Revealed: how British cardinal fixed Vatican conclave for his friend Pope Francis

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Revealed: how British cardinal fixed Vatican conclave for his friend Pope Francis

It has emerged that Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the former Catholic archbishop of Westminster who died last week, intervened in the last Conclave to ensure his friend was elected Pope Francis.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/03/revealed-british-cardinal-fixed-vatican-conclave-friend-pope

Catholic Culture:
Catholic World News: Late British cardinal lobbied for election of Pope Francis, new book claims

If the report of the reception is accurate, it would seem to be a clear violation of the rule against lobbying before a conclave.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=32612
 
Nice story. I’m glad he did what he did. Surely, the Holy Spirit helped.
 
Sojourner003 said:
Nice story. I’m glad he did what he did. Surely, the Holy Spirit helped.
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JOHN PAUL II
SUPREME PONTIFF
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS
ON THE VACANCY
OF THE APOSTOLIC SEE
AND THE ELECTION
OF THE ROMAN PONTIFF
  1. In the same way, I wish to confirm the provisions made by my Predecessors for the purpose of excluding any external interference in the election of the Supreme Pontiff. Therefore, in virtue of holy obedience and under pain of excommunication latae sententiae, I again forbid each and every Cardinal elector, present and future, as also the Secretary of the College of Cardinals and all other persons taking part in the preparation and carrying out of everything necessary for the election, to accept under any pretext whatsoever, from any civil authority whatsoever, the task of proposing the veto or the so-called exclusiva, even under the guise of a simple desire, or to reveal such either to the entire electoral body assembled together or to individual electors, in writing or by word of mouth, either directly and personally or indirectly and through others, both before the election begins and for its duration. I intend this prohibition to include all possible forms of interference, opposition and suggestion whereby secular authorities of whatever order and degree, or any individual or group, might attempt to exercise influence on the election of the Pope.
  2. The Cardinal electors shall further abstain from any form of pact, agreement, promise or other commitment of any kind which could oblige them to give or deny their vote to a person or persons. If this were in fact done, even under oath, I decree that such a commitment shall be null and void and that no one shall be bound to observe it; and I hereby impose the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who violate this prohibition. It is not my intention however to forbid, during the period in which the See is vacant, the exchange of views concerning the election.
  3. I likewise forbid the Cardinals before the election to enter into any stipulations, committing themselves of common accord to a certain course of action should one of them be elevated to the Pontificate. These promises too, should any in fact be made, even under oath, I also declare null and void.
  4. With the same insistence shown by my Predecessors, I earnestly exhort the Cardinal electors not to allow themselves to be guided, in choosing the Pope, by friendship or aversion, or to be influenced by favour or personal relationships towards anyone, or to be constrained by the interference of persons in authority or by pressure groups, by the suggestions of the mass media, or by force, fear or the pursuit of popularity. Rather, having before their eyes solely the glory of God and the good of the Church, and having prayed for divine assistance, they shall give their vote to the person, even outside the College of Cardinals, who in their judgment is most suited to govern the universal Church in a fruitful and beneficial way.
w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_22021996_universi-dominici-gregis.html
 
