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Judgment of all sinful actions is necessary in the Christian life. If we cannot judge what is bad, then we cannot judge what is good.

**“Let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” - James 5:20

"Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?” - Genesis 4:9

And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “What is it, Teacher?” “A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. When they could not pay, he forgave them both. Now which of them will love him more?” Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, to whom he forgave more.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” - Luke 7:40-43

"But Peter and John answered them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge.” - Acts 4:19

“The spiritual man judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” - 1 Corinthians 2:15

“Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!” - 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 **
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Judgment of all sinful actions is necessary in the Christian life. If we cannot judge what is bad, then we cannot judge what is good.

**“Let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” - James 5:20

"Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?” - Genesis 4:9

And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “What is it, Teacher?” “A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. When they could not pay, he forgave them both. Now which of them will love him more?” Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, to whom he forgave more.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” - Luke 7:40-43

"But Peter and John answered them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge.” - Acts 4:19

“The spiritual man judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” - 1 Corinthians 2:15

“Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!” - 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 **
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You cannot bring anyone back from sin without good.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth that which is evil. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
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The scriptures do not contradict each other.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have defined it, with the Gospel message of Christ. You cannot ‘accept with respect, compassion, and sensitivity,’ and discriminate at the same time. A ‘just discrimination’ is not taught in the Catechism. It is not something to be parsed so that we can ignore what we would.
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The scripture you’ve cited prohibits unjust judgements of hypocrisy and final judgements on the ultimate state of someone’s soul.

Nothing you’ve cited prohibits just judgements upon homosexuality.

And how exactly does one “discriminate” by calling out sinful actions? Especially actions that are intrinsic evils, of grave depravity, and intrinsically disordered and contrary to the natural law?
 
Cor_Cordis said:
In Genesis 19, two angels in disguise visit the city of Sodom and are offered hospitality and shelter by Lot. During the night, the men of Sodom demand that Lot hand over his guests for homosexual intercourse. Lot refuses, and the angels blind the men of Sodom. Lot and his household escape, and the town is destroyed by fire “because the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord” (Gen. 19:13)

Jude 7 records that Sodom and Gomorrah “acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust.” Ezekiel says that Sodom committed “abominable things” (Ezek. 16:50), which could refer to homosexual and heterosexual acts of sin. Lot even offered his two virgin daughters in place of his guests, but the men of Sodom rejected the offer, preferring homosexual sex over heterosexual sex (Gen. 19:8–9). Ezekiel does allude to a lack of hospitality in saying that Sodom “did not aid the poor and needy” (Ezek. 16:49). So homosexual acts and a lack of hospitality both contributed to the destruction of Sodom, with the former being the far greater sin, the “abominable thing” that set off God’s wrath.

But the Sodom incident is not the only time the Old Testament deals with homosexuality. An explicit condemnation is found in the book of Leviticus: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them” (Lev. 18:22, 20:13)

Please note that Paul openly passes harsh judgement on the act of homosexuality.

**“Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.” - Romans 1:26-28

“Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.” - Romans 1:32

“Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes* nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.” - 1 Cor 6:9-10**
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Yep, Homosexual acts (aka “Gay Marriage”) are one of the four sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance.

The other three sins are Homicide, Oppression of Widows and Orphans, and Cheating Laborers of a living wage.

I would say that all four of these sins are active in the West in a manner that has never before been seen in history.

God will not be mocked.

He will not remain silent forever.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
You cannot ‘accept with respect, compassion, and sensitivity,’ and discriminate at the same time. A ‘just discrimination’ is not taught in the Catechism. It is not something to be parsed so that we can ignore what we would.
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Is openly stating this a “just discrimination”?

Homosexuality is an act of grave depravity.

Homosexual is intrinsically disordered.

Homosexuality is contrary to the natural law.

Homosexuality closes the sexual act to the gift of life.

Homosexuality does not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.

Under no circumstances can homosexuality be approved.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
The scripture you’ve cited prohibits unjust judgements of hypocrisy and final judgements on the ultimate state of someone soul.

Nothing you’ve cited prohibits just judgements upon homosexuality.

And how exactly does one “discriminate” by calling out sinful actions? Especially actions that are intrinsic evils, of grave depravity, and intrinsically disordered and contrary to the natural law?
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I have provided examples of good and evil. I explained that Christ did not say ‘without equal sin,’ but did say, ‘WITHOUT sin.’ The Church does not teach us to be without mercy, compassion, love, and charity. It’s really that simple.

You can ‘call out sinful actions’ without removing the dignity every person is entitled to; through ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’ As I explained, I believe more damage is done without those things the Catechism teaches us as necessary. We’ve all heard, ‘you catch more flies with honey.’ I believe there is a culpability if we cause our brothers to stumble because we used other tactics than ‘love’, which equals ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’

The scriptures are full of examples of sheep; the flock and the shepherd. No shepherd beats his sheep to go where he wants them to go.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Is openly stating this a “just discrimination”?

