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May I ask how you know the mind of everyone? That would be a neat trick I could use.

I think you posted here in part to help you and your attempt to rationalize your behavior and now you are upset that you are not getting it. I am sorry that I could not help you out.

And everyone does not think that as I am doubtful.
I do not know the mind of everyone, but I know that any logical person would not assume or even think that we were having sex if they knew who I lived with. I will not put myself in further danger, which I would do if I lived by myself, just so that other people can feel better with their own insecurities.
 
Living as my true gender, which is female, is not an unacceptable or bad lifestyle. No one knows who I live with so there is no assumption.
Ouch, this circular argument is starting to make my head hurt. Nobody said you living as a woman is bad, but living as a woman with an ex-boyfriend out of wedlock, is. It leads to scandal.

I find it hard to believe that no one knows you live together. Not the mailman? Not the landlord? Not the neighbors?

You can keep tap dancing around the issue, Maria, but if you came here looking for the Truth, you can’t find it that way.
 
Ouch, this circular argument is starting to make my head hurt. Nobody said you living as a woman is bad, but living as a woman with an ex-boyfriend out of wedlock, is. It leads to scandal.

I find it hard to believe that no one knows you live together. Not the mailman? Not the landlord? Not the neighbors?

You can keep tap dancing around the issue, Maria, but if you came here looking for the Truth, you can’t find it that way.
Well, you keep ignoring the safety issue that I keep bringing up. I’m not the only one tap dancing.
 
Well, you keep ignoring the safety issue that I keep bringing up. I’m not the only one tap dancing.
No. I’m not ignoring it. It has nothing to do with your living arrangements that may be causing scandal. No tap dancing here.
 
Matthew 22:36-40.
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments… well, I’ve seen precious little of the “Love thy neighbour” here.

Here’s a girl who has been RAPED on church property, who has been VIOLENTLY ATTACKED, and is in fear of her life.

And all some can do is mumble about appearances, how even if she’s living chastely, it looks bad.

Matthew 23:23-24
23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
You strain at the “hint of scandal”, but swallow the cruelty and venom this girl has been subject to by “God-Fearing Christians” without saying a word.

Yes, I know that you mean well. I know you’re trying to do the right thing. But those verses were aimed at people just like you.

And meanwhile, you prattle on about “chromosomes” as if you knew anything but the most basic, grade-school simplifications of biological reality. And use that to justify your sanctimony.

There are people on this site who actually know something about the subject. Why not ask them, instead of relying on what you read in simplified beginner’s grade-school textbooks?

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis - J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):182-9
XY chromosomes don’t make someone male. And you can’t rely on genitalia and appearance at birth either, because that can change due to natural causes.

Please have a look at this short video for example, which details just one of the many Intersex conditions that can cause a (usually) partial or (rarely) complete “natural sex change”:
us.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2009/12/17/ctw.watson.gaza.intersex.cnn

It is difficult enough for anyone born with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female. Whose anatomy in one area may conform to a feminine stereotype, and another area, a masculine stereotype. Difficult enough from a medical viewpoint, and a legal viewpoint too. But most difficult is the malice with which they are treated by ignorant and sanctimonious hypocrites, always willing to pass judgement at the drop of a hat, and always willing to condemn those whose position they don’t bother making even a superficial effort to understand.

Judges who think they are “doing God’s work”, while violating in the most terrible way the basics that all the laws, regulations, the whole magisterium in fact, are based on.

Consider just the titles of these scientific papers. You don’t have to be a Rocket Scientist to understand the papers. You don’t even have to read them, just the titles are sufficient:

Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041

Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation. Swaab Gynecol Endocrinol (2004) 19:301–312.

A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.

I’ll simplify. Over-simplify, or I’ll be talking about the BSTc layer of the hypothalamus, lymbic system complexes and so on, blinding you with science and causing your eyes to glaze over in blank incomprehension.

Men have male brains. Women have female brains. They differ, anatomically.

