Richard Bennett?

[Tonks40]

But catholics reject John chapter three. The apologists simply take the word water from the text call that baptism and reject everything else that is said. It is definitely not a text about baptisim…

Strange…then why did John write (John 3:5) "Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” and not get rid of the word “water”? Then later on down in the text, his disciples go out and baptize everyone? Why didn’t they just declare to His followers that they are now born unto the Spirit? Wouldn’t that have sufficed?

Not in God’s eyes!

The only thing that Christ referenced in this particular text which is not of God is flesh being born of flesh. Spirit and water bring that renewal into eternal life - it’s His law, His command. We must follow.

You choose.

 

[geometer]

The only thing that Christ referenced in this particular text which is not of God is flesh being born of flesh. Spirit and water bring that renewal into eternal life - it’s His law, His command. We must follow.

Still you have not grasped much of what he said. He didn’t tell you to take a few words from the text and make up your own story.

Try to account for all of the elements in the first part. Like coming and going like the wind does, and ascending and descending from heaven. If you get all that from a soak in the tub maybe I know less about ancient elemental metaphysics than you do.

 

[Tonks40]

Still you have not grasped much of what he said. He didn’t tell you to take a few words from the text and make up your own story.

Try to account for all of the elements in the first part. Like coming and going like the wind does, and ascending and descending from heaven. If you get all that from a soak in the tub maybe I know less about ancient elemental metaphysics than you do.

The Catholic understanding of the text (which was put together by the Church) does none of what you’re implying. We take the Bible in its entirety, from Genesis through Revelation, not just bits and pieces. It says a lot about the Truth.

It’s quite possible you don’t understand the context in which God was trying to reveal things to His people.

 

[geometer]

The Catholic understanding of the text (which was put together by the Church) does none of what you’re implying. We take the Bible in its entirety, from Genesis through Revelation, not just bits and pieces. It says a lot about the Truth.

It’s quite possible you don’t understand the context in which God was trying to reveal things to His people.

Well you have not supported the text yet.

 

[Tonks40]

Well you have not supported the text yet.

Well, I don’t want to do it here…but I’ll reply to you in this thread along with others to show you that we do have an understanding of John 3 and do not reject it.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=5751294#post5751294

 

[Hisalone]

That Book have flaws.

theplanter.blogspot.com/2008/02/pagan-christianity-rebuttal-1.html

There is only one book I know that doesnt have flaws.

 

[Kamalayka]

There is only one book I know that doesnt have flaws.

Only the 30,000 different protestant churches that read the Book…

The Catholic Church is the True Church.​

Let me ask you this question:

The earliest book in the New Testament was written about 20 years after Christ.

What did the early Christians have before the NT?
**
The Old Testament + the Church.**

In the New Testament, when they use the word “Scriptures,” they refer to the Old Testament only.

(Paul would have to be pretty arrogant to consider the very letter that he was writing as Sacred Scripture!)

 

[lindalout49]

Ex-Catholics are un-educated and lack faiths. You still have answer the questions, I directed at you?

Since you do want to leave the Church then? Then do you not deny the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, and deny his promised to his Apostles that he will not leave them? That he established the Church upon Peter the Rock? You seem to deny Jesus Christ’s words. You do believe in Jesus and yet your desire to leave the Church does not make your a true believer because you deny the fullness of faith.

 

[lindalout49]

Richard Bennett is a Ex-Catholic priest who credentials are in deep question. As for your own doubts about Catholicism and leaving it, I have several questions to ask?

1. By leaving the Catholic Church, you would indirectly DENY thatJesus Christ gave his Church any authority to Peter and the Apostles, and the continuous succession of bishops.

You claimed to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, but doesn’t the Catholic Church teaches that also? If you didn’t know that, you are probably poorly instructed in the RCIA Classes and didn’t LEARN anything from it. You didn’t bare any fruits of the faith because you of your LACK of FAITH. If you so desire to leave the Catholic Church, you would deny everything that Jesus said and DONE.

1. As a Catholic, you would know that our belief in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ when we received Holy Communion? Other than us Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox Church would also believed this based on Scripture and Tradition. In your post, you said you attended a Protestant Church. Protestant Church do not have any Real Presence of the Eucharist and their beliefs on the Eucharist is Symbolic which is a complete departure from authentic Christianity. If they claim any real presence, you don’t have it because they do not have a VALID Holy Orders nor do they have the lineage dating back to the Apostles? Why do the hell do you want to join the Protestant whose history only go as far as 1500s?

