Republican senator announces support for gay marriage

[livnlern]

I didn’t say that it wasn’t wrong…what I said was that the comparisons that get made are ridiculous and are one of the reasons that people don’t listen to us.

When you equate the actions of two consenting adults with the actions of an adult raping a child or wanting to marry their dog you lose credibility with the secular world.

Be bold…compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because that’s really where it belongs. It’s sex outside of marriage.

True, it is outside of marriage. But it is more disordered than pre-marital sex. Pre-marital sex can end in marriage. Homosexual sex cannot and a person who gives in to those tendencies can’t live a normal life according to what God has planned for them.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Group marriage is next, admits Dutch ‘father’ of gay ‘marriage’

Yet some gay marriage proponents think traditional marriage advocates are paranoid for saying redefining marriage would lead to further redefinition

 

[_Abyssinia]

Leaving apart the question of whether marriage law should be changed, this strikes me as a problematic approach. I mean, marriage law should be changed or it shouldn’t be changed — but it shouldn’t hinge on the sexual attractions of one senator’s son, should it?

What if a conservative senator said, “I’m reversing my views on whether abortion should be legal because my daughter got pregnant and wished she weren’t.”

One of the fascinating things about society today is that personal experience trumps everything else in argumentation. Very few people seem to care about fundamental truths and principles while everyone seems to care about personal experience and emotion. It’s the Oprahfication of political philosophy.

Should a conservative determine good policy this way?

ricochet.com/main-feed/Marriage-Law-and-the-Oprahfication-of-Politics

 

[Seeker1961]

True, it is outside of marriage. But it is more disordered than pre-marital sex. Pre-marital sex can end in marriage. Homosexual sex cannot and a person who gives in to those tendencies can’t live a normal life according to what God has planned for them.

oh please… we don’t compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because too many people sitting in those pews practiced or are practicing pre-marital sex and we’re afraid of offending them. It has NOTHING to do with where pre-marital sex can end up. It just hits too close to home.

 

[ringil]

Rand Paul’s take on what to do about so-called “Same Sex Marriage”.

Rand Paul says tax code should remove mention of marriage

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that while he believes in the “historic and religious definition of marriage,” he believes the federal tax code should be reformed in a way to make it “more neutral” and not exclude same-sex couples.

“I’m an old-fashioned traditionalist. I believe in the historic and religious definition of marriage,” Paul said in an interview with the National Review. “That being said, I’m not for eliminating contracts between adults. I think there are ways to make the tax code more neutral, so it doesn’t mention marriage. Then we don’t have to redefine what marriage is; we just don’t have marriage in the tax code.”

Read more: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/287991-rand-paul-says-tax-code-should-remove-mention-of-marriage#ixzz2Nc58i3A6

I think I could deal with that.

Marriage is a religious matter.

 

[Presurmksdimnds]

This only shows me he was a man that lacked conviction in in the first place.

 

[fix]

This only shows me he was a man that lacked conviction in in the first place.

Good point.

 

[iamrefreshed]

oh please… we don’t compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because too many people sitting in those pews practiced or are practicing pre-marital sex and we’re afraid of offending them. It has NOTHING to do with where pre-marital sex can end up. It just hits too close to home.

Can you give us tommow’s Lotto numbers too?

 

[Seeker1961]

Can you give us tommow’s Lotto numbers too?

Sure, deny it all you want. Make jokes…that’ll really make it not true.

We can keep our heads in the sand, we can blame the media, we can whine and cry about people “persecuting” us, we can call everyone who disagrees with us lazy, evil and selfish and then we can sit around and watch while what little influence and credibility the Church has left goes down the drain.

Or is that what people here really want? Do we really want to keep it all for ourselves? Just us pure and holy folks?

 

[livnlern]

oh please… we don’t compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because too many people sitting in those pews practiced or are practicing pre-marital sex and we’re afraid of offending them. It has NOTHING to do with where pre-marital sex can end up. It just hits too close to home.

Why do you think it’s called “pre-marital” sex? Because the people involved (heterosexuals) have the option of getting married and making it right.
Like it or not, homosexuals can never have sex and then get married and make it right.
This has nothing to do with who or how many people are having sex outside of marriage and whether or not they would be offended by hearing that this is a sin and is wrong.
This all has to do with creating a family, as is in God’s plan for us. An unmarried couple has taken no marriage vows, taken part in no sacrament, so if they have children together without God’s blessing of marriage, they’re more likely to split up. Yes, I know the divorce rates are high but I can tell you firsthand that marriage vows taken are very helpful to a marriage union.
Homosexual couples can never take these marriage vows before God and so the whole purpose of a sexual union is meaningless and wrong.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

oh please… we don’t compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because too many people sitting in those pews practiced or are practicing pre-marital sex and we’re afraid of offending them. It has NOTHING to do with where pre-marital sex can end up. It just hits too close to home.

They simply are not on equal footing. The Church doesn;t even teach that in terms of gravity.

And the fact is, again, LGBT and gay marriage advodactes are the ones making this an issue. You cannot blame the Church for standing up and fighting back when that is what we are called to do by God. There are no efforts to force legal entities or society to confer special benefits onto non-married couples en mase the way they are with gay couples. There are no pre-maritalk sex pride days. We are dedicating school days to the study of of major pre-marital sexualist contributions.