Homosexuality is an act of grave depravity.

Homosexual is intrinsically disordered.

Homosexuality is contrary to the natural law.

Homosexuality closes the sexual act to the gift of life.

Homosexuality does not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.

Under no circumstances can homosexuality be approved.
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Depends on the tone, in my honest opinion. It’s not necessary to repeat it over, and over, and over, ad nauseam. Once the point is made, try using, ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’
 
HansTrappist said:
Yep, Homosexual acts (aka “Gay Marriage”) are one of the four sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance.

The other three sins are Homicide, Oppression of Widows and Orphans, and Cheating Laborers of a living wage.

I would say that all four of these sins are active in the West in a manner that has never before been seen in history.

God will not be mocked.

He will not remain silent forever.
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Where is it written that God needs us to ‘protect’ Him? Justice is His, and His alone. We will all be judged, according to our sins.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Calling out grave depravity is good. Is it not?

No they don’t, if you understand them in complete context. It’s not an either/or. But rather it is and/also.
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Call someone depraved and ask if they can see the love of Christ in you.

Love one another as He loves us. Beam, mote, without sin, etc. They don’t contradict. They don’t call us to strike vengeance for Him, or find instructions that we are His justice.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have provided examples of good and evil. I explained that Christ did not say ‘without equal sin,’ but did say, 'WITHOUT sin.
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Christ was clearly speaking about the specific sin of the adulteress.

You’re confused because you do not understand the context of that passage.
The Church does not teach us to be without mercy, compassion, love, and charity. It’s really that simple.
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Calling out their sin is mercy, compassion, love, and charity.
You can ‘call out sinful actions’ without removing the dignity every person is entitled to; through ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’ As I explained, I believe more damage is done without those things the Catechism teaches us as necessary. We’ve all heard, ‘you catch more flies with honey.’ I believe there is a culpability if we cause our brothers to stumble because we used other tactics than ‘love’, which equals ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’
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Christ did not catch flies with honey. He called out sin and gave redemptive forgiveness.
The scriptures are full of examples of sheep; the flock and the shepherd. No shepherd beats his sheep to go where he wants them to go.
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Really? Which Bible are you reading?

Then riddle me this:

Where is Our Lord’s tolerance in this?

“Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” - Luke 12:51-53

“Whatever town or village you enter, look for a worthy person in it, and stay there until you leave. As you enter a house, wish it peace. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; if not, let your peace return to you. Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words—go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. Amen, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” - Matthew 10:11-15

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe [in me] to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna, where ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." - Mark 9:42-48
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Where is it written that God needs us to ‘protect’ Him? Justice is His, and His alone. We will all be judged, according to our sins.
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He needs us to protect** His innocent little ones**. And also protect the sinners as well. Does he not?

Ahem:

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe [in me] to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna, where ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." - Mark 9:42-48
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Christ was clearly speaking about the specific sin of the adulteress.
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Are you saying ‘adultery’ is not as sinful as ‘homosexuality’?

I understand the scriptures and the context as explained by the Catechism. I also understand the call from the Catechism for respect, compassion, and sensitivity.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
He needs us to protect** His innocent little ones**. And also protect the sinners as well. Does he not?

Ahem:

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe [in me] to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna, where ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." - Mark 9:42-48
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We teach the little ones. He does not require our protection, and has not asked us to provide His vengeance, or justice.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Call someone depraved and ask if they can see the love of Christ in you.

Love one another as He loves us. Beam, mote, without sin, etc. They don’t contradict. They don’t call us to strike vengeance for Him, or find instructions that we are His justice.
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Uhm… Prody?

“Depraved” was taken right out of the Catechism :rolleyes::
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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Why do you reject the Catechism?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Are you saying ‘adultery’ is not as sinful as ‘homosexuality’?.
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Why are you comparing the two?

Both cause the soul of the sinners to suffer mortal sin. However, homosexuality leads to far greater implications on a societal level. And uhm…I believe we are seeing that right now in our current age- no?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I understand the scriptures and the context as explained by the Catechism. I also understand the call from the Catechism for respect, compassion, and sensitivity.
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Apparently you don’t.

You just called the Catechism’s own description of the depravity of homosexuality into question.👍
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Really? Which Bible are you reading?
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I read the Douay-Rheims primarily. I compare it to the Catechism, read the Catholic commentaries, and I also do comparisons to two Aramaic to English translations, two King James versions, an RSV, Greek interlinear, the Vulgate, and others.

Please stop being condescending with me.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
We teach the little ones. He does not require our protection, and has not asked us to provide His vengeance, or justice.
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Really?

So God does not want us to protect our children from the same-sex/transgender agendas implemented in the public schools?

Is that your official stance in here?:ehh:
 
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