And that means that transsexual women have female brains too. Not just “spiritually” female, or “psychologically” female, but physically, biologically, anatomically female. That’s what makes women, women, not chromosomes - which are just a genetic plan that may not have been followed - or external appearance - which can change due to natural causes, hormonal therapy, accident, illness or surgery.The very definition of a transsexual woman is one born with (mostly) feminine neuro-anatomy, and (mostly) masculine other anatomy.

While I feel sympathy and compassion for MariaTS in her terrible ordeal, literally driven out of her job by the malicious and spiteful, I feel far more sorry for those who would rather see her die - and that is what moving out would in all probability mean for her - rather than violate their pious ideals of propriety and appearance. Because you “mean well”, but when the Day of Reckoning comes, you will realise that that’s what you’re been doing.

Now pardon me, after pointing out the specks in your eyes, I have a rather large deciduous forest in my own I have to deal with. And I’m not even Christian.
 
Nice tirade but no one here has supported any sort of violence nor condoned what this person has said what has happened to him.

Anyways, what has been done to this person in no way changes the fact that unrelated males and females living together is a scandal in the eyes of the Church and any logically thinking person.
 
Nice tirade but no one here has supported any sort of violence nor condoned what this person has said what has happened to him.
You just have done. By your silence in refusing to condemn it. By your misgendering this girl as “him”, you encourage the bigotry against her that is the root cause of her problems. And most of all, by your lack of compassion and charity.

Well, I tried. There’s none so blind etc etc.
 
You just have done. By your silence in refusing to condemn it. By your misgendering this girl as “him”, you encourage the bigotry against her that is the root cause of her problems. And most of all, by your lack of compassion and charity.

Well, I tried. There’s none so blind etc etc.
His attitude reminds me very much of my parents, who by the way are just about totally alientated by their children now including me. My parents taaaught us as children that one cannot be happy both in this world and after dealth. So if you live a happy life here you are on your way to Hell. To obtain Heaven you have to suffer and live a sad life. All 8 of us ignore them, 4 of my siblings left th church on account of that attitude.
You attract more with sugar than vinegar.
 
Hi Zoe,

My understanding is that the issue of scandal arose because Maria wants to continue in her role as a Youth Minister in a Catholic Church. The rules of the Church are such that this is not possible in her position.

One solution would be for Maria to move to another parish where she and her history is unknown. This is a solution that is sometimes offered by compassionate and understanding Priests to those who are divorced, but for one or another reason (often very personal and private) have been allowed to continue to recieve communion. That too is against the rules, but sometimes Priests see beyond the rules and respond as Christ would with understanding and compassion. However, members of the congretation, where one and one’s history is known would be scandalized by that judgement, hence the solution of another parish. Not ideal, and not acceptable to some, but it has been known. Unless one deliberately discloses these issues to other members of the congregation, it is possible for it to remain between one’s confessor, one’s conscience and God.
 
Well, you keep ignoring the safety issue that I keep bringing up. I’m not the only one tap dancing.
I cannot get my mind around your “saftey issue”. Young women live alone all over the globe, in every kind of neighborhood and area.

DISABLED young women live alone, again, in every kind of area.

I lived alone when I was young, I am disabled. I used the locks on my doors to prevent robbery. If I was that afraid, I would have moved back in with my family, I would have moved into a group facility, I would have taken self defense classes, I would have bought a dog and a gun -

Christ has NOT given us a spirit of fear, but of love and a sound mind.
 
Said it before, I will say it again - any person who is raped on ANY property should report it to the police and work with them to see that the attacker is brought to justice. Again, the alleged crime is hearsay, there is no record of a rape reported on any Church property in the State of Ohio. Several people here researched it!
 
You just have done. By your silence in refusing to condemn it. By your misgendering this girl as “him”, you encourage the bigotry against her that is the root cause of her problems. And most of all, by your lack of compassion and charity.

Well, I tried. There’s none so blind etc etc.
I do not believe that God makes mistakes. I also have condemned all that has happened to this person that should not have. I will not condemn the removal of this person from Youth Ministry as this person is causing scandal.

