““But aren’t you quoting scientific findings that you seem to believe proves some sort of afterlife? Let’s be clear, do you want to rely on science for this or not? You cannot have it both ways. For example, you cannot rely on claims such as this…””
Bradski , I used scientific evidence to talk to you on your grounds and show that what religion has been saying for thousands of years and what atheism has be denying for thousands of years is actually starting to come true. Do I need these scientific evidences to convince me ? No because I don’t adhere to the dogmatically limited and shallow belief of scentism.
Now if you had listened to the skeptiko interview with atheist/materialist patricia churchland a supposed world expert in this area who is oxford trained you will the pattern of almost all atheists when confronted with compelling scientific evidence that is even slightly against their worldview . You will see that most atheist experts in this field don’t care about the evidence or the science at all. They have what. Ost atheists say that believers have BLIND faith.
The reason why I brought this subject up to show you that most atheists don’t care about science . They only care about promoting their religion which is atheism .
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and then go on to show science has proved it. If something has been claimed to have happened once, then to prove it did happen, then the claim has to be tested. Otherwise it remains just a claim.""
Again it doesn’t matter how many times it happened . You can see the emotional prejudice and the anti scientific responses of atheists in action , even top neuroscience experts like patricia churchland . Another point that even atheist neuroscience experts will even lie to keep this information from reaching ten ur college students . Plus the evidence fir veridical Nde’s is very strong and has been leaning towards the afterlife for a long time . Instead of admitting at least this much atheists will ridicule it . You can even see lawrence krauss ridiculing it as coming from a lack of oxygen even though all nde researchers unanimously agree that it’s simply not the case.
As I said religion has predicted the afterlife for thousands of years and atheists have ridiculed it almost as long . It’s funny how a book written a long time ago predicted one of the most important things in human history while atheists who ridiculed it are starting to be proven wrong and still they won’t admit it. There are thousands of testimonies from doctors to nurses who have collaborated these experiences as well.
Atheism isn’t intellectually tenable worldview . It’s an emotional stance , which as the bible correctly pointed out comes from a hardening of the heart
Anyone we know here bradski ?
““Did you get the chance to ask your Granddad how long it took him to find each of those guys to confirm that they saw exactly the same thing? Maybe he met them for a beer later in the day and had a chat and a bit of a laugh about the whole thing (yeah, you should have seen yourself run! I thought you’d never stop!)””
Again your assuming that science is the only way to arrive at truth, and since God himself created these scientific laws he is something greater then them and that tells me that science is only one of GOD’s created laws , and certainly not the most important by a long shot .
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"I think you have a problem here with the description of the very thing you want to claim. You seem to want to prove that NDEs are examples of an afterlife. But there is a significant difference between what the medical profession would describe as death and what Joe Public uses to describe it.
Even though you may find members of the medical profession using the term ‘clinically dead’, it is not a medical term. So if you read someone claiming that a person had experiences after she was ‘clinically dead’, then they weren’t actually dead at all. Let’s face it, when you are dead, there is no coming back. If you ‘come back’ then you were not dead in the first place.""
Pure semantics my friend . In fact doctor same parnia who just finished publishing the largest nde study (peer reviewed in a respectable uk journal ) now calls near death experiences actual death experiences . I predict that in the coming decades other doctors will also do the same as the old dinosaurian atheistic/materialistic paradigm falls to the side .
Again when the brain isn’t functioning the person is for all intents and purposes dead . Just because the neurons haven’t dried up completely and the body go through rigor mortis or wise does t change the fact that you don’t have a functioning brain . I find it incredibly amazing that this would be ur defense against Nde’s . No functioning brain means the mind isn’t the brain . Hence we have the soul
Like or not bradski this is where the nde research is leaning towards .
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The clues is in the name, if you hadn’t noticed it. The experiences you are citing are examples of NEAR death experience. No-one calls them post death experiences for a very good reason. The person wasn’t actually dead. So perhaps you can let me know how the experiences of someone who hasn’t died (it was a near thing, though, hence the N in NDE), is proof of an afterlife? “”
Again parnia is now calling them actual death experiences . No functioning brain means the brain didn’t cause this consciousness outside the body . This is calling wiggling into a retreat position to hold onto the last vestiges of atheism . It’s an emotional al response and not an unbiased response of a truth seeker.
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