Rick Santorum Announces Presidential Run

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I heard just a tiny bit on Hannity, it sounded good. We will see how he did, that last story with him per Jenner seemed to be at the least, confusing as to what he was saying. He seems prone to that though most of what he says is good. That little episode I think is somewhat forgotten.
 
I think Rick Santorum is a decent man, but I have no idea why he is running, and how he would have a chance in a much more competitive field this time compared to 2012 when he actually won Iowa. Mind you, I think the same thing about Rick Perry, Huckabee, etc. Who would Santorum appeal to in a general election?

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I think Rick Santorum is a decent man, but I have no idea why he is running, and how he would have a chance in a much more competitive field this time compared to 2012 when he actually won Iowa. Mind you, I think the same thing about Rick Perry, Huckabee, etc. Who would Santorum appeal to in a general election?

Ishii
I think it might be because Rick is used to being an underdog, and he feels that maybe he can do something. Plus, Rick does seem to appeal to working Americans. I checked out Santorum’s book, Blue Collar Conservatives, from the library, and in the acknowledgements, Rick talked about how the Romney campaign did a a nice gesture to Rick. Santorum’s campaign never hired a pollster (his belief was that even if he had enough money to afford the poll, he had no money to take advantage of it, so why bother?), thus never having internal polling numbers of their own, so two senior members of the Romney campaign invited Rick over so Rick could see a presentation about the polling data Rick never had. Neil Newhouse, Romney’s pollster, had prepared a Powerpoint presentation and a single sheet of paper for Rick to see.

On the single sheet of paper was the responses for a poll taken a few days earlier in Pennsylvania. Newhouse had noticed that afternoon exit polls had been consistently underestimating Rick’s votes. Case in point, before the polls closed in the Alabama and Minnesota primaries, the Drudge Report and other outlets ran a story based on the afternoon exit polls, projecting Romney the winner in Mississippi and running a close second to Newt Gingrich in Alabama. Rick appeared to be coming third in both races. That night, Rick won Alabama by 5 percent and Mississippi by 2 percent.

As a result of this phenomenon, Newhouse began to ask a new question in the polls: “what time are you beginning to vote?”

According to the single sheet of paper that held the responses to Pennsylvania, Santorum had a 5 point lead among people who planned to vote before noon. Romney had a 4 point lead among people who planned to vote between noon and five pm. But for the people who planned to vote after five pm, Rick Santorum had an astounding 21 point lead! Santorum’s conclusion was that working Americans and busy moms who couldn’t vote during the day were supporting him by coming to vote for him when they could: at night.

So I won’t be surprised if Rick feels like he can target working class Americans and blue collar conservatives. He’s the underdog again, but if Rick can successfully re-brand himself, then who knows?

Anyway, do you have an idea who you’re going to support? I’ve been thinking about either Marco, Jeb, or Rick. It’s still early though, so we’ll see how this plays out. A lot can change in several months. Newt Gingrich was once considered a front runner in the last primary. Rick Perry was another one. But it was a different Rick who was the last serious contender that fell (well, technically Newt and Ron Paul were still running after Rick dropped out, but at that point, it didn’t really matter).

In a sense, politics is kinda like football. You can start trying to predict who’s going to the Super Bowl during the pre-season, but a lot of things can change. Some people ended up thinking that the Saints were Super Bowl contenders while the Cowboys would have a losing record; the exact opposite happened. Hope my football analogy makes sense.
 
I can’t speak for Rick Santorum (and I’m not American never mind a registered Republican so it’s not like I could ever cast a vote for or against him anyway), but a lot of people get into presidential races to make a lot of noise and to raise issues they are passionate about, in the hope to shape the campaign a little bit. This is what’s happening in the Democratic party after all, which basically (for better or worse) already has it’s 2016 nominee.

You can’t begin a campaign saying “I don’t think I’ll win, but please listen to me” because then no one listens, but Rick probably realises he is a long shot (though I don’t think he’s a totally implausible candidate) and maybe his primary reason (pun intended!) for being in the campaign is to talk about what is most important to him. Of course I am sure he hopes he can and will win (outside chance in my view but possible), but maybe also that he can do some good simply by being there.

