Republican senator announces support for gay marriage

[bellasbane]

oh please… we don’t compare homosexual sex with pre-marital sex because too many people sitting in those pews practiced or are practicing pre-marital sex and we’re afraid of offending them. It has NOTHING to do with where pre-marital sex can end up. It just hits too close to home.

You are correct about premarital sex (i.e. fornication). The Bishops lump quite a few sexual sins in same category:

Because of both Original Sin and personal sin, moral disorder is all too common in our world. There are a variety of acts, such as adultery, fornication, masturbation, and contraception, that violate the proper ends of human sexuality. Homosexual acts also violate the true purpose of sexuality.
thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=13449

What puzzles me is why we never hear about the evils of masturbation.

 

[JimG]

You are correct about premarital sex (i.e. fornication). The Bishops lump quite a few sexual sins in same category:

Because of both Original Sin and personal sin, moral disorder is all too common in our world. There are a variety of acts, such as adultery, fornication, masturbation, and contraception, that violate the proper ends of human sexuality. Homosexual acts also violate the true purpose of sexuality.
thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=13449

What puzzles me is why we never hear about the evils of masturbation.

We don’t? The Church’s stance on sexual morality is pretty clear. Masturbation, pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, adultery, contraception, are all grave sins.

If adulterers were pressing for equality with spouses when it came to federal marriage benefits, I think the Church would oppose that. If it were proposed that self-marriage should be available for those addicted to masturbation, the Church would no doubt oppose that. If pre-marital sex were to be treated exactly the same as marriage, the Church would oppose that. If polygamy is proposed, the Church will oppose that.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Yeah in your world "God’ would want Portman to go out and disown his son for the horrible “sin” of being gay.

Always extremes with you and your ilk. No, I’d expect Portman to love his son and support him, but stand by God’s truth. Much like we do with our children EVERY OTHER TIME when they go astray.

Are you planning on parenting that way; when your kid does something you disagree with, suddenly change your mind and tell them “good job, kid!” That’s some might fine parenting.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

You are correct about premarital sex (i.e. fornication). The Bishops lump quite a few sexual sins in same category:

Because of both Original Sin and personal sin, moral disorder is all too common in our world. There are a variety of acts, such as adultery, fornication, masturbation, and contraception, that violate the proper ends of human sexuality. Homosexual acts also violate the true purpose of sexuality.
thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=13449

What puzzles me is why we never hear about the evils of masturbation.

Maybe when you see the pro masturbation crowd demanding extra rights for their illicit behavior, and prancing around in parades wearing drag, and interrupting Masses?

How many times must it be pointed out to you?

 

[livingwordunity]

Those in favor of changing the definition of marriage only have emotion as their argument.

 

[josh987654321]

When I first came to this site ‘Catholic Answers’ I came here to find a way in which I can preach to people in a loving and humble way, why I oppose ‘Homosexual Marriage’ so that they would also oppose it with me, WE NEED TO BE UNITED ON THIS … PLEASE! otherwise the consequences of our actions will be on our children and their children.

I had no idea that the same debates would be going on here amongst christians, at least the majority understand, but those who are arguing ‘for’ same sex relations and are christian please consider these facts.

The city of Sidon was destroyed when lot lived because the people there were practicing homosexuality and other kinds of sexualy immoral acts, so we know where God stands on this issue.

If you are a Christian, than understand that in no way does Christ support the acts of homosexuality (Don’t twist my words, of course he supports and loves homosexuals with the rest of us, just not the acts of homosexuality).

I mean common!, what are we thinking, I thought all Christians would be united on this issue, do you read the gospels and say “well no one mentioned anything about homosexuals to Jesus so that makes it okay”?

The people in the Gospels never said anything, because it was common knowledge, they all knew what had happened to the city of Sidon when Lot lived, had they of mentioned it of course Jesus would have very much objected to the acts of homosexuality.

Ask yourselves these questions -

How do you define ‘Marriage’?

How will you teach the definition of ‘Marriage’ to your children?

Will it be okay for the Law to make up their own definition of ‘Marriage’ and teach it to our children?

If you are married or when you get married, will you care about what that means?

