Rick Santorum: Kids seeking gun control should be 'taking CPR classes' instead

[tomarin]

Seems like a non-sequitor.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Rick Santorum is irrelevant. He is also an idiot.

Yep, that is a statement of FACT.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I work for the “State” not to be confused with the “Deep State”. We have training to “Not Render Aid”. The “State” will not even consider “CPR” training. You’re only legal responsibility is call 911. I tell my wife: "If I happen to die at work, You find the best lawyer possible and sue for ownership of the “State”.

 

[Theo520]

I work for the “State” not to be confused with the “Deep State”. We have training to “Not Render Aid”. The “State” will not even consider “CPR” training. You’re only legal responsibility is call 911. I tell my wife: "If I happen to die at work, You find the best lawyer possible and sue for ownership of the “State”.

It’s sad that official policy has come to that.
I thought everyone was protected by ‘good Samaritan’ laws.

 

[lmachine]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...learning-cpr-wont-save-mass-shooting-victims/

Doctors and surgeons had an important message for former Republican senator Rick Santorum on Sunday: CPR does not save people who are bleeding to death from AR-15 wounds.

 

[Lev]

He is saying the bullet has greater kill capacity than wound capacity. Read all the articles posted so far and stop getting your fake news from propaganda sites.

You really don’t understand your topic, stop pretending.

I’ve presented numerous expert sources both medical and from the mouth of the inventor of the AR15 Eugene Stoner. You are relying on propaganda for your information which I assume is why you never quote any expert sources. Just yourself apparently.

Yea, all rifle bullets are lethal, the AR15 has no significant difference and a medic can tell gruesome stories about the after effects of any weapon.

Is that all you’ve got? All the experts are wrong. You’re the only one who’s right?

 

[Theo520]

They said bullets are bad, I agree with them.

But how do you dispute the facts I presented, that NOBODY hunts medium to large game with an AR15, they use larger caliber weapons.

 

[Lev]

They said bullets are bad, I agree with them.

But how do you dispute the facts I presented, that NOBODY hunts medium to large game with an AR15, they use larger caliber weapons.

You’ve introduced a red herring into the conversations. No one is talking about large game. The comparison is between how different ammunition impacts on the bodies of human victims. The experts clearly say that handgun wounds are often non fatal and treatable as compared to the damage caused by AR15 ammunition which is devastatingly fatal and untreatable especially to a body like a small childs who’s internal organs have been described as unrecognizable mush by medical experts.

 

[OraLabora]

Why not both?

Call me old fashioned, but it seems to me that kids go to school to learn stuff… not to play cops and robbers with real military ammo.

CPR is great, everyone should learn CPR, because just maybe a teacher or student will have a heart attack. Throw in the Heimlich maneuver as well, another good thing to know. But CPR or even a full first-aid course isn’t going to do a whole lot of good when someone’s innards have been blasted against the blackboard by an assault rifle.

Get rid of the assault rifles in ordinary citizen’s hands. Yeah guns don’t kill, people do, yada yada, but there is no need to give to the humans that want to kill tools that can help them do so, and I hate to use the term in this context but am stuck for better words, “efficiently”.

 

[Theo520]

You’ve introduced a red herring into the conversations. No one is talking about large game. The comparison is between how different ammunition impacts on the bodies of human victims. The experts clearly say that handgun wounds are often non fatal and treatable as compared to the damage caused by AR15 ammunition which is devastatingly fatal and untreatable especially to a body like a small childs who’s internal organs have been described as unrecognizable mush by medical experts.

Handgun wounds are non fatal? That’s bull. And you would need to compare hand guns in general with all rifle bullets. You’ll find that all rifles are more lethal than hand guns, The AR15 isn’t magically different than other rifle bullets.

Please just stop the emotional hyperbole.

 

[JonNC]

The experts clearly say that handgun wounds are often non fatal and treatable as compared to the damage caused by AR15 ammunition which is devastatingly fatal and untreatable especially to a body like a small childs who’s internal organs have been described as unrecognizable mush by medical experts.

Then why is it that the overwheming number of gun murders are committed by handguns? Why is it more people commit murder with their hands and feet than with rifles of all kinds?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/knives-gun-control-fbi-statistics/

 

[BoomerangToo]

NOBODY hunts medium to large game with an AR15, they use larger caliber weapons.

The NRA Claims the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly.

