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Is it a fact that he attends Latin Mass? Or just hear…say…
 
Tonight I saw a clip played on either MSNBC or CNN of Santorum defending his opposition to universal health care by saying people don’t make the right choices for their health. A mother stood up and said her son has cancer and neither she nor he made bad health choices for him, and asked why her son shouldn’t have adequate, affordable health care coverage despite his condition? Or why he should possibly be denied coverage?

Santorum responded with that’s how insurance works. Saying it’s based on risk.

So I’m sitting there listening and I’m thinking to myself, people get sick through no fault of their own all the time, due to genes or what have you. And I sat there, finding myself kinda stunned by his answer and having to ask myself where his heart is in regards to the sick. Sure risk might be how insurance works. But the way insurance works seems to me to have been part of the problem and why folks who are sick with pre existing conditions and in need of care, either haven’t been able to afford coverage or haven’t been able to get it at all.

thinkprogress.org/health/2012/01/06/399357/santorum-to-mother-of-cancer-survivor-sick-are-to-blame-for-their-pre-existing-conditions-insurers-should-charge-them-more/
 
CMatt25 said:
And I sat there, finding myself kinda stunned by his answer and having to ask myself where his heart is in regards to the sick.
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So you think Santorum doesn’t care about the sick. To care about the sick is to want socialized medicine. Caring about the sick is more important than caring about the unborn, therefore you vote for the party that is in favor of legalized killing the unborn. Is that it in a nutshell? Or am I wrong?

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
Unless he’s running to lead a theocracy, what does that have to do with being POTUS?
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I think there is an association with those who like the traditional mass and those who support traditional values - like marriage being between a man and a woman, believing that babies have a right not to be vacuumed out of a womb and thrown in the garbage, etc.

Ishii
 
irishpatrick said:
No surprise at all. Santorum now looks like a serious candidate.
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I think either he or Gingrich will have to drop out if either wants to give Romney a serious challenge. Otherwise Romney will keep winning by plurality.

I would like to think Paul will rise in NH from where he is now. Given the state motto, he ought to be their favorite.

I can’t wait to see the debates this weekend. I’m sort of hoping that Gingrich will be in grenade mode. 🍿
 
rlg94086 said:
Rasmussen shows him behind by only 3 percentage points…looking interesting…

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Yes it will be interesting to see if we have a repeat in SC of 2008 or not. When McCain won with Iowa caucus winner Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson splitting votes. As things stand now Romney could benefit if Santorum, Gingrich, and Perry move onto SC as it appears they plan to do. Or perhaps Santorum will take the lead. Time shall tell.
 
CMatt25 said:
Tonight I saw a clip played on either MSNBC or CNN of Santorum defending his opposition to universal health care by saying people don’t make the right choices for their health. A mother stood up and said her son has cancer and neither she nor he made bad health choices for him, and asked why her son shouldn’t have adequate, affordable health care coverage despite his condition? Or why he should possibly be denied coverage?

Santorum responded with that’s how insurance works. Saying it’s based on risk.

So I’m sitting there listening and I’m thinking to myself, people get sick through no fault of their own all the time, due to genes or what have you. And I sat there, finding myself kinda stunned by his answer and having to ask myself where his heart is in regards to the sick. Sure risk might be how insurance works. But the way insurance works seems to me to have been part of the problem and why folks who are sick with pre existing conditions and in need of care, either haven’t been able to afford coverage or haven’t been able to get it at all.

thinkprogress.org/health/2012/01/06/399357/santorum-to-mother-of-cancer-survivor-sick-are-to-blame-for-their-pre-existing-conditions-insurers-should-charge-them-more/
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Well, he could have given the Ron Paul answer (i.e., “L-- T— D–”) and gotten applause and it’s to his credit that he didn’t go that route.
 
ishii said:
So you think Santorum doesn’t care about the sick. To care about the sick is to want socialized medicine. Caring about the sick is more important than caring about the unborn, therefore you vote for the party that is in favor of legalized killing the unborn. Is that it in a nutshell? Or am I wrong?

Ishii
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I have no idea the priority Santorum places on the sick, Ishii. I just found his response to sound like “Oh well that’s just how insurance works” to be a bit cold. But yes you’re wrong, Ishii, as I and others have already explained to you countless of times previously. Because no Ishii, for many of us, one issue is not it in a nutshell. Peace.
 
CMatt25 said:
I have no idea the priority Santorum places on the sick, Ishii. I just found his response to sound like “Oh well that’s just how insurance works” to be a bit cold. But yes you’re wrong, Ishii, as I and others have explained to you countless of times. Because no Ishii, one issue is not it in a nutshell. Peace.
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How do you think insurance should work?
 
ishii said:
How do you think insurance should work?
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Me personally? I favor a single payer, something like a Medicare for all, or at the minimum a public option. Not getting the latter in the healthcare debate is in fact one of the problems I had with Obama and some in the Democratic caucus like a Nelson of NE and a Joe Lieberman. But I know far more Republicans opposed a public option. And I believe the healthcare act passed into law (known as Obamacare in your circles) was at least better than the status quo.
 
