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halogirl
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Well I have online friends who are and they are keeping me going
Responding to pro-choicers’ views on abortion
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Bruised_Reed
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Yes, I have found out a pro-life friend isn’t. The story of the 11 year old pregnant after rape seems to be the catalyst. Her kids are older but she’s imagining her daughter’s tiny frame (bottom percentile in height and weight) supporting a pregnancy. The suggestion that that was her grandchild was not well received. Which is fine.
I think we’re going to have to defining what we mean by pro-life, kind of like how one defines feminism… I guess this has long been done, pro-life from conception to natural death, pro-life except in cases of rape and incest, etc.
I think we’re going to have to defining what we mean by pro-life, kind of like how one defines feminism… I guess this has long been done, pro-life from conception to natural death, pro-life except in cases of rape and incest, etc.
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Bruised_Reed
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I’ve managed to maintain a mostly comfortable “agree to disagree” stance with pro-choice friends/family. Even talking about it with pro-life folks has landmines. I’ve been in the situation of telling a relative who was on accutane that no, she did not have to have an abortion if she got pregnant, even if the baby might have birth defects; the doctor told her this and she took it as the only option. Or the churches position on euthanasia which was very relevant since my mom had ALS. Among other things. However, the topic of making abortion illegal has people I didn’t expect agitated, and I feel that my next steps will leave a crack in the doorway for dialog or slam the door shut and secure it with nails.
Tis_Bearself
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I think most of us realize there is a good chance we will all just end up with high blood pressure and angry at each other if we post too much politics. One of my friends has a jokey group where we post mostly memes and silly headlines. It’s also interesting to see what people choose to post instead of politics. I have one friend who constantly posts pictures of hiking trail sights and ice cream, another posts vintage stereo equipment and 8 track tapes, someone else dresses up his dog in Hawaiian shirts. It’s pleasant.
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Sbee0
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It’s interesting to hear a lot of play in the media of Islamophobia- and in many cases rightfully so… and then we see handmaids tale characters come out of the woodwork during this debate… which I consider as Christianophobic as it gets. (Not the book or tv show necessarily - but the fact people link this with Christians and pro lifers)
And not a word about that.
And not a word about that.
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nightshade
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It is very much trendy to belittle and hate on Christianity. It is a “safe” way to channel frustration and hatred.
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Padres1969
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Handmaids has nothing to do with being anti Christian. It’s anti women repression, which being anti-choice is definitely seen as part of… driven by Christianity, Islam, Judaism or otherwise.
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Sbee0
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Yeah Im not talking about the book or tv show, it’s the fact people link this with mainstream Christian belief in this debate- and you’d have to be blind not to see it- that is textbook Christianophobia.
Being pro life doesn’t even begin to oppress women like this story describes. Prolifers have zero things in common with people who oppressed women in the story. It’s quite comical actually that people are that Christianophobic they’d put on the red costumes…
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Padres1969
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Well if your version of Christianity is going to repress women and push patriarchy on women… then yes they’re Christianphobic of your version of Christianity as it is anti-women in the modern sense.
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Sbee0
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Sure, someone who knows absolutely nothing about Christianity ( which is the vast majority of the red costumes) would certainly feel that way. Informed people who know better don’t. Period.
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Tis_Bearself
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Preventing a woman from murdering another human being, who has about a 50 percent chance of also being a woman, is not “repressing women”.
When we care about women’s rights we also care about the baby woman in the womb.
When we care about women’s rights we also care about the baby woman in the womb.
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Erikaspirit16
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And extreme pro-life views.
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Sbee0
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There are no extreme pro life views imo.Magnanimity:
And extreme pro-life views.
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Erikaspirit16
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And there’s the problem in a nutshell.
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Sbee0
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I don’t think you have the same definition of extreme pro lifers as we do.Sbee0:
And there’s the problem in a nutshell.
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Bruised_Reed
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Sure, many are non-believers, but they know plenty about Christianity. They’ve read the bible, they may have even joined a church for awhile; atheists tend to be well-read and will have read multiple religious texts. A lot of them are ex-Catholics and exvangelicals. They are informed but are either don’t believe anymore or are sick of the hypocrisy. And there are plenty of believers among them, too. I’ve had a couple of friends assert a pro-choice stance that I had no clue about. They aren’t wearing handmaid costumes but they are championing those that do.
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Magnanimity
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Fair enough, but what follows from the Gallup and Pew surveys is that the vast majority of Americans are in favor of some restrictions on abortions. Not all Americans are sold on the-zygote-is-just-as-significant-as-your-2-yo line of reasoning. And yet, Americans can easily see that the 8 month old in utero fetus is deserving of some protection—there had better be a good reason for terminating it—which doesn’t include, “meh, I don’t think I want a baby any more.”
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Sarcelle
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Fetuses in the womb of a pregnant woman are definitely alive and they’re definitely human.
They grow and transform over time meaning they’re alive and have human DNA.
In time a new human is born.
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Sbee0
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Anyone informed about Christianity would not be wearing the red costumes to make a statement about this topic. Nor even think that the story has anything to do with real life Christians and pro lifers. It’s Christianophobia, period.Sbee0:
Sure, many are non-believers, but they know plenty about Christianity. They’ve read the bible, they may have even joined a church for awhile; atheists tend to be well-read and will have read multiple religious texts. A lot of them are ex-Catholics and exvangelicals. They are informed but are either don’t believe anymore or are sick of the hypocrisy. And there are plenty of believers among them, too. I’ve had a couple of friends assert a pro-choice stance that I had no clue about. They aren’t wearing handmaid costumes but they are championing those that do.
It’s interesting that they do make that connection though as Gilead seems to be the kind of place that would execute those seeking abortions. Which zero Christians would support.
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Bruised_Reed
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That’s a rather dismissive attitude toward the reasons women consider abortion. And the ones with that attitude are the same ones getting pregnant repeatedly, having multiple children even though they lack parenting skills and the wherewithal to gain some, while addicted, while in unhealthy relationships, etc. They think they’ll have a baby because they get attention for about 8 months and then it stops being fun and the child is neglected.
The ones who are activists are the ones who are thoughtful, not just “I don’t feel like having a baby” and feel absolutely certain.
Then there are the ones who are scared out of their minds. The ones who lean pro-choice feel threatened by pro-life legislation. The ones who lean pro-choice feel trapped.
Remember, pro-life people have a portions too.
Reading the posts on CAF over the years, even recently, there is a lot of potential unexpected abortions.
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