I care about marriage, the word marriage holds great value to me, will it be okay for people to recognise ‘marriage’ as “a contract by law” or “union of choice” that can be easily made and broken and which only has to do with the law and nothing to do with God?

Or would you prefer the word ‘Marriage’ be taught as a very special union of a Man and a Women, under God, until death do they part?

The word Marriage should have nothing to do with the Law, because it’s not a word for them to define and they are Ignorant of it’s meaning.

Just because we fail to meet chirsts standards, does not mean that we should lower them.

People don’t seem to understand that marriage is everything, it’s the basis of our society, healthy marriges means healthy households which means a healthy society.

If you claim that it’s discrimination to be against ‘Homosexual Marriage’ then you have been fooled by lies, it’s actually discrimination to be ‘for’ ‘Homosexual Marriage’ I don’t force my beliefs onto others, so I don’t expect them to force their beliefs of marriage onto me and everyone else through changing the law.

Anyway, I could say alot more but the thing is I don’t know everything about God or everything about homosexuality, but I do know that the city of Sidon was destroyed because of it.

Ever heard of “the straw that broke the camels back”?

I’ll leave you with this, that should shake the conciences of those who support homosexual marriage:

**Grace (age 11) bravely reminded the MN House Civil Law Committee that redefining marriage sends the message that one of her parents doesn’t matter in the eyes of the law.

She asked them: “Which parent don’t I need, my mom or my dad?”

The committee had no answer for her and passed the bill on to the House floor anyway.**

If we give homosexual unions the same rights as hetrosexual mariages, than you are basically saying that they are just as good as one another and that even in a healthy household with a Mother and Father is no different to a household of just a mother or a father, so you are saying that we don’t need one opposite sex parent, which one our mothers or our fathers?

So it’s only right to discriminate against homosexual’s when it comes to equal rights with hetrosexual marriages, because every child has a right to a mother and a father, it’s not right to intentionaly cripple them, and those who have been raised without a mother or father will of course say that it’s okay, because they know no different.

There are many desires that people have, that’s why we learn temperance (control over our desires) so homosexuals should aim for temperance with the rest of us, not acceptance, many of us fall short of Gods glory, but we shouldn’t be saying that it’s okay.

I apologise if I have offended anyone, I am trying all that I can to help people see that to be for ‘Homosexual Marriage’ is a big mistake, and they will not realise until it is too late.

If you know of better words to oppose same sex marriage’s than please let me know, because we should all be united in finding a way to oppose same sex marriage in a way similar to how Christ would.

Thank You for reading
Josh

 

[livnlern]

Our society has decided that marriage does not need to be fruitful. Actually, our society has decided that the lack of marriage can be fruitful and that’s just fine. We are so screwed up as a society I don’t even know where to begin.

God help us all.

I agree with you that things look pretty grim in today’s world. Society keeps pushing the envelope for what’s acceptable and condemns anyone who dares to be “intolerant”.
But as Catholics, we have to do what we can to stand up to our screwed up society.
The world hates us, but hated Jesus before us. We need to pray for more strength and guidance to make a difference in this messed up world.

 

[Crescentinus]

What an enabler.

 

[GaryTaylor]

What an enabler.

There it is, but again. And his misguided emotional response is now attempting to enable and mislead society. Its about as rational as Timothy Leary voting on the legal use of LSD.

 

[epan]

Exactly its about HIS SON now! Well said and I agree.

Very true and I applaud your insight. However, ones lack of understanding and attempt to resolve this no doubt consists of deeply rooted personal emotional feelings. this may also be indicative of bias, thus an inability to make a fair and open minded rational decision.

Imho he should abstain from involvement and dismiss himself. That’s the charitable, right thing to do in love and concern.

I suppose then, that every person who has a mother should abstain from all involvement in deciding women’s rights issues, or any piece of legislation involving women… out of love and concern for them.

 

[fix]

Its a brave thing Portman did and its good to see that when confronted with it in his own family he came to the conclusion that most people are coming to.

It is the opposite of brave. Embracing sin is no help to anyone.

 

[fix]

Yeah in your world "God’ would want Portman to go out and disown his son for the horrible “sin” of being gay.