It’s certainly already a crowded field and a long long looooong way to go (to be honest the campaign started on Jan 21st 2013 which is just ridiculous), so while I don’t have a bone in this fight (well I do but I can’t vote in it 😛 ) it will be a fascinating (sometimes horrifying) one to watch
 
I think it might be because Rick is used to being an underdog, and he feels that maybe he can do something. Plus, Rick does seem to appeal to working Americans. I checked out Santorum’s book, Blue Collar Conservatives, from the library, and in the acknowledgements, Rick talked about how the Romney campaign did a a nice gesture to Rick. Santorum’s campaign never hired a pollster (his belief was that even if he had enough money to afford the poll, he had no money to take advantage of it, so why bother?), thus never having internal polling numbers of their own, so two senior members of the Romney campaign invited Rick over so Rick could see a presentation about the polling data Rick never had. Neil Newhouse, Romney’s pollster, had prepared a Powerpoint presentation and a single sheet of paper for Rick to see.

On the single sheet of paper was the responses for a poll taken a few days earlier in Pennsylvania. Newhouse had noticed that afternoon exit polls had been consistently underestimating Rick’s votes. Case in point, before the polls closed in the Alabama and Minnesota primaries, the Drudge Report and other outlets ran a story based on the afternoon exit polls, projecting Romney the winner in Mississippi and running a close second to Newt Gingrich in Alabama. Rick appeared to be coming third in both races. That night, Rick won Alabama by 5 percent and Mississippi by 2 percent.

As a result of this phenomenon, Newhouse began to ask a new question in the polls: “what time are you beginning to vote?”

According to the single sheet of paper that held the responses to Pennsylvania, Santorum had a 5 point lead among people who planned to vote before noon. Romney had a 4 point lead among people who planned to vote between noon and five pm. But for the people who planned to vote after five pm, Rick Santorum had an astounding 21 point lead! Santorum’s conclusion was that working Americans and busy moms who couldn’t vote during the day were supporting him by coming to vote for him when they could: at night.

So I won’t be surprised if Rick feels like he can target working class Americans and blue collar conservatives. He’s the underdog again, but if Rick can successfully re-brand himself, then who knows?

Anyway, do you have an idea who you’re going to support? I’ve been thinking about either Marco, Jeb, or Rick. It’s still early though, so we’ll see how this plays out. A lot can change in several months. Newt Gingrich was once considered a front runner in the last primary. Rick Perry was another one. But it was a different Rick who was the last serious contender that fell (well, technically Newt and Ron Paul were still running after Rick dropped out, but at that point, it didn’t really matter).

In a sense, politics is kinda like football. You can start trying to predict who’s going to the Super Bowl during the pre-season, but a lot of things can change. Some people ended up thinking that the Saints were Super Bowl contenders while the Cowboys would have a losing record; the exact opposite happened. Hope my football analogy makes sense.
Nice take and good points.

The polls that matter most are the ones that come in on election days (primary or otherwise). In THAT, Santorum was constantly underestimated.

One difficulty he won’t face as much this time is such a lopsidedly underfunded campaign (i.e. Romney had an incredibly more well funded one). The turning points in the 2012 GOP primaries might have been (in quick succession) the Michigan primary where walkup voters went strong for Santorum but were outdone by Romney’s already secured absentee voters. And Wisconsin, where Romney’s early choice of favorite son Paul Ryan (a rather Santorum-like conservative) looked to secure that primary.

There are many GOP candidates I’d be happy to support … in fact, so far I like ALL of them better than the past two nominees!

For different reasons I like Walker, Rubio, and Cruz. I’m glad to see the classy novelty candidates Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson (both established in their respective non-governmental fields and successful). And it’s nice to see a few more Governors on the choice list: Huckabee, Perry, Kasich, Pataki, Christie and Bush (since Governor is an executive position). Get Rand Paul away from his fanciful international isolationism … and get him to stick more to his strict constitutionalism and he sounds better.

But right now I prefer Rick Santorum most of all. National Defense is fast becoming a prime issue as terrorism threatens us internationally and riots and lawlessness does so domestically. His eight years on the Senate Armed Services Committee and his (now prescient looking) legislation against Syria and Iran will loom more important as time goes on. Santorum is emphasizing the economy these days, with a “blue collar” focus on the American worker. And while he tends to shy away from leading with “religious issues” other than retouting Religious Freedom - the press will reliably remind the electorate about that aspect.

Should Jeb Bush drop out of the race or continue to campaign reluctantly … Santorum may even be mainstream enough to be the candidate displaced GOP *moderates * gravitate to! Particularly in Iowa, per the caucusing rules.