If you do depart, you would be leaving Jesus Christ HIMSELF and YOU will NO LONGER RECEIVED HIM at Mass. Protestant claimed that they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is false because they do not consumed the Body and Blood of the Lord. I would describe the Protestants the way the one of the Early Church Father says to those HERETICS who deny the Real Presence.

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).

So do you want to be a heretic, linalout49? Because that what Protestants are. All their doctrines are falses and they are not consider Real Christian Churches… but pseudo Christian Churches. They are also false prophets and deceivers. Since the Reformation, they brought nothing but DIVISION, and violence like the Muslims.

Head knowledge is wonderful to have, but is it really any good if you do not have heart knowledge?

 

[prochrist1]

Please tell me what PAGAN practiiices the Cathloic Church has adopted, You can not be that ignorant or may be you are, jack Chick is so, you can be also

Just read up on Constantine he kept some pagan rituals while yes he did remove some as well, think about it Roman was a pagan nation! every emperor prior to Constantine was also pagan he wanted to keep everyone happy and what better way think of it like had one foot on paganism and one foot in Christianity
but I guess thats Ok because the church believes in local tradition,but could it be that paganism found its way into Christianity ?

 

[Nominefili]

Richard Bennett is a Ex-Catholic priest who credentials are in deep question. As for your own doubts about Catholicism and leaving it, I have several questions to ask?

1. By leaving the Catholic Church, you would indirectly DENY thatJesus Christ gave his Church any authority to Peter and the Apostles, and the continuous succession of bishops.

Meh

You claimed to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, but doesn’t the Catholic Church teaches that also? If you didn’t know that, you are probably poorly instructed in the RCIA Classes and didn’t LEARN anything from it. You didn’t bare any fruits of the faith because you of your LACK of FAITH. If you so desire to leave the Catholic Church, you would deny everything that Jesus said and DONE.

Jeez man, he was just talking. Give the guy a break. That ‘lack of faith’ stuff sounds like something Joel Osteen would say.

1. As a Catholic, you would know that our belief in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ when we received Holy Communion? Other than us Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox Church would also believed this based on Scripture and Tradition. In your post, you said you attended a Protestant Church. Protestant Church do not have any Real Presence of the Eucharist and their beliefs on the Eucharist is Symbolic which is a complete departure from authentic Christianity.

Yeah, it’s not as though that heretic Luther believed in the real presence or anything…

If they claim any real presence, you don’t have it because they do not have a VALID Holy Orders nor do they have the lineage dating back to the Apostles? Why do the hell do you want to join the Protestant whose history only go as far as 1500s?

The original purpose of the Reformation was to remove the office of the Pope and to proclaim to all of Christendom that they were saved by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus. That they didn’t need to buy indulgences (although of course the Church needed St. Peter’s built!) in order to save themselves. That the justifying act of atonement for the sins of the world was accomplished on the cross.

If you do depart, you would be leaving Jesus Christ HIMSELF and YOU will NO LONGER RECEIVED HIM at Mass. Protestant claimed that they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is false because they do not consumed the Body and Blood of the Lord. I would describe the Protestants the way the one of the Early Church Father says to those HERETICS who deny the Real Presence.

I agree that those who deny the real presence of Christ in the sacrament are heretics. However, I think it demonstrates your ignorance to assume that all Protestants are ‘false prophets and decievers.’ Luther never claimed to be a prophet. He just read the Bible and the church fathers.

So do you want to be a heretic, linalout49? Because that what Protestants are. All their doctrines are falses and they are not consider Real Christian Churches… but pseudo Christian Churches. They are also false prophets and deceivers. Since the Reformation, they brought nothing but DIVISION, and violence like the Muslims.

Really Manny? :Cough: Inquisiton :Cough: Crusades :Cough:

And for the record, the Reformation would have never happened if the almighty infallible Pope hadn’t been binding Christian consciences to false doctrine in the first place.

 

[MarcG]

Or maybe they came to a different conclusion about their faith. Interesting, whenever a Protestant converts to the Catholic faith Catholics don’t seem to question his motives but, instead, welcome him home and see the conversion as yet another “proof” of the truth of the Catholic Church. But talk about a Catholic who converts to Protestantism and immediately the man is either evil, uneducated or “has issues”.

Just a Note,
When I see a protestant or other faith tradition convert to Catholicism they always seem to be gratefull for their background, whatever faith tradition it might be. But when a Catholic leaves the church there sems to be a bitterness or anger towards the faith. Anger and resentment enough that they make video degrading the Church.