Straw man.

 

[twoshoes]

Its a brave thing Portman did and its good to see that when confronted with it in his own family he came to the conclusion that most people are coming to.

All this tells us is that he has no moral compass, he was ok condeming homsexually when it effected other peoples children, but when it came home he threw his morals out the window. HYPOCRITE. POLITICAN!!!

Put your faith only in God.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Yeah in your world "God’ would want Portman to go out and disown his son for the horrible “sin” of being gay.

So you don’t follow Catholic teaching?

 

[iamrefreshed]

What puzzles me is why we never hear about the evils of masturbation.

Maybe because no one wants to teach your kids about it in kindergarten?

 

[Seeker1961]

So you don’t follow Catholic teaching?

Where in Catholic teaching does it say you should disown your child for being gay?

 

[epan]

Where in Catholic teaching does it say you should disown your child for being gay?

it’s the 3rd footnote on page 367.

 

[bellasbane]

We don’t? The Church’s stance on sexual morality is pretty clear. Masturbation, pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, adultery, contraception, are all grave sins.

If adulterers were pressing for equality with spouses when it came to federal marriage benefits, I think the Church would oppose that. If it were proposed that self-marriage should be available for those addicted to masturbation, the Church would no doubt oppose that. If pre-marital sex were to be treated exactly the same as marriage, the Church would oppose that. If polygamy is proposed, the Church will oppose that.

I totally agree with you and thanks for providing all those great examples of “not-marriages” the Church would also oppose. I would not have come up with “self-marriage” - it is a brilliant example

If you look at the context of my post, you’ll see that I was responding to the common error of comparing homosexuality with pederasty. To do so grossly misrepresents Catholic moral theology. Seeker1961 was correct to point out that this makes it look stupid.

Catholic moral theology is NOT stupid.

The Church does make a distinction between sexual sins that involve force or coercion (rape, pederasty, bestiality) and those that do not (masturbation, fornication, adultery, contraception, and homosexuality). The first compounds the disordered behavior with the grave sin of forcing oneself upon an innocent person (or animal) - the second is free of this evil.

Anyone who thinks the Church does not recognize this distinction or believes it is fair to make comparisons that the Bishops are careful not to make is doing a great disservice to the church’s long moral tradition.

As far as sexual sins go, masturbation is the closest to homosexuality. In the context of the current debate over marriage, nobody would argue against the notion that the concept of “self-marriage” is preposterous. You can’t procreate with yourself. And there is plenty of evidence that the resulting “single-parent families” are not ideal for raising adopted children.

The arguments would make sense to people, because when applied correctly Catholic moral theology makes sense. It is only when people apply it incorrectly that it looks stupid.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Seeker1961]

I totally agree with you and thanks for providing all those great examples of “not-marriages” the Church would also oppose. I would not have come up with “self-marriage” - it is a brilliant example

If you look at the context of my post, you’ll see that I was responding to the common error of comparing homosexuality with pederasty. To do so grossly misrepresents Catholic moral theology. Seeker1961 was correct to point out that this makes it look stupid.

Catholic moral theology is NOT stupid.

The Church does make a distinction between sexual sins that involve force or coercion (rape, pederasty, bestiality) and those that do not (masturbation, fornication, adultery, contraception, and homosexuality). The first compounds the disordered behavior with the grave sin of forcing oneself upon an innocent person (or animal) - the second is free of this evil.

Anyone who thinks the Church does not recognize this distinction or believes it is fair to make comparisons that the Bishops are careful not to make is doing a great disservice to the church’s long moral tradition.

As far as sexual sins go, masturbation is the closest to homosexuality. In the context of the current debate over marriage, nobody would argue against the notion that the concept of “self-marriage” is preposterous. You can’t procreate with yourself. And there is plenty of evidence that the resulting “single-parent families” are not ideal for raising adopted children.

The arguments would make sense to people, because when applied correctly Catholic moral theology makes sense. It is only when people apply it incorrectly that it looks stupid.

Thanks for the help!

Thank you for saying it far better than I did.

 

[rossum]

Where in Catholic teaching does it say you should disown your child for being gay?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

rossum