Riches of the church

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distracted said:
also… When and for what reason did Obama meet w/ the pope??

i would like as much info on that as possible… cuz if i were pope i would have said something to O about how… well, why is he so pro-abortion ??
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President Obama, his wife, and a delegation from the US briefly met the pope while attending the G8 conference in Italy in 2009. The whole affair lasted less than an hour, and so brief that it allowed for little more than introductions. I do not believe that the pope and the president got to meet privately. This was quite early in his presidency.
 
distracted said:
not the priests i have known… they have brand new cars and live in 4 bedroom homes… while many parishioners w/ families live in 2 bedroom homes & drive old beaters…

paltry sum?

i heard they make sometimes 2-3,000 a month…

i wish i had such a paltry income…

and then on top of that, they aren’t even Catholic… !!! (long story…):rolleyes:
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Here’s a link that talks about, from a job and salary perspective, the Catholic priesthood:
jobbankusa.com/ohb/ohb063.html

Here’s the relevant section:

"Diocesan priests’ salaries vary from diocese to diocese. According to the National Federation of Priests’ Council, low-end cash only salaries averaged $12,936 per year in 1998; high-end salaries averaged $15,483 per year. Average salaries, including in-kind earnings, were $30,713 per year in 1998. In addition to a salary, diocesan priests receive a package of benefits that may include a car allowance, room and board in the parish rectory, health insurance, and a retirement plan.

Diocesan priests who do special work related to the church, such as teaching, usually receive a salary which is less than a lay person in the same position would receive. The difference between the usual salary for these jobs and the salary that the priest receives is called “contributed service.” In some situations, housing and related expenses may be provided; in other cases, the priest must make his own arrangements. Some priests doing special work receive the same compensation that a lay person would receive.

Religious priests take a vow of poverty and are supported by their religious order. Any personal earnings are given to the order. Their vow of poverty is recognized by the Internal Revenue Service, which exempts them from paying Federal income tax."

Now, on top of that, realize that a priest does NOT have to live in the rectory. If he owns or has inherited a home, he is welcome to live there. He does NOT have to give it up. Many cars are donated to parishes by local companies, and they stay with the parish. Our local Mercedes plant donated two SUV’s to the church. They also donate SUV’s and cars to the local police and fire departments. They do this to get free road testing for next year’s models (and publicity, of course). Just because a priest (or cop) drives a Mercedes doesn’t mean that he actually owns it.

Of course, $15-$30,000 goes a long way when you have no rent, no insurance, and your car taken care of. That’s why the amount can seem so much more.
 
Rolltide said:
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thanks… 🙂
 
Rolltide said:
President Obama, his wife, and a delegation from the US briefly met the pope while attending the G8 conference in Italy in 2009. The whole affair lasted less than an hour, and so brief that it allowed for little more than introductions. I do not believe that the pope and the president got to meet privately. .
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meeting w/ the pope didn’t last long… or the whole G8 thing??

those G8 peple don’t need to meet long anymore… they have achieved their goal of one world govtmtn…:rolleyes:
 
Rolltide said:
Here’s a link that talks about, from a job and salary perspective, the Catholic priesthood:
jobbankusa.com/ohb/ohb063.html

Here’s the relevant section:

"Diocesan priests’ salaries vary from diocese to diocese. According to the National Federation of Priests’ Council, low-end cash only salaries averaged $12,936 per year in 1998; high-end salaries averaged $15,483 per year. Average salaries, including in-kind earnings, were $30,713 per year in 1998. In addition to a salary, diocesan priests receive a package of benefits that may include a car allowance, room and board in the parish rectory, health insurance, and a retirement plan.

Diocesan priests who do special work related to the church, such as teaching, usually receive a salary which is less than a lay person in the same position would receive. The difference between the usual salary for these jobs and the salary that the priest receives is called “contributed service.” In some situations, housing and related expenses may be provided; in other cases, the priest must make his own arrangements. Some priests doing special work receive the same compensation that a lay person would receive.