It’ll be interesting to see how he does in Iowa and the following primaries this time around. And Santorum himself is often interesting … so the debates will again not be dull. 😃 IMO.
 
One of the best objective political analysts is Larry Sabato from the University of Virginia (Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball). The Crystal Ball’s Managing Editor, Kyle Kondik, noted that “Santorum over-performed in 2012, but he did it against a much weaker field and let’s face it: he did not get particularly close to winning the nomination.”

I never cease to be amazed at the number of misguided candidates who actually think they have a shot at winning the nomination. I don’t know if it is hubris, ego, etc. But of the declared and soon-to-be declared candidates, there are a few that have a legitimate chance, and many more that have no chance at all.
 
I think Rick Santorum is a decent man, but I have no idea why he is running, and how he would have a chance in a much more competitive field this time compared to 2012 when he actually won Iowa. Mind you, I think the same thing about Rick Perry, Huckabee, etc. Who would Santorum appeal to in a general election?

Ishii
Well, I agree. This isn’t good news, and both Huckabee and Santorum do not have solid strategies.

Huckabee is undoubtedly going for broke that he’ll emerge in Iowa with his folksy, heartlandish demeanor. Santorum is counting on winning Iowa again as well. All they wiil do is siphon votes from Walker in Iowa and help Bush win the nomination.

They are decent people, but so are Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz. I’m supporting Walker for now, because he’s got the best chance, I think, but Carson and Cruz have important stories. I also like how Carly is taking on Hillary publicly.

The only offset is that Pataki and Graham are running (and Rubio in FL) that could hamper Jeb from getting the nomination.
 
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Let whomever wants to run, I don’t buy into those conspiracy theories that much of Candidate X siphons votes from Candidate Y. I guess that’s possible.

I have seen some pundits break it down into candidates being “Establishment” or “Tea Party” types.

I am not sure Santorum falls into either category. I think Jeb Bush is having problems garnering votes right now. Hopefully, the better candidates of all will come through.
 
Let whomever wants to run, I don’t buy into those conspiracy theories that much of Candidate X siphons votes from Candidate Y. I guess that’s possible./QUOTE
That is not a “conspiracy theory”. It has to do with the fact that there is a finite number of voters, and that when someone enters the race, they will get at least some votes.
It is possible, because last time we had about 6-7 conservatives running vs. Romney, and if it had been one, they would have a better chance to win the nomination.
 
. Santorum has his social issues stances and nothing else going for him. He’s an unelectable candidate; his only banner is the lost cause of “traditional family values”. I also got the hint that Santorum doesn’t have both oars in the water back in 2012 when he said women should not serve in the military (or at least they shouldn’t be in combat).

This kind of campaigning is not good. It focuses so much on “values” which can never be placated while abandoning what is really in the voters’ best interests. This is what pundit Thomas Frank pointed out in his 2004 book, What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America

Conversely, not focusing on social issues is how Kathleen Sebelius (yes, THAT Kathleen Sebelius) became the previous governor of Kansas.

After 2012, I became disillusioned with social conservatism. I find myself much more inclined towards libertarianism. Rand Paul is my first pick; he subscribes to the radical idea that other people are not the property of the government to be ordered around and micromanaged.
 
If anything, we may be seeing how a lack of conservative social values is detrimental to the country and I’m not speaking about any singular issue.
 
Who’s your choice for the Republican candidate?
Easiest to defeat: Huckabee/Ben Carson/Ted Cruz/Santorum

Most moderate who I can see being best for country: Rubio/Romney/to some degree Rand Paul

Can’t wait for the entertaining debates.
 
This is akin a sequel to a bad movie that nobody really liked in the first place. Does anyone *really *want to watch Grown-Ups 2? Did the world *really *need Hot Tub Time Machine 2? Will anyone *really *vote for Rick Santorum?
 
I think Rick Santorum is a decent man, but I have no idea why he is running, and how he would have a chance in a much more competitive field this time compared to 2012 when he actually won Iowa. Mind you, I think the same thing about Rick Perry, Huckabee, etc. Who would Santorum appeal to in a general election?

Ishii
In such a crowded field it might take even less to win Iowa than it did in 2012. But if your implication is the likes of Santorum, Perry, Huckabee would not appeal to enough voters in a general election, I would have a tendency to agree.
 
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