 

[_Abyssinia]

NOM’s Peters Responds to Sen. Portman Announcement

NOM’s Communications Director Thomas Peters was interviewed by Politico to respond to the news that Sen. Rob Portman has chosen to abandon his view on marriage:

A spokesman for the National Organization for Marriage on Friday slammed Sen. Rob Portman, who has announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his long-held opposition to the issue.

“What Mr. Portman is doing is shrinking the size of the GOP tent,” charged Thomas Peters, a spokesman for the socially conservative NOM, in an interview with POLITICO. “I think it will have huge consequences if he chooses to run again.”

Peters, speaking with POLITICO at CPAC, said that opposition to same-sex marriage unites religious and social conservatives on both sides of the aisle, and also resonates with demographics that include parts of the Latino community.

…Peters charged that if Portman has presidential ambitions of his own, the new stance on gay marriage will torpedo those hopes.

“As far as Sen. Portman and presidential chances, I think he can say goodbye to those,” Peters said. He added that while it’s too early to say what impact this policy shift could have on a 2016 re-election bid for Senate, “we can say that every time a Republican has come out for gay marriage, he ignites the grassroots.”

Ryan Anderson has also responded at Heritage’s blog.

nomblog.com/33894

 

[Birdpreacher]

Don’t forget, many of these marriages are also not faithful. Most same-sex relationships do not last long without bringing other into the bedroom. Promiscuity is an open secret in the gay community. They want marriage for legal benefits (tax breaks, health care, adoption rights), not because they want to stay together and only be with each other for life.

Utter Malarky

Never seen any data stating Gays are just in it for the money and dying to fool around on their spouses (now us straight people’s 50% divorce rate may state otherwise).

Maybe just maybe for devil’s advocate sake, you are referring to homosexuality in the 80s-when it was far more taboo and society put more pressure on gays not to exist. Pressure which made it harder for monogamy perhaps?

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Utter Malarky

Never seen any data stating Gays are just in it for the money and dying to fool around on their spouses (now us straight people’s 50% divorce rate may state otherwise).

Maybe just maybe for devil’s advocate sake, you are referring to homosexuality in the 80s-when it was far more taboo and society put more pressure on gays not to exist. Pressure which made it harder for monogamy perhaps?

While promiscutiy is rampant, I can’t say I know their individual motivations, but in the end, they are irrelevant.

You simply don’t tolerate evil in the perceived hopes of some good.

 

[BigBlueCane]

Its a brave thing Portman did and its good to see that when confronted with it in his own family he came to the conclusion that most people are coming to.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Its a brave thing Portman did and its good to see that when confronted with it in his own family he came to the conclusion that most people are coming to.

Yeah, God encourages us to abandon His teachings when they become awkward and uncomfortable.

 

[BigBlueCane]

Yeah, God encourages us to abandon His teachings when they become awkward and uncomfortable.

Yeah in your world "God’ would want Portman to go out and disown his son for the horrible “sin” of being gay.

 

[twoshoes]

This is what always bothered me about politics. How can your position change so profoundly about an issue? It tends to make me believe that these viewpoints were never justified by morality. This compromise of morality is what I feel those in the religious world should avoid at all cost.

Even I would not support someone who is against Homosexual marriage if I knew that that person did not have a sound reason for believing in it. If your reasons for being against homosexual marriage is due to bigotry, hate, and ignorance it’s just as wrong.

It would seem on the republican side few have strong moral positions, they are like a lief in the wind. The democrats put very little moral value on any thing, only the position that if it feels good do it. I guess that is why you can never put your faith in a politican, put your faith in God.

 

[BigBlueCane]

It would seem on the republican side few have strong moral positions, they are like a lief in the wind. The democrats put very little moral value on any thing, only the position that if it feels good do it. I guess that is why you can never put your faith in a politican, put your faith in God.

First I take offense to your statement that Democrats never put morality in their beliefs. You don’t know the hearts or intentions of democrats who tirelessly for things they strongly believe. Second, politicians are elected to run a system of government not to preach a value set of morals. That is what your church is for. Don’t confuse the two.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Why do you think it’s called “pre-marital” sex? Because the people involved (heterosexuals) have the option of getting married and making it right.
Like it or not, homosexuals can never have sex and then get married and make it right.
This has nothing to do with who or how many people are having sex outside of marriage and whether or not they would be offended by hearing that this is a sin and is wrong.
This all has to do with creating a family, as is in God’s plan for us. An unmarried couple has taken no marriage vows, taken part in no sacrament, so if they have children together without God’s blessing of marriage, they’re more likely to split up. Yes, I know the divorce rates are high but I can tell you firsthand that marriage vows taken are very helpful to a marriage union.
Homosexual couples can never take these marriage vows before God and so the whole purpose of a sexual union is meaningless and wrong.

Our society has decided that marriage does not need to be fruitful. Actually, our society has decided that the lack of marriage can be fruitful and that’s just fine. We are so screwed up as a society I don’t even know where to begin.

God help us all.