The dollars should follow the child to whatever school the parents choose for their child. Further a voucher system would allow more children to access these schools. You know the Dems…all about poor children UNLESS this interferes with the teachers’ union agenda.

Lisa

 

[estesbob]

And if it hadn’t passed, private insurance would still be covering abortions. Give Stupak some credit for trying at his political (and physical) risk.

He betrayed his supporters , he paid the price. I do give him credit for voting for a bill that is being used to attack the Catholic Church

How about that California Governor who signed a pro-abortion bill in 1967, getting the ball rolling on what would be the Roe vs Wade issue.

His name? Ronald Reagan.

So?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yes, what you are describing is petty, in that they are a small amounts. In theory, you are right about garbage service, except it is such a small amount. However, school tuition and taxes run in the thousands. I will never consider it right for me to pay both school taxes, tuition and taxes on tuition. I think all that do not understand this are themselves being petty.

Right, I have no problem paying for what are legitimate services of government, namely, repair of public roadways, police and fire coverage, things that affect everyone regardless of status. Why should someone who has no children pay thousands of dollars in taxes for public schooling?