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TheQuestioner
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God also said “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. The quote you posted has nothing to do with Sunday worship. It is more about the power of asking for something as a community than by yourself.
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peary1
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Originally Posted by **Feanor2 **
What’s this deal that folks who leave the Church talking about being “spiritually fed”?
I hear this from nearly every one. Is this protestant-talk like “open up YOUR bible,” and inserting the word “just” into prayers as in. "Jesus we just praise you and we just glorify your name Lord and just fill us Oh Lord with your glory oh Lord. . . just. . . just . . . just. . . "
Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright with me, oh yeah…
-Doobie Brothers, man
What’s this deal that folks who leave the Church talking about being “spiritually fed”?
I hear this from nearly every one. Is this protestant-talk like “open up YOUR bible,” and inserting the word “just” into prayers as in. "Jesus we just praise you and we just glorify your name Lord and just fill us Oh Lord with your glory oh Lord. . . just. . . just . . . just. . . "
Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright with me, oh yeah…
-Doobie Brothers, man
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Good_Fella
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One cannot be truly fed spiritually unless she receives the true manna come down from heaven in the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist…
“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.”
St.Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7:1 (c.A.D. 110)
“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our snd flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.”
St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 165)
“The bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood.”
St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1V: 18,4 (c. A.D. 200)
The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the early Church built on the foundation of the Apostles with Christ as the corner stone.
“But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep that only, which is now delivered to thee by the Church, and which has been built up strongly out of all the Scriptures…Take heed then brethren, and hold fast the traditions which ye now receive, and write them on the table of your heart.”
St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 5:12 (A.D. 350)
“He who hears you hears me, and the One who sent me.”
I hope it doesn’t mean that by “being fed spiritually” you are unconsciously saying that you are being emotionally gratified. Keep in mind that faith is not an emotion or sensation.
Pax Christu :harp:
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kalt
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Good bye cruel Church.
Are you trying to start a conversation? Looking for attention? Hoping to start a Catholic vs non-denom debate? Hoping someone will beg you not to leave?
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Bob_Crowley
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ARe you being “spiritually fed” there, or is it the warmth and friendliness of the class that’s getting to you? I’ll admit the Catholic Church can be a bit cold if you don’t get involved in anything except mass, and a lot of the Protestant churches are much friendlier and interactive with their members.
Which one is it? Spirituality? Or Community?
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Good_Fella
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Perhaps she/he is hoping that we can convince her/him to remain Catholic. As Catholic members of this Forum, it’s up to us to provide the answers for being Catholic and staying Catholic. :yyeess:Good bye cruel Church.
Are you trying to start a conversation? Looking for attention? Hoping to start a Catholic vs non-denom debate? Hoping someone will beg you not to leave?
PAX :heaven:
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JudiTherese
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Well, given that our priest and worship director at our Catholic church are both gay (worship director living with his partner) I have serious issues with how Catholics interpret gay marriage.
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JudiTherese
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Since this said “Non Catholic Relgions” I assumed this was the place to post it. I wasn’t trying to incite any drama or be a troll. Review my previous posts and you’ll see that I don’t do that kind of thing.
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dzheremi
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What is a “worship director”? I’ve never heard this term used in Catholicism.
Also, what does the priest being gay have to do with anything? Even if he is, priests in the Latin rite are celibate as a matter of discipline, so he ought not be having romantic relationships with anyone of any gender. So I don’t see how that relates to gay marriage at all. It is like saying I have serious issues with vegetarians’ stance on red meat. I mean, feel free to continue to hold it against them as a whole, but it is silly on your part because you know from the outset their stance by virtue of their voluntary non-participation in it. If they wanted to be in homosexual relationships, they really screwed up by deciding to be priests or “worship directors” in a church that will not allow sexually-active clergy or bless homosexual unions. I don’t see how this is the church’s fault. It is their fault.
Also, what does the priest being gay have to do with anything? Even if he is, priests in the Latin rite are celibate as a matter of discipline, so he ought not be having romantic relationships with anyone of any gender. So I don’t see how that relates to gay marriage at all. It is like saying I have serious issues with vegetarians’ stance on red meat. I mean, feel free to continue to hold it against them as a whole, but it is silly on your part because you know from the outset their stance by virtue of their voluntary non-participation in it. If they wanted to be in homosexual relationships, they really screwed up by deciding to be priests or “worship directors” in a church that will not allow sexually-active clergy or bless homosexual unions. I don’t see how this is the church’s fault. It is their fault.
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spn82756
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I feel terribly for you. You’re giving up the Eucharist. The REAL PRESENCE OF CHRIST for touchy feely?
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yellowbird
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Have you considered switching to a different parish? I’m sorry - I’m not familar with your reasons for being so unhappy or unfufilled with your Catholic faith so if you’ve already gone over all of that, forgive me… I just wonder if a different parish might help?