Religious priests take a vow of poverty and are supported by their religious order. Any personal earnings are given to the order. Their vow of poverty is recognized by the Internal Revenue Service, which exempts them from paying Federal income tax."

Now, on top of that, realize that a priest does NOT have to live in the rectory. If he owns or has inherited a home, he is welcome to live there. He does NOT have to give it up. Many cars are donated to parishes by local companies, and they stay with the parish. Our local Mercedes plant donated two SUV’s to the church. They also donate SUV’s and cars to the local police and fire departments. They do this to get free road testing for next year’s models (and publicity, of course). Just because a priest (or cop) drives a Mercedes doesn’t mean that he actually owns it.

Of course, $15-$30,000 goes a long way when you have no rent, no insurance, and your car taken care of. That’s why the amount can seem so much more.
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thanks…

i had a feeling that $3000 a month thing was way out there… heard it from a parishioner i thought was reliable… but uh… hmm… i’ve had other problems w/ that parishioner so… whatever… guess i shouldnt be so gullible… 😦
 
distracted said:
meeting w/ the pope didn’t last long… or the whole G8 thing??

those G8 peple don’t need to meet long anymore… they have achieved their goal of one world govtmtn…:rolleyes:
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The meeting with the pope was less than an hour. I don’t think they met privately at all. I’m not sure it would have been very practical or helpful for the pope to go railing off about a president who hadn’t done anything yet in office at that point, especially since he isn’t Catholic. Even if he did plan on some kind of admonishment, it clearly would have been done privately first out of charity, and would have required a longer meeting.
 
Rolltide said:
The meeting with the pope was less than an hour. I don’t think they met privately at all. I’m not sure it would have been very practical or helpful for the pope to go railing off about a president who hadn’t done anything yet in office at that point, especially since he isn’t Catholic. Even if he did plan on some kind of admonishment, it clearly would have been done privately first out of charity, and would have required a longer meeting.
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do you wanna know what I would have said if i had been Pope Benedict?

i would have said soemthing like this:

“Hey… what gives? What do you have against unborn children… and if you don’t care about them… don’t you care that you are probably on your way to Hell?”

yes, we can all see why i am not a world leader… :o
 
Rolltide said:
The meeting with the pope was less than an hour. I don’t think they met privately at all. I’m not sure it would have been very practical or helpful for the pope to go railing off about a president who hadn’t done anything yet in office at that point, especially since he isn’t Catholic. Even if he did plan on some kind of admonishment, it clearly would have been done privately first out of charity, and would have required a longer meeting.
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what are your thoughts on Post 92?
 
***just can’t u/stand why the pope looks so… HAPPY… friendly… with Obama…
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seeing as how Obama was once called Most Pro-Abortion Senator… ***
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Maybe President Obama told him the one about the pope and Raquel Welch in a rowboat.
 
mark_a said:
Maybe President Obama told him the one about the pope and Raquel Welch in a rowboat.
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***i think i know why the pope is so happy-looking…

He’s thinking about the revelation God gave HIm before the meeting… He told him BHO was going to be a one-termer… ***

😃

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distracted said:
what are your thoughts on Post 92?
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I think the pope is likely being charitable and being kind by formally receiving the president of the United States. This is the first time they had ever met. What did you expect the pope to do? He can hardly admonish the president after knowing him for three minutes, especially with no time to do it charitably. It is certainly not outrageous for the pope to be polite and pleasant. Also, and quite importantly, the president is not Catholic! The most constructive thing that the pope could do, should he want to get through to the president, is use his powers as a great writer and theologian to convince the president, who is also quite educated, that his opinion is wrong. At the very least, he would understand the concerns of the church. There are dozens of other ways that the pope could present the Catholic viewpoint to the president. However, if he took Obama out to the woodshed, it would greatly damage the reputation of the Vatican with such an egregious breech of protocol. The US could simply recall our ambassadors and cut formal ties to the Vatican, and then the pope loses even more influence, looks like the bad guy, and he would lose a good portion of the influence that he DOES have. In all things, the pope must act in CHARITY.
 
