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royal_archer
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But if more decent people are armed the criminal won’t be around to long afterwards.
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Sir_Knight
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There are two things that I have in my favor:
*]As I already stated above, if I have doubt with regards to the legality of the sale, even if the buyer meets all of the requirements, I am prohibited by law from making the sale. I don’t need to have proof, just doubt. It’s kind of hard to disprove that a person didn’t have doubt.
*] In order to complete the sale, I have to sign off on the form as well. By signing, I am swearing under penalty of law that I have verified all of the information and that the individual did or said nothing in my presence to make me doubt the legality of the sale. Nobody can force anyone to sign a legal affidavit and if I don’t sign off on it, the sale can not be completed.
… My reply usually is that I do not feel comfortable in signing off on the sale and without someone signing off on it, the sale can not be completed. As long as I do not go into any additional details, the other person has no legal leg to stand on.
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petsr4ever
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How can a so-called “Christian” want to walk around carrying a gun? I can see guns for hunting, and for certain jobs, like police officers or security guards. But the average Joe?
All you have to do is ask yourself this; what would Jesus do? what would He say about carrying a gun? I think we all know the answer to that. Need I say any more?
All you have to do is ask yourself this; what would Jesus do? what would He say about carrying a gun? I think we all know the answer to that. Need I say any more?
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Sir_Knight
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I guess that you have not been following this thread that closely
as I said earlier …I refer you to Luke 22:36-38 where Our Lord commanded His followers to purchase a sword even if they had to sell their cloak to do it. The “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. Pretty much the equivalent of what a gun is today. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Let us also not forget that God rejected Saul as King of the Jews for FAILING to use the sword in executing the King of Amalek in 1 Sam 15:10-23 … clearly showing that being a pacifist was NOT pleasing to God.
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Lycorth
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No, we don’t know what Jesus would do. It is sacrilege to presume to know the mind of God.
God, through the Church, has always upheld self-defense, including lethal means if necessary. That is what Jesus wants of us.
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Monte_RCMS
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Repeat over and over.I guess that you have not been following this thread that closely
I refer you to Luke 22:36-38 where Our Lord commanded His followers to purchase a sword even if they had to sell their cloak to do it. The “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. Pretty much the equivalent of what a gun is today. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Let us also not forget that God rejected Saul as King of the Jews for FAILING to use the sword in executing the King of Amalek in 1 Sam 15:10-23 … clearly showing that being a pacifist was NOT pleasing to God.
WWJD?
What would Jesus drive? A pickup truck [he was a carpenter] with a gun rack in the back [sell your cloak and buy a gun]
Jesus would also spend time at the range and be a life member of the NRA.
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CPA2
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What would this government say? How would what the government say differ from what Jesus would say?
What did the founding fathers say? Why did the founding fathers make gun rights a fundamental right? How does what the founding fathers said differ from what Jesus would say?
Who is closer to what Jesus would say, this government or the founding fathers?
I would really be interested in your analysis!
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petsr4ever
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Apparently you gun enthusiasts would like to really believe that Jesus would want people to carry guns. You must believe in a different Jesus than I do. Maybe you should join the “hutaree”. They claim to be Christians and they love guns. So does the Aryan Nation and the KKK. They all love guns and they all claim to love Jesus.
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Monte_RCMS
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So, if they were organizing two thousand years ago, Jesus would be a life member of the National Sword Association.I guess that you have not been following this thread that closely
I refer you to Luke 22:36-38 where Our Lord commanded His followers to purchase a sword even if they had to sell their cloak to do it. The “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. Pretty much the equivalent of what a gun is today. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Let us also not forget that God rejected Saul as King of the Jews for FAILING to use the sword in executing the King of Amalek in 1 Sam 15:10-23 … clearly showing that being a pacifist was NOT pleasing to God.
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royal_archer
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I believe Jesus is more interested in what is in our hearts than what is in our hands.
The KKK is an anti Catholic organization.
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petsr4ever
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The KKK may be anti-Catholic, but they claim to be Christian. And, yes, I believe, also that Jesus is more interested in what is in our hearts then what is in our hands.
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royal_archer
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You can’t be Christian and hate the church Crist set up.
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Sir_Knight
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There is no record that Jesus carried a sword and being God, He had no need of weapon but He DID instruct His followers to carry a sword and He would have mostlikely encouraged His followers to join the NSA (National Sword Association).
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Sir_Knight
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Given the FACT that Jesus instructed His followers to purchase swords (Luke 22:36-38), and given the fact that the sword of that time was pretty much the equivalent of what a gun is today. It is very likely that Jesus WOULD want people to carry guns. That is the most obvious logical conclusion.
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chriso
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I find it interesting that you apparently consider it ok for police and security guards to carry and wonder why that would be?
If you consider it ok because of their “duty”, why would my duty to protect as a father and husband be of any lesser significance? Would not Jesus want me to protect my children and wife from the despots in the world? I’ve always wondered about the thought processes folks have going on whenver they talk about turning the other cheek. For me its quite a stretch to jump from Christ’s words directly to throwing my wife and kids helplessly in front of those intent upon murder and rape. Try as I might, I’ve never been able to stretch his words to mean that.
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petsr4ever
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There is nothing Christian about carrying around a weapon that is made solely for killing other human beings.
If you really want to do something to protect your family, then make sure that the Catholic church does something about the problem of pedophiles in the church.
If you really want to do something to protect your family, then make sure that the Catholic church does something about the problem of pedophiles in the church.
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royal_archer
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Instead of posting hateful messages against the church, maybe you should pray for an understanding of God’s will.
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CPA2
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Life will tame you.
There were a rash of robberies and “snatch and grab” incidents in the Jeweler’s Row section of Philadelphia, where a couple of jewelry merchants got shot. The jewelers finally had enough because the police weren’t doing anything to stop the robberies, so they all started carrying guns, which is legal in PA (you can carry a gun without a permit in your place of business). The thieves still thought that the jewelers would be easy pickings so they tried a few daylight robberies again. One robbery resulted in 2 thieves getting shot and killed. Guess what? The rash of Jeweler’s Row robberies suddenly stopped.
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CPA2
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Nicely put. Thank you for that thoughtful exegesis.
Personally, I think an across the board ban on handguns while claiming that people can defend themselves using a rifle or shotgun either demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge about guns. For example, rifles have high muzzle velocity and are far more likely to penetrate a target and exit it with enough velocity to seriously endanger whatever is behind the target or inflict a serious, even fatal, wound on another person. Next, in close quarters, the longer barrel of a rifle gets in the way and if the attackers is three arm lengths away, they can effectively prevent the defender from getting off a shot by grabbing the barrel.
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I do not think that your information is accurante. A .223 has less penetration than a .45. However, a .308 is another story! A 16" barrel is about the same length as a hand gun fully extended.
A pistol is able to be concealed. That is the only advantage that a pistol has over a rifle.
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petsr4ever
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the Jesus that I believe in would never carry a gun.
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