I am so blessed with a WONDERFUL parish… and I’ve visited other parishes not too far from me that I don’t think I’d like nearly as much…
I guess that’s why I asked if you no longer believe the Catholic Church is true… because if that’s the case, even the very best of parishes wouldn’t help…
What made you become Catholic to begin with?
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spn82756
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OMG…
If you’re happy and you know it clap your hands!!! I sing that all the time at work. If I don’t…people figure I’m not feeling well.
If you’re happy and you know it clap your hands!!! I sing that all the time at work. If I don’t…people figure I’m not feeling well.
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Tantum_ergo
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Actually, you don’t. What you have are two Catholics who identify themselves as gay, one of whom is at least ‘appearing’ to live in a state of scandal. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the Catholic teachings on the subject.
I’m willing to wager that all members of your proposed Protestant church are sinners. Now, if I told you that 'I have a serious issue with how you Protestants interpret sin, because it looks like despite your teaching against it, you all engage in it", you’d probably feel I had missed the point. . .your religion/church/denom teachings aren’t negated if some or all of your members struggle with them.
Now. . .what was that ‘Catholic interpretation of gay marriage’ you have an issue with again? Is it an actual Catholic TEACHING or is it that some Catholics aren’t following the teaching?
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JudiTherese
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Our parish has a worship director. He is in charge of all the music–very talented man. Music is huge at our parish and there are two traditional and one contemporary music mass each Sunday.
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adstrinity
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- This post is quickly disolving with people being uncharitable.
- I don’t think you all understand. I’m not sure I do, but, let me see if I have this right. Her priest and Music Director are alledgedly openly gay. The Music Director, who is a very nice man, lives with his partner. The Catholic Church frowns on these relationships so, but, JudiTherese is friends or an aquaintance or an admirer of the Music Director so her loyalty, heart, and brain is telling her to allign with the side of the Music Director (who is apparently Catholic). Apparently, if the Catholic Church allowed for homosexual marriages, and let this man be more at peace(?), this wouldn’t be an issue. …Though, I suspect this is not the ONLY issue JudiTherese is finding with the Church.
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yellowbird
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I’m guessing it’s the opposite. JudiThereses is disgusted by a Church that says it believes one thing (being an active homosexual is a sin) yet employs an active homosexual as a worship leader. It’s hypocritical. I’d be disgusted too.
I don’t believe that Judi is leaving the Catholic Church for one that is more liberal… but rather for one that is MUCH more conservative… at least of it’s members. Because let’s face it… there are ALOT of totally liberal Catholic parishes out there.
I think it’s espeically difficult for converts… we join the Catholic Church because on paper, we believe everything it stands for and teaches. Once we’re here, we quickly realize that other Catholics don’t believe it… other Priests don’t believe it… it’s like a bait and swtich. We joined thinking it was one thing… and then wa-la… it’s something totally different.
If that’s the case, my suggestion would be to FIND a parish that more closely aligns itself to what the Church stands for on paper. One that would NOT employ an active homosexual for starters.
I could be totally off base though… Judi ??
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Tantum_ergo
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Apologies if any post of mine came across as uncharitable. Didn’t mean it to be if so. Judi, we don’t want you to leave the Church. We think it has the fullness of truth. If there is any way in which we can possibly be helpful iin discussing Church teachings in an area where you think it is ‘lacking’, we’d be glad to address it.
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Justin_Mee
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You know, we could solve this whole thing by asking the simple question: Do you believe that Christ is really present in at the Eucharist? If your answer is ‘yes’ then you will not even consider leaving the Catholic church. How could you? If your answer is ‘no’, then you are wasting your time and need to seek elsewhere. I think we are making it too complicated.I feel terribly for you. You’re giving up the Eucharist. The REAL PRESENCE OF CHRIST for touchy feely?
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Usbek_de_Perse
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I am amazed at all the kind hearted expressions of disdain for JudiTherese’s statement. I don’t think anyone would leave the Catholic church, or any other church if one felt that the truth resided there. You cannot assume she is willingly turning her back on truth. Someone would have to will eternal damnation to do that.
Here is a person continuing to question a decision made several years ago. God gave us minds to question. No one has a monopoly on good reason or truth, except me, of course.
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yellowbird
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I disagree. If the Priest were to take a poll, Raise your Hand if you believe Christ is TRULY present in the Eucharist… everyone else should pack up and go… I’d guess that 1/2 the parish would probably need to pack up. She’s only been Catholic for 3 years… and maybe she believed it before but isn’t so sure now? No crime in that… we all go through periods of doubt. It’s the people whose faith is faltering and weak who MOST need to stay.
What I wonder most is what made her decide to become Catholic and what has happened since to make her want to jump ship?
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