Revised Roman Missal 2011

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Are there any confirmed dates in 2011 as to when the Roman Missal will be released?
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Jason_Diebolt said:
Advent 2011.
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For Canada (where Centurionguard is) I think that’s what many anticipate, but it hasn’t been officially announced as in the United States. This press relesase from the CCCB acknowledges the November 27, 2011 date chosen for the U.S. while steadfastly avoiding saying that it’ll be ready in Canada at the same time.
 
I was just thinking that if there had been as much discussion about the changes to the Mass and translation that happened after the councel as we have about just getting a corrected translation of the Latin for English use maybe a lot of the confussion of what did and did not change in to intire church would have been avoided.
 
PacoG said:
John Paul II hasn’t been beatified. The Congregation for the Causes of the Saints has only made a declaration of heroic virtue. He is Venerable John Paul II, not Blessed.

I have finally passed from “Junior Member” to “Regular Member.” Yay. 😃
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Matthew_Holford said:
Thanks for your correction. May I point out you omitted the definite article.
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:shrug:Sorry about this but I have to say it.🤷

Is it a British thing or are you just extra prickly that you can not take correction without comment?
 
OraLabora said:
Just because it has an article from Joan Chittister? You only read newspapers in which you agree with every columnist? :confused:

Or does the magazine have a systematic liberal bias that doesn’t appeal to you? Even though I’m fairly orthodox I do read NCR from time to time, I’m not allergic to points of view I don’t agree with, in fact they often help strengthen my orthodoxy.
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The fact remains, liberal publications often give misinformation. Anyone not knowing the truth about what is being said can be mislead. The struggle within the Church to discount the liberal changes remains weak, but more information has been peeping through various statements by the Bishops, who as a majority, pay little attention to Rome, or make their own suppositions of what the Pope has said.
 
Chatter163 said:
With the title of this thread in mind, it is important to mention that NO revisions at all are being made to the Roman Missal. It is only its English translation that has been revised.
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Yes, but a valid point is that the English translations that have been offered from the English speaking Bishops’ conferences, and were approved by the Vatican, have been subsequently altered by some in the Vatican, without the knowledge or acceptance of the Bishops (conferences) that submitted their translation to the Vatican.
 
diggerdomer said:
Yes, but a valid point is that the English translations that have been offered from the English speaking Bishops’ conferences, and were approved by the Vatican, have been subsequently altered by some in the Vatican, without the knowledge or acceptance of the Bishops (conferences) that submitted their translation to the Vatican.
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And this is a “valid point” because…? And its relationship to the question of when the new translations will be used is…?
 
FrCorey said:
Here is a link to a copy of it.
wikispooks.com/wiki/Template:RCMissal
I used it for a personal mass and the flow of it seems off.
probully because I am not used to it mostly.
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I agree. None of us are used to the “flow of it…”
Just like the vernacular of the Pauline missal seemed “off” to those raised on the Latin of the (now) EF.
Give it time and acclimate yourself to the more “elevated” language. I’ll bet in a short while you will find yourself familiar with and appreciative of the more accurate translation.
 
drforjc said:
I agree. None of us are used to the “flow of it…”
Just like the vernacular of the Pauline missal seemed “off” to those raised on the Latin of the (now) EF.
Give it time and acclimate yourself to the more “elevated” language. I’ll bet in a short while you will find yourself familiar with and appreciative of the more accurate translation.
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ah, so I just have to learn to go, with the flow?
some of the words don’t seem to fit, we are relating some of what jesus did in his life and if you try to analyze it literally, it don’t make sence.
but I understand the translation is hard to get sounding right in english.
but now it’s like a latin trying to speak english, ah, I think I see what they are doing.
 
MarkThompson said:
For Canada (where Centurionguard is) I think that’s what many anticipate, but it hasn’t been officially announced as in the United States. This press relesase from the CCCB acknowledges the November 27, 2011 date chosen for the U.S. while steadfastly avoiding saying that it’ll be ready in Canada at the same time.
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I too am Canadian and I’ve asked my parish Priest along with a few other Priests, religious sisters, religious brothers, and a few of my friends the following quiestion

Is this only for the United States of America or will this “change” happen in Canada and wordwide as well?

Most of them replied that it will be for Canada…Worldwide.

God bless,
goforgoal
 
goforgoal said:
I too am Canadian and I’ve asked my parish Priest along with a few other Priests, religious sisters, religious brothers, and a few of my friends the following quiestion

Is this only for the United States of America or will this “change” happen in Canada and wordwide as well?

Most of them replied that it will be for Canada…Worldwide.

God bless,
goforgoal
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Oh, it will be worldwide, but different countries need different adaptations and will implement the new edition in their own time. The Roman Missal for Canada would contain the Propers for certain saints that probably wouldn’t be in the Roman Missal for the US or England and Wales. Marguerite Bourgeois and Marguerite d’Youville come to mind.