YBIC
Marc

 

[MarcG]

Just read up on Constantine he kept some pagan rituals while yes he did remove some as well, think about it Roman was a pagan nation! every emperor prior to Constantine was also pagan he wanted to keep everyone happy and what better way think of it like had one foot on paganism and one foot in Christianity
but I guess thats Ok because the church believes in local tradition,but could it be that paganism found its way into Christianity ?

The Egyptians baptized centuries before Christ but we accept Baptism.

The pagan Roman Empire fell and our Lord’s Church remained and his Church is still with us today. Being guided by the Holy Spirit to lead all home to Jesus.

YBIC
Marc

 

[lindalout49]

Richard Bennett is a Ex-Catholic priest who credentials are in deep question. As for your own doubts about Catholicism and leaving it, I have several questions to ask?

1. By leaving the Catholic Church, you would indirectly DENY thatJesus Christ gave his Church any authority to Peter and the Apostles, and the continuous succession of bishops.

You claimed to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, but doesn’t the Catholic Church teaches that also? If you didn’t know that, you are probably poorly instructed in the RCIA Classes and didn’t LEARN anything from it. You didn’t bare any fruits of the faith because you of your LACK of FAITH. If you so desire to leave the Catholic Church, you would deny everything that Jesus said and DONE.

1. As a Catholic, you would know that our belief in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ when we received Holy Communion? Other than us Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox Church would also believed this based on Scripture and Tradition. In your post, you said you attended a Protestant Church. Protestant Church do not have any Real Presence of the Eucharist and their beliefs on the Eucharist is Symbolic which is a complete departure from authentic Christianity. If they claim any real presence, you don’t have it because they do not have a VALID Holy Orders nor do they have the lineage dating back to the Apostles? Why do the hell do you want to join the Protestant whose history only go as far as 1500s?

If you do depart, you would be leaving Jesus Christ HIMSELF and YOU will NO LONGER RECEIVED HIM at Mass. Protestant claimed that they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is false because they do not consumed the Body and Blood of the Lord. I would describe the Protestants the way the one of the Early Church Father says to those HERETICS who deny the Real Presence.

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).

So do you want to be a heretic, linalout49? Because that what Protestants are. All their doctrines are falses and they are not consider Real Christian Churches… but pseudo Christian Churches. They are also false prophets and deceivers. Since the Reformation, they brought nothing but DIVISION, and violence like the Muslims.

Now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13

 

[benedictus2]

Just read up on Constantine he kept some pagan rituals while yes he did remove some as well, think about it Roman was a pagan nation! every emperor prior to Constantine was also pagan he wanted to keep everyone happy and what better way think of it like had one foot on paganism and one foot in Christianity
but I guess thats Ok because the church believes in local tradition,but could it be that paganism found its way into Christianity ?

Other way around, Catholicism christianized what is pagan.

 

[benedictus2]

And for the record, the Reformation would have never happened if the almighty infallible Pope hadn’t been binding Christian consciences to false doctrine in the first place.

Luther was correct to see the abuses and call those involved to task.

But somewhere along the way the beguiling ways of the devil took hold. In his pride, Luther decided to change doctrine, not practice, THAT is where the protestant rebellion went wrong.

And this error is proven time and again as another two bit pastor starts yet again his own church.

As a matter of fact Luther himself said that they themselves have become much worse, much more evil than those they were trying to reform. A tree is known by its fruit…

 

[Hisalone]

Just a Note,
When I see a protestant or other faith tradition convert to Catholicism they always seem to be gratefull for their background, whatever faith tradition it might be. But when a Catholic leaves the church there sems to be a bitterness or anger towards the faith. Anger and resentment enough that they make video degrading the Church.

YBIC
Marc

Not true at all. Catholics continue to make false sweeping statements which are not true. I know many former protestants now Catholics on these message boards who are brutaly anti Protestant and prove they did not know their former faith.

 

[Hisalone]

Other way around, Catholicism christianized what is pagan.

It is impossible to mix the holy with the profane and still to have it remain holy.

 

[Hisalone]

Luther was correct to see the abuses and call those involved to task.

But somewhere along the way the beguiling ways of the devil took hold. In his pride, Luther decided to change doctrine, not practice, THAT is where the protestant rebellion went wrong.

And this error is proven time and again as another two bit pastor starts yet again his own church.

As a matter of fact Luther himself said that they themselves have become much worse, much more evil than those they were trying to reform. A tree is known by its fruit…

And there was no pride at all with Pope Leo?

 

[benedictus2]

It is impossible to mix the holy with the profane and still to have it remain holy.

Mixing yes, converting no. In the same way that Christ became sin to save us from sin.

There is nothing in creation that cannot be sanctified for all of creation is from God. And God saw that it was good.