Must we condemn the wrongs in every single reply we make?

No, I do not think you are blind, just misguided.
 
Said it before, I will say it again - any person who is raped on ANY property should report it to the police and work with them to see that the attacker is brought to justice. Again, the alleged crime is hearsay, there is no record of a rape reported on any Church property in the State of Ohio. Several people here researched it!
I stopped reporting crimes against me years ago when the police repeatedly refused to do their jobs and didn’t even record any crimes that I reported. The police have never worked with me and whenever I have tried to work with them or went to them, they have made the situation worse.
 
I cannot get my mind around your “saftey issue”. Young women live alone all over the globe, in every kind of neighborhood and area.

DISABLED young women live alone, again, in every kind of area.

I lived alone when I was young, I am disabled. I used the locks on my doors to prevent robbery. If I was that afraid, I would have moved back in with my family, I would have moved into a group facility, I would have taken self defense classes, I would have bought a dog and a gun -

Christ has NOT given us a spirit of fear, but of love and a sound mind.
A Severely Physically Disabled and Transgendered Girl would not be safe by herself in run-down slums. I cannot defend myself, I cannot move in with family since they have rejected me, I cannot move to a group facility because I would be in even more danger there, I cannot take self defense classes because I cannot use self defense in any way, I cannot buy a dog and a gun because I cannot afford either and the gun would likely be used against me because I am weaker than most people, Locks will not prevent people who want me dead and who know where I live from coming in and killing me because that’s how many people in run-down slums treat people who don’t fit into their narrow-world-view.
 
I stopped reporting crimes against me years ago when the police repeatedly refused to do their jobs and didn’t even record any crimes that I reported. The police have never worked with me and whenever I have tried to work with them or went to them, they have made the situation worse.
I have better not see anyone here challenge this statement either. My family has a histroy with problems of our local police department not doing their jobs.
 
Said it before, I will say it again - any person who is raped on ANY property should report it to the police and work with them to see that the attacker is brought to justice. Again, the alleged crime is hearsay, there is no record of a rape reported on any Church property in the State of Ohio. Several people here researched it!
Everytime I have ever heard a statistic in my life on what percentage of rapes get reported it is always less than half. I’m kind of getting tired of everything you disagree with getting called hearsay. Thats the go to arguement when you can’t handle something you don’t like is the word hearsay. It’s getting old.
 
I cannot get my mind around your “saftey issue”. Young women live alone all over the globe, in every kind of neighborhood and area.

DISABLED young women live alone, again, in every kind of area.

I lived alone when I was young, I am disabled. I used the locks on my doors to prevent robbery. If I was that afraid, I would have moved back in with my family, I would have moved into a group facility, I would have taken self defense classes, I would have bought a dog and a gun -

Christ has NOT given us a spirit of fear, but of love and a sound mind.
I guess my paternal grandmother was sinning when she’d keep her house door locked during the day when she had my dad back in 1945. By the way she lived in a very middle of the middle class neighbord hood back then. Oh yes that might get called hearsay! But anyway the fear that is being spoken of in your last sentence is not physical fear, it is spiritual fear.
 
Everytime I have ever heard a statistic in my life on what percentage of rapes get reported it is always less than half. I’m kind of getting tired of everything you disagree with getting called hearsay. Thats the go to arguement when you can’t handle something you don’t like is the word hearsay. It’s getting old.
From Webster’s:
hearsay –noun
  1. Code:
    **unverified, unofficial information** gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge.
I challenge you to show where Kage_ar is wrong.

Unless there is some evidence, it is hearsay. Sorry if your getting tired of truth.
 
From Webster’s:
I challenge you to show where Kage_ar is wrong.

Unless there is some evidence, it is hearsay. Sorry if your getting tired of truth.
I have given examples of personal experiences here and have gotten them called hearsay. I do know what the definition of hearsay really is, but for you and Kage-ar the definition is anything you disagree with.
 
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