Rolltide said:
I think the pope is likely being charitable and being kind by formally receiving the president of the United States. This is the first time they had ever met. What did you expect the pope to do? He can hardly admonish the president after knowing him for three minutes, especially with no time to do it charitably. It is certainly not outrageous for the pope to be polite and pleasant. Also, and quite importantly, the president is not Catholic! The most constructive thing that the pope could do, should he want to get through to the president, is use his powers as a great writer and theologian to convince the president, who is also quite educated, that his opinion is wrong. At the very least, he would understand the concerns of the church. There are dozens of other ways that the pope could present the Catholic viewpoint to the president. However, if he took Obama out to the woodshed, it would greatly damage the reputation of the Vatican with such an egregious breech of protocol. The US could simply recall our ambassadors and cut formal ties to the Vatican, and then the pope loses even more influence, looks like the bad guy, and he would lose a good portion of the influence that he DOES have. In all things, the pope must act in CHARITY.
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i really doubt anything like that would happen if the pope diplomatically told BHO … say… that his attitude about abortion is straight from the pit of Hell… (dark humor…):o

still… if I had been in the pope’s shoes… I probalby would have told him i couldn’t meet with him in the 1st place… You know… the bible says to “avoid the very appearance of evil.”

ok… he’s the pope & has to tolerate everyone…

I’m glad I am not in his shoes…
 
distracted said:
i really doubt anything like that would happen if the pope diplomatically told BHO … say… that his attitude about abortion is straight from the pit of Hell… (dark humor…):o

still… if I had been in the pope’s shoes… I probalby would have told him i couldn’t meet with him in the 1st place… You know… the bible says to “avoid the very appearance of evil.”

ok… he’s the pope & has to tolerate everyone…

I’m glad I am not in his shoes…
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Well think about it. He meets lots of other world leaders that have similar views, or that are not even Christian. You don’t see him shake hands with the Dalai Lama, or Iranian ambassadors, or top Jewish rabbis and say, “Nice to meet you, but I’m afraid you must repent and convert”!

It is indeed a tough calling.
 
"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely ‘that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.’ Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. ‘The Catholic church,’ he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood.
 
Samoana90 said:
I was in seminary at one point in my life. And whilst it is true that there are many religious and priests that live frugally, there are a lot who are living too lavishly. It’s scandalous. We spend far too much money on the up keeping of large properties. And why are the cardinals driven around by chauffeurs in their BMW’s or Mercedes Benz?
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My mother works as a parish secretary for a tiny parish. The priest is treated to several what you would call lavish vacations each year by a man in the dioscese who has been blessed with ample wealth. The parish itself bought the priest a “luxury” golf cart he can use in getting around in his small town. Father has also been granted use of a cottage on a local lake. All of these opulences are given by people in gratitude to the work this man has done in 50+ years as a priest. Their generosity has convinced him to remain an active priest instead of retiring, which, when he does, will probably mean the consolidation of his parish with others in the area. Are these gifts – honest outpourings of gratiude from his flock – a sign of indulgence? I don’t think so. Like the woman who anointed Jesus with expensive oil, these gifts are sacrifices on the part of the wealthy that give benefit to all. Perhaps some of the Benzes and buildings that so offend you are of a similar nature.
 
Rolltide said:
Well think about it. He meets lots of other world leaders that have similar views, or that are not even Christian. You don’t see him shake hands with the Dalai Lama, or Iranian ambassadors, or top Jewish rabbis and say, “Nice to meet you, but I’m afraid you must repent and convert”!

It is indeed a tough calling.
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well, he coiuld say that kind of thing… and get away with it…

and millions of Catholics would be doing one ofthese numbers…

:extrahappy::extrahappy::extrahappy:
 
jamescutler said:
"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely ‘that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.’ Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. ‘The Catholic church,’ he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood.
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i fail to see how its a corporation… at least not in the convenitonal sense…

sounds like something made up by an anti-Catholic… who is jealous…

i tend to think a lot of anti-Cathlis ARE jealous… which is why they even go to the point of making up LIES about the Church…

:yawn: :sleep: SO tiresome… :yawn:
 
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