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That is why you are wrong your bio tells the story? walt2000
 
FaithofAbraham said:
How can I be wrong for asking a question? Maybe you are drunk.
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You have hang up ,a thing for the Jew.This is Christian .?Read Rev.22/18, or do you prefer to disregard the only rule Christ put in the interp. of Rev.walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
You have hang up ,a thing for the Jew.This is Christian .?Read Rev.22/18, or do you prefer to disregard the only rule Christ put in the interp. of Rev.walt2000
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That’s probably because the only rule in Judaism is that you can’t believe in Jesus, you have to be an antichrist which…TADA! makes it the religion of Antichrist. And all atheists since they are more than welcome there.

But yet so many Christians can’t get enough of it, they sit like puppies with their tongues dripping, begging for more. Why?

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Do you think Jews, in their current state of rejecting Jesus, are ever going to blast Muslims off the Temple Mount one of these days so they can rebuild their Temple?
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That is kind of a complicated subject to give an easy answer. As I’ve said elsewhere, I believe we have been in the “1000 year reign” of Christ since his first coming. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father, right now, ruling from Heaven. So, I see a first fulfillment of Revelation up to Rev 20:4.

I believe future fulfillments are possible up to 20:4, leading up to Christ’s second coming. Mini revelations through out the millenium when God’s people are persecuted and He exacts justice and defeats beasts. That is what reigning is all about. (defeating enemies) And I don’t think they necessarily involve the same historical players each time. Because God’s people (Believers in Jesus) are international, and not limited to the earthly nation of Israel.

So, when it comes to another Jewish Temple I can’t say. It’s possible but not necessary for Jesus second coming. Rev1:1-20:4 has been fulfilled already. At the end of the 1,000 years, I don’t know who the antichrist will be. Satan will be released to deceive the nations for a short time, then the battle of Gog and Magog. Ater that the last enemy “death” is defeated.

I don’t believe the Temple has to be involved in the end, because I don’t believe in a future thousand years with Jesus ruling here in the flesh. Jesus replaced the Temple, and God will never reside there again. God now resides in the temple of our bodies. The next time Jesus comes He will defeat Satan one last time and he will never rear his ugly head again.

I better just stop there.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
ryanoneil said:
So, when it comes to another Jewish Temple I can’t say.
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Do you believe the USA is a Christian nation, and do you think USA should support Israel when it rejects Jesus as Messiah – is antichrist?
 
ryanoneil said:
That is kind of a complicated subject to give an easy answer. As I’ve said elsewhere, I believe we have been in the “1000 year reign” of Christ since his first coming. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father, right now, ruling from Heaven. So, I see a first fulfillment of Revelation up to Rev 20:4.

I believe future fulfillments are possible up to 20:4, leading up to Christ’s second coming. Mini revelations through out the millenium when God’s people are persecuted and He exacts justice and defeats beasts. That is what reigning is all about. (defeating enemies) And I don’t think they necessarily involve the same historical players each time. Because God’s people (Believers in Jesus) are international, and not limited to the earthly nation of Israel.
Stick to preaching leave Rev.alone it is not for you.walt2000

So, when it comes to another Jewish Temple I can’t say. It’s possible but not necessary for Jesus second coming. Rev1:1-20:4 has been fulfilled already. At the end of the 1,000 years, I don’t know who the antichrist will be. Satan will be released to deceive the nations for a short time, then the battle of Gog and Magog. Ater that the last enemy “death” is defeated.

I don’t believe the Temple has to be involved in the end, because I don’t believe in a future thousand years with Jesus ruling here in the flesh. Jesus replaced the Temple, and God will never reside there again. God now resides in the temple of our bodies. The next time Jesus comes He will defeat Satan one last time and he will never rear his ugly head again.

I better just stop there.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
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the Rev. starts with the White Horse .and will end with the White Horse, and yes it did start with the release of the holy spirit.walt2000
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Do you believe the USA is a Christian nation, and do you think USA should support Israel when it rejects Jesus as Messiah – is antichrist?
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USA seems to be their only friend,that seems to stand up for the Jew an that doe’s not go well with you do’s it?walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
USA seems to be their only friend,that seems to stand up for the Jew an that doe’s not go well with you do’s it?walt2000
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Jews are commanded to trust God alone. So they will be destroyed by their disobedience by rejecting Jesus and accepting atheists.

I am the type of best friend Jews will ever have, someone who tells them the truth and warns them to change.

Not someone who pats them on the rear for doing the wrong thing and tempting to send them to hell for it.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Jews are commanded to trust God alone. So they will be destroyed by their disobedience by rejecting Jesus and accepting atheists.

I am the type of best friend Jews will ever have, someone who tells them the truth and warns them to change.

Not someone who pats them on the rear for doing the wrong thing and tempting to send them to hell for it.
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And you do not mind going to hell to prove it do you?walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
And you do not mind going to hell to prove it do you?walt2000
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Going to hell for what, pointing out Christian hypocrisy of telling Jews they are going to hell if they don’t accept Jesus, then building them a nation that hates Jesus?

Explain that one.
 
And the thing is ,a lot of other country’s are on the USA side, and will stand up with the jew.walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
And the thing is ,a lot of other country’s are on the USA side, and will stand up with the jew.walt2000
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Who cares? If the USA is such the big Christian nation it claims to be, why does it support a nation of Judaism that forbids Jesus?

That makes no sense at all.

Unless maybe some Christians want to get all the fish in one barrel to finish the job Hitler started.

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Do you believe the USA is a Christian nation, and do you think USA should support Israel when it rejects Jesus as Messiah – is antichrist?
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Yes and No for the USA being Christian. I fear the day Christianity could be purged from the USA. If it happens I’m afraid we would have another beast on our hands. That is speculation though.

The USA supports many nations that reject Jesus as the Messiah. I don’t really know how much of our support of Israel is religious verses political interest. The USA is an earthly kingdom after all.

I think there is hope for Israel and all nations though. God works in mysterious ways and He reveals His will when he wants it known.

Rom 11:17-23 * But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place and have come to share in the rich root of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. If you do boast, consider that you do not support the root; the root supports you. Indeed you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is so. They were broken off because of unbelief, but you are there because of faith. So do not become haughty, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches, (perhaps) he will not spare you either. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And they also, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.*

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
ryanoneil said:
Thanks for the advice, it is easy to forget sometimes.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
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Revelations is a subject that is better left alone .
I could not begin to tell you the trouble I went through,It  was an absolute obsession ,through out the thirty five, or more years ,I had it in ,and out of the Garbage ,at lest four times, and I could not get it out of my head,only to have to redo it ,over and over,again and again.I through more bible scripture in bin then you can imagine.That is why, I say leave it to the people that are absolutely compelled to it.I don't really think it is worth it.and the consequences are in Rev. 22/18 if you are wrong.That is why I say stick to salvation and leave the damnation alone.walt2000
 
ryanoneil said:
I think there is hope for Israel and all nations though. God works in mysterious ways and He reveals His will when he wants it known.
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I hope you are right for their sakes. As much as I doubt they won’t change without another disaster worse than the Holocaust, I also don’t want to be another Jonah licking my chops waiting eagerly for their destruction.
 
re: “Revelations is a subject that is better left alone.”

Revelations???
 
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