According to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, an AR-15 rifle was believed to be used in a school shooting Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas...

slate.com

Turning The AR-15 Into A Great Hunting Rifle - Off The Grid News

The AR-15 is a rifle that needs no introduction; it’s the penultimate American rifle, recognizable by anti-gunners and shooting enthusiasts alike across the globe. Chambered in 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington (basically interchangeable), the AR-15 is essentially a semiautomatic version of the...

www.offthegridnews.com

How to Set Up an AR-15 for Hunting

Try Out This Rifle Hunting Option

www.realtree.com

Why You Should Use an AR-15 as a Deer Rifle

What Do You Think About It?

www.realtree.com

Here Are 7 Animals Hunters Kill Using an AR-15

TIME talked to hunters about why they use this controversial semiautomatic rifle.

time.com

https://www.guns.com/news/2013/03/28/12-reasons-i-hunt-with-an-ar-15-and-you-should-too

Using an AR-15 for Hunting

Regardless of its self-defense and home defense capabilities, the AR-15 can still make a fine addition to your hunting arsenal.

www.liveoutdoors.com

AR-15’s for Deer and Hog Hunting? You Bet! - American Weapons Components

AR-15’s for Deer and Hog Hunting? Every fall, the same argument gets churning in the chatrooms and on the hunting websites: is an AR-15 chambered in .223 Rem/5.56 NATO “enough gun” for deer and hog hunting?

americanweaponscomponents.com

How to Choose the Perfect Hunting AR - Petersen's Hunting

Many love them, a few hate them, but whatever your feelings are, it is hard to argue the fact that

www.petersenshunting.com

AR15 Hunter - Dedicated to Hunting with the AR15

Dedicated to Hunting with the AR15

ar15hunter.com

 

[Lev]

Lev:

You’ve introduced a red herring into the conversations. No one is talking about large game. The comparison is between how different ammunition impacts on the bodies of human victims. The experts clearly say that handgun wounds are often non fatal and treatable as compared to the damage caused by AR15 ammunition which is devastatingly fatal and untreatable especially to a body like a small childs who’s internal organs have been described as unrecognizable mush by medical experts.

Handgun wounds are non fatal? That’s bull. And you would need to compare hand guns in general with all rifle bullets. You’ll find that all rifles are more lethal than hand guns, The AR15 isn’t magically different than other rifle bullets.

Please just stop the emotional hyperbole.

You cite no expert sources. Just continually make statements that are proven to be false as if your opinion is fact. If you don’t want to bother reading expert documentation and if you can stomach it, why not search google images to plainly see the difference in damage caused by handguns compared to the AR15.

 

[Lev]

Lev:

The experts clearly say that handgun wounds are often non fatal and treatable as compared to the damage caused by AR15 ammunition which is devastatingly fatal and untreatable especially to a body like a small childs who’s internal organs have been described as unrecognizable mush by medical experts.

Then why is it that the overwheming number of gun murders are committed by handguns?

Why? Because there are far more handguns in circulation than there are rifles.

Why is it more people commit murder with their hands and feet than with rifles of all kinds?

Redirect Notice

The statistics you quote are not reliable because the chart indicates that in more than 3000 of the 11000 firearms deaths quoted a type of gun was not identified.

 

[Theo520]

@BoomerangToo
I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t used at all for hunting. Where I grew up, the AR15 definitely wasn’t used for large game and was deemed to small for our deer but fine for Antelope and varmints.

Your 7 animals link is suspect. Even a 22lr pistol can kill an elk with a head shot, that still doesn’t make it a good choice for hunting elk or deer. The exception is not the rule. The other animals were mostly small game.

From your link:

While the AR-15 is preferable for smaller game, Will Chambers makes the same gun work for animals of all sizes. To hunt deer, Chambers outfits his AR-15 with a larger caliber receiver.

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[Theo520]

You cite no expert sources. Just continually make statements that are proven to be false as if your opinion is fact. If you don’t want to bother reading expert documentation and if you can stomach it, why not search google images to plainly see the difference in damage caused by handguns compared to the AR15.

Virginia Tech was the result of relatively small caliber handguns (22lr & 9mm), please explain why people died there if he didn’t use an AR-15. Your ‘experts’ are not experts on guns.

 

[JonNC]

Read the data. The overwhelming majority of gun murders is from handguns because the overwhelming number of gun murders are committed in the inner cities. Many of those are by illegal handguns.
As I’ve mentioned over and over, there are a minimum of 5,000,000 AR-15’s in private hands. If one dramatically rounds up to 50 the number of gun crimes committed with AR-15’s , that means 99.9999% of all AR-15’s haven’t hurt anyone.

Guns are not the problem. Behavior is.

 

[JonNC]

If you don’t want to bother reading expert documentation and if you can stomach it, why not search google images to plainly see the difference in damage caused by handguns compared to the AR15.

There is significant difference in damage.
Handguns killed over 7,100 people in 2016, roughly 20 Times more than ALL rifles combined.
Illegal handguns do a significant portion of that damage.

 

[Axsenex]

Its ok after all… he is waiting for an invitation to NRA Christmas Dinner so he can give a private speech about how the CPR could’ve been a difference for Lincoln & Kennedy.

In a way… I would accept a description for Santorum: A disgraceful idiot.

 

[Christopher68]

Very well said. This is, after all, the same Rick Santorum who lost his last statewide election in Pennsylvania by 17%.