BryantJ33 said:
JOHN PAUL II
SUPREME PONTIFF
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS
ON THE VACANCY
OF THE APOSTOLIC SEE
AND THE ELECTION
OF THE ROMAN PONTIFF
  1. In the same way, I wish to confirm the provisions made by my Predecessors for the purpose of excluding any external interference in the election of the Supreme Pontiff. Therefore, in virtue of holy obedience and under pain of excommunication latae sententiae, I again forbid each and every Cardinal elector, present and future, as also the Secretary of the College of Cardinals and all other persons taking part in the preparation and carrying out of everything necessary for the election, to accept under any pretext whatsoever, from any civil authority whatsoever, the task of proposing the veto or the so-called exclusiva, even under the guise of a simple desire, or to reveal such either to the entire electoral body assembled together or to individual electors, in writing or by word of mouth, either directly and personally or indirectly and through others, both before the election begins and for its duration. I intend this prohibition to include all possible forms of interference, opposition and suggestion whereby secular authorities of whatever order and degree, or any individual or group, might attempt to exercise influence on the election of the Pope.
  2. The Cardinal electors shall further abstain from any form of pact, agreement, promise or other commitment of any kind which could oblige them to give or deny their vote to a person or persons. If this were in fact done, even under oath, I decree that such a commitment shall be null and void and that no one shall be bound to observe it; and I hereby impose the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who violate this prohibition. It is not my intention however to forbid, during the period in which the See is vacant, the exchange of views concerning the election.
  3. I likewise forbid the Cardinals before the election to enter into any stipulations, committing themselves of common accord to a certain course of action should one of them be elevated to the Pontificate. These promises too, should any in fact be made, even under oath, I also declare null and void.
  4. With the same insistence shown by my Predecessors, I earnestly exhort the Cardinal electors not to allow themselves to be guided, in choosing the Pope, by friendship or aversion, or to be influenced by favour or personal relationships towards anyone, or to be constrained by the interference of persons in authority or by pressure groups, by the suggestions of the mass media, or by force, fear or the pursuit of popularity. Rather, having before their eyes solely the glory of God and the good of the Church, and having prayed for divine assistance, they shall give their vote to the person, even outside the College of Cardinals, who in their judgment is most suited to govern the universal Church in a fruitful and beneficial way.
w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_22021996_universi-dominici-gregis.html
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Interesting. Now read a little history.
 
To say that the conclave was “fixed” is deceptive to say the least. That implies some kind of criminal act.
 
BryantJ33 said:
Didn’t know posting articles from two reputable news sites, including the Orthodox sites Catholic Culture and Catholic World News were wrong and sinful.
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You are a new poster here. There are forum rules. However, this month CAF will be changing. There will be no more moderators. It will be self moderating. I am not
sure if the same forum rules will exist.
 
7_Sorrows said:
You are a new poster here. There are forum rules. However, this month CAF will be changing. There will be no more moderators. It will be self moderating. I am not
sure if the same forum rules will exist.
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There is nothing against the rules about posting articles from legitimate Catholic and mainstream news sources.

Seems more like you are afraid of the truth, because if all of this is true, that really wouldn’t be good.
 
BryantJ33 said:
I have. Ever heard of the Borgias?
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Who hasn’t. That’s why inviting Cardinals to a cocktail party didn’t seem like a big deal to me. Let’s not pretend the Cardinals don’t talk to each other.
 
7_Sorrows said:
You are a new poster here. There are forum rules. However, this month CAF will be changing. There will be no more moderators. It will be self moderating. I am not
sure if the same forum rules will exist.
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What’s your point?
 
Just what the Church needs - another expose on alleged corruption. If was a mod, I would close this thread, as it is useless for anything other than gossip. But, I’m not.
 
BryantJ33 said:
There is nothing against the rules about posting articles from legitimate Catholic and mainstream news sources.

Seems more like you are afraid of the truth, because if all of this is true, that really wouldn’t be good.
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I don’t see anything wrong with your posting this particular article. But you may want to brace yourself for a little discussion.
 
BryantJ33 said:
There is nothing against the rules about posting articles from legitimate Catholic and mainstream news sources.

Seems more like you are afraid of the truth, because if all of this is true, that really wouldn’t be good.
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Have you read the rules?

I don’t want to be banned before the changeover.
 
po18guy said:
Just what the Church needs - another expose on alleged corruption. If was a mod, I would close this thread, as it is useless for anything other than gossip. But, I’m not.
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Gossip?

It’s confirmed by Cardinal Elector Theodore McCarrick:

Beginning at the 18:20 mark in the video below:
youtu.be/b3iaBLqt8vg
(video from Villanova University)
 
po18guy said:
Just what the Church needs - another expose on alleged corruption. If was a mod, I would close this thread, as it is useless for anything other than gossip. But, I’m not.
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But you made your point. Hint: Moderator, close this thread. That was your purpose. Am I right?
 
No controversy. The article gives too much credit to Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor. He did not “ensure” anything.
 
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