They would, perhaps, seek different adaptions on posture or gestures that need to be approved by Rome and that approval might not be received before the US promulgates the new Roman Missal.

The difference between the US and Canada on this is that the USCCB has kept the public somewhat in the know as the process has gone on, making known that they were voting on specific books and making known the disagreements and arguments they have had. The CCCB has not commented at all on the process. We couldn’t even get a straight answer as to why our ORDO references the new GIRM when we are still functioning with the 1975 GIRM and need to use the USCCB’s website to find those references.

First there was total silence on the matter; then, when pressed, they said both the English and French translations had to be implemented together; then they opined that they weren’t obligated to promulgate the new GIRM until the Missal was translated and promulgated because the GIRM belonged specifically to that Missal. It’s been nothing if not frustrating.
 
Would Canada have its own source for Missals if we don’t adopt the changes the same time as the US? I think the Missals that we use come from a US publisher. I could be wrong. Anyone?
 
ConstantineTG said:
Would Canada have its own source for Missals if we don’t adopt the changes the same time as the US? I think the Missals that we use come from a US publisher. I could be wrong. Anyone?
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Our present Roman Missal may have been published in the US, though I doubt it, but it’s not the same as the US Roman Missal. There may be other differences, but the most blatant is our use of different introductions to the Memorial Acclamation.

The US has only “Let us proclaim the mystery of Faith.” In the Canadian Missal we have “Let us proclaim the mystery of Faith” in reply to which we can use any of the four acclamations, then we have the acclamation specific intros:
  • V: Let us proclaim the Mystery of Faith! R: Christ has died …
  • V: Praise to You, Lord Jesus, firstborn from the dead! R: Dying you destroyed our death …
  • V: We are faithful, Lord, to your command! R: When we eat this bread …
  • V: Christ is Lord of all ages! R: Lord, by your cross …
 
I saw a discussion on “The New Translation of the Mass” with Fr Mitch Pacwa,SJ and Colin Donovan on youtube, and they were discussing some common responses by the congragation, CAN be in the Latin vernacular. They did not say that the Latin MUST be used, but CAN be used, and that is up to the discression of the Priest, or something to that effect.

They also were discussing a New Translation change. An example was given in the consecration of the wine.

Currently:…It shall be shed for you and for all.
New Change…which shall be poured out for you and for many.
youtube.com/watch?v=kMxRko5gmr0&feature=related

In regards to the changes in the liturgy, they provided a web address so we may further understand the changes. that was at www.usccb.org/romanmissal

I think that Fr. Mitch Pacwa and Colin Donovan covered a lot of ground on youtube. It’s worth checking out. I found it insightful.

Peace and Love in Christ
Sorry for the YELLING!
 
onemangang said:
I saw a discussion on “The New Translation of the Mass” with Fr Mitch Pacwa,SJ and Colin Donovan on youtube, and they were discussing some common responses by the congregation, CAN be in the Latin vernacular. They did not say that the Latin MUST be used, but CAN be used, and that is up to the discretion of the Priest, or something to that effect.
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True enough, although Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church, that language is not imposed on us at Mass and the priest is free to use the vernacular.

The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy says, though, that every Catholic should be able to give the responses in Latin (and Greek for the Kyrie) and that’s impossible if we never, ever, get taught them or use them.
 
Phemie said:
Oh, it will be worldwide, but different countries need different adaptations and will implement the new edition in their own time. The Roman Missal for Canada would contain the Propers for certain saints that probably wouldn’t be in the Roman Missal for the US or England and Wales. Marguerite Bourgeois and Marguerite d’Youville come to mind.

They would, perhaps, seek different adaptions on posture or gestures that need to be approved by Rome and that approval might not be received before the US promulgates the new Roman Missal.

The difference between the US and Canada on this is that the USCCB has kept the public somewhat in the know as the process has gone on, making known that they were voting on specific books and making known the disagreements and arguments they have had. The CCCB has not commented at all on the process. We couldn’t even get a straight answer as to why our ORDO references the new GIRM when we are still functioning with the 1975 GIRM and need to use the USCCB’s website to find those references.

First there was total silence on the matter; then, when pressed, they said both the English and French translations had to be implemented together; then they opined that they weren’t obligated to promulgate the new GIRM until the Missal was translated and promulgated because the GIRM belonged specifically to that Missal. It’s been nothing if not frustrating.
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The reason it has taken so long for this new translation is due to the fact that Rome has insisted that there be 1 English translation worldwide. The date for implementing the new translation is the 1st Sunday of Advent 2011. South Africa jumped the gun and started using it already, and Rome was not happy.

They are also insisting nthat there be 1 Spanish edition, translation of that has been a nightmare, ever watch a Mexican try to speak to a Dominican? 😃
 
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