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Are there any confirmed dates in 2011 as to when the Roman Missal will be released?
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For Canada (where Centurionguard is) I think that’s what many anticipate, but it hasn’t been officially announced as in the United States. This press relesase from the CCCB acknowledges the November 27, 2011 date chosen for the U.S. while steadfastly avoiding saying that it’ll be ready in Canada at the same time.Advent 2011.
John Paul II hasn’t been beatified. The Congregation for the Causes of the Saints has only made a declaration of heroic virtue. He is Venerable John Paul II, not Blessed.
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:shrug:Sorry about this but I have to say it.Thanks for your correction. May I point out you omitted the definite article.
The fact remains, liberal publications often give misinformation. Anyone not knowing the truth about what is being said can be mislead. The struggle within the Church to discount the liberal changes remains weak, but more information has been peeping through various statements by the Bishops, who as a majority, pay little attention to Rome, or make their own suppositions of what the Pope has said.Just because it has an article from Joan Chittister? You only read newspapers in which you agree with every columnist?
Or does the magazine have a systematic liberal bias that doesn’t appeal to you? Even though I’m fairly orthodox I do read NCR from time to time, I’m not allergic to points of view I don’t agree with, in fact they often help strengthen my orthodoxy.
Yes, but a valid point is that the English translations that have been offered from the English speaking Bishops’ conferences, and were approved by the Vatican, have been subsequently altered by some in the Vatican, without the knowledge or acceptance of the Bishops (conferences) that submitted their translation to the Vatican.With the title of this thread in mind, it is important to mention that NO revisions at all are being made to the Roman Missal. It is only its English translation that has been revised.
Is it a British thing or are you just extra prickly that you can not take correction without comment?
And this is a “valid point” because…? And its relationship to the question of when the new translations will be used is…?Yes, but a valid point is that the English translations that have been offered from the English speaking Bishops’ conferences, and were approved by the Vatican, have been subsequently altered by some in the Vatican, without the knowledge or acceptance of the Bishops (conferences) that submitted their translation to the Vatican.
I agree. None of us are used to the “flow of it…”Here is a link to a copy of it.
wikispooks.com/wiki/Template:RCMissal
I used it for a personal mass and the flow of it seems off.
probully because I am not used to it mostly.
ah, so I just have to learn to go, with the flow?I agree. None of us are used to the “flow of it…”
Just like the vernacular of the Pauline missal seemed “off” to those raised on the Latin of the (now) EF.
Give it time and acclimate yourself to the more “elevated” language. I’ll bet in a short while you will find yourself familiar with and appreciative of the more accurate translation.
I too am Canadian and I’ve asked my parish Priest along with a few other Priests, religious sisters, religious brothers, and a few of my friends the following quiestionFor Canada (where Centurionguard is) I think that’s what many anticipate, but it hasn’t been officially announced as in the United States. This press relesase from the CCCB acknowledges the November 27, 2011 date chosen for the U.S. while steadfastly avoiding saying that it’ll be ready in Canada at the same time.
Oh, it will be worldwide, but different countries need different adaptations and will implement the new edition in their own time. The Roman Missal for Canada would contain the Propers for certain saints that probably wouldn’t be in the Roman Missal for the US or England and Wales. Marguerite Bourgeois and Marguerite d’Youville come to mind.I too am Canadian and I’ve asked my parish Priest along with a few other Priests, religious sisters, religious brothers, and a few of my friends the following quiestion
Is this only for the United States of America or will this “change” happen in Canada and wordwide as well?
Most of them replied that it will be for Canada…Worldwide.
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Our present Roman Missal may have been published in the US, though I doubt it, but it’s not the same as the US Roman Missal. There may be other differences, but the most blatant is our use of different introductions to the Memorial Acclamation.Would Canada have its own source for Missals if we don’t adopt the changes the same time as the US? I think the Missals that we use come from a US publisher. I could be wrong. Anyone?
True enough, although Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church, that language is not imposed on us at Mass and the priest is free to use the vernacular.I saw a discussion on “The New Translation of the Mass” with Fr Mitch Pacwa,SJ and Colin Donovan on youtube, and they were discussing some common responses by the congregation, CAN be in the Latin vernacular. They did not say that the Latin MUST be used, but CAN be used, and that is up to the discretion of the Priest, or something to that effect.
The reason it has taken so long for this new translation is due to the fact that Rome has insisted that there be 1 English translation worldwide. The date for implementing the new translation is the 1st Sunday of Advent 2011. South Africa jumped the gun and started using it already, and Rome was not happy.Oh, it will be worldwide, but different countries need different adaptations and will implement the new edition in their own time. The Roman Missal for Canada would contain the Propers for certain saints that probably wouldn’t be in the Roman Missal for the US or England and Wales. Marguerite Bourgeois and Marguerite d’Youville come to mind.
They would, perhaps, seek different adaptions on posture or gestures that need to be approved by Rome and that approval might not be received before the US promulgates the new Roman Missal.
The difference between the US and Canada on this is that the USCCB has kept the public somewhat in the know as the process has gone on, making known that they were voting on specific books and making known the disagreements and arguments they have had. The CCCB has not commented at all on the process. We couldn’t even get a straight answer as to why our ORDO references the new GIRM when we are still functioning with the 1975 GIRM and need to use the USCCB’s website to find those references.
First there was total silence on the matter; then, when pressed, they said both the English and French translations had to be implemented together; then they opined that they weren’t obligated to promulgate the new GIRM until the Missal was translated and promulgated because the GIRM belonged specifically to that Missal. It’s been nothing if not frustrating.