CMatt25 said:
Me personally? I favor a single payer or at the minimum a public option. Not getting the latter in the healthcare debate is in fact one of the problems I had with Obama and some in the Democratic caucus like a Nelson of NE and a Joe Lieberman. But I know far more Republicans opposed a public option. And believe the healthcare act passed into law (known as Obamacare in your circles) was at least better than the status quo.
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I am completely okay with your state offering a single pyer and/or public option. 👍
 
CMatt25 said:
I have no idea the priority Santorum places on the sick, Ishii. I just found his response to sound like “Oh well that’s just how insurance works” to be a bit cold. But yes you’re wrong, Ishii, as I and others have already explained to you countless of times previously. Because no Ishii, for many of us, one issue is not it in a nutshell. Peace.
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The push to paint Santorum as a cold uncaring politician completely contradicts what he has always stood for…
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there has been at least one constant in Washington over the past 12 years: almost every time a serious piece of antipoverty legislation surfaces in Congress, Rick Santorum is there playing a leadership role.
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In the mid-1990s, he was a floor manager for welfare reform, the most successful piece of domestic legislation of the past 10 years. He then helped found the Renewal Alliance to help charitable groups with funding and parents with flextime legislation.
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More recently, he has pushed through a stream of legislation to help the underprivileged, often with Democratic partners.
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In addition, he’s issued a torrent of proposals, many of which have become law: efforts to fight tuberculosis; to provide assistance to orphans and vulnerable children in developing countries; to provide housing for people with AIDS; to increase funding for Social Services Block Grants and organizations like Healthy Start and the Children’s Aid Society; to finance community health centers; to combat genocide in Sudan.
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I could fill this column, if not this entire page, with a list of ideas, proposals and laws Santorum has poured out over the past dozen years. It’s hard to think of another politician who has been so active and so productive on these issues.
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rlg94086 said:
I am completely okay with your state offering a single pyer and/or public option. 👍
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The problem with that is my state with its current state legislature and governor never would and I can’t afford to move to somewhere like Vermont or somewhere else. And it just doesn’t seem right to me that in the United States it should depend on what state one resides in as to whether people have universal care.
 
CMatt25 said:
The problem with that is my state with its current state legislature and governor never would and I can’t afford to move to somewhere like Vermont or somewhere else. And it just doesn’t seem right to me that in the United States it should depend on what state one resides in as to whether people have universal care.
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And it doesn’t seem to me that a country with 50 different states you should force others to live under one rule.

As long as we are passing laws that go beyond the basic fundamentals of law itself we are going to keep creating frictions between each other that will tear this country apart. This goes for liberals who want single payer healthcare laws and conservatives who want one federal law defining marriage, those are just two examples of hundreds of laws that totally ignore the basic prInciple of law which is for an individual to protect his person, personality and property.
 
havana1 said:
Well, he could have given the Ron Paul answer (i.e., “L-- T— D–”) and gotten applause and it’s to his credit that he didn’t go that route.
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Good point well taken havana. I had nearly forgotten some in the audience cheered letting an uninsured man die. And if I recall correctly the GOP candidates in that debate all just stood silently during the applause not correcting them.
 
CMatt25 said:
Me personally? I favor a single payer, something like a Medicare for all, or at the minimum a public option. Not getting the latter in the healthcare debate is in fact one of the problems I had with Obama and some in the Democratic caucus like a Nelson of NE and a Joe Lieberman. But I know far more Republicans opposed a public option. And I believe the healthcare act passed into law (known as Obamacare in your circles) was at least better than the status quo.
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Why does it have to be at the federal level? Can’t this be taken care of at the state level? What happened to “we’re a democracy of plural beliefs” ? Why does your way have to be applied to the whole country?

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
Good point well taken havana. I had nearly forgotten some in the audience cheered letting an uninsured man die. And if I recall correctly the GOP candidates in that debate all just stood silently during the applause not correcting them.
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That wasn’t Dr. Paul’s response though was it.
 
CMatt25 said:
The problem with that is my state with its current state legislature and governor never would and I can’t afford to move to somewhere like Vermont or somewhere else. And it just doesn’t seem right to me that in the United States it should depend on what state one resides in as to whether people have universal care.
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Why should people in the world have to depend on what country they live in? We need a worldwide, universal healthcare! :rolleyes:

I reject your reasoning. The people of a given state should have the freedom to determine what works best for them in their state. That is the way our country was organized.
 
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