Rick Santorum Thread

[kanzaz]

ME!

He’s solid. catholic. conservative. Plus, he started the bill against partial birth abortion. WOOHOO!

Way better than the “settle for” moderates like Romney and Paul.

Hes A Republican Catholic I Believe , Last time I Voted for OBAMA As A Democrate , But I Think I’m going to Vote For Rick Santorum & Republican .

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hes A Republican Catholic I Believe , Last time I Voted for OBAMA As A Democrate , But I Think I’m going to Vote For Rick Santorum & Republican .

 

[kanzaz]

We Need A Catholic in Our Office that Practice The Faith & Has done Good In His Church & all .

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

I wanted to show you all the Rick Santorum feature of RCTV( RealCatholicTV) Today.

It’s a great short little clip. Very inspiring.

youtube.com/watch?v=9-0aCDYDbnA

Hes A Republican Catholic I Believe , Last time I Voted for OBAMA As A Democrate , But I Think I’m going to Vote For Rick Santorum & Republican .

It’d be awesome if we had an actual conservative candidate.

 

[LiveCatholic]

First off, there is a disclaimer on the top of the WIKI site (which is not actually written by historians, but just people that may feel like spinning a truth a bit. This is the reality of wikipedia) saying that changes and history may not be correct. and that that should be taken into consideration. I tend to not really believe much of what I read on wikipedia. Second, the USS Liberty was an incident that occurred in 1967. I think considering the past 44 years, our relationship has changed. Of course they spy on us and everyone. We do as well. It would be remiss to trust blindly. Only God gets that trust from me.

Couldn’t agree more.

However, regarding Wiki’s adequacy as a resource, given (1) the decidedly non-scholarly, quick-reference use I had in mind for these (2) well-known and factually uncontroversial events, Wikipedia works just fine.

Its not like I was arguing whether such and such a prelate during the 70s was a Freemason or not, based on what I found on Wiki.

Finally, I’m so glad they’ve progressed from simply massacring our servicemen and not apologizing, to bulldozing our children until they’re a blood-fat-crushedbone pancake and not apologizing. We’ve come such a long way…

I don’t blame them one bit for no assist on Iraqi freedom-they were told they would be attacked by their neighbors if they even thought about it. I’d stay home too. You do remember the restraint they showed when being under fire in 1991, right. I remember HW Bush asking them to not respond when they were attacked, which is, in my opinion much more than I would have been able to take.

They’re already attacked. It might actually improve the IDF’s reputation in EY if they’re forced to stop destroying Jewish settlements and grilling Muslim women, and go work for their pay.

Treating your earlier statement, though, Israel can serve its own ‘cold hard justice’ from now on. Because ‘cold hard justice’ is expensive in both American time, money, and blood.

Palestinian Christians are in peril from Palestinian Muslims, not the Israelis. If they feel unsafe, they need to move, out of Gaza. Israel is like the US, it is a melting pot of religions and none harass the other, unless you count the Muslims killing Jews every now and again.

I wonder how many other nations would give back land won in war and history to the previous squatters.

Germany. Where is Prussia now? Where was it after WWI/WWII?

Israel doesn’t give back land out of the deep generosity of its heart. It does so because if it doesn’t start feeding the dogs, it will be gobbled up itself.

Anyway, Israel was founded on an eye for an eye. Nazis steal land, claim its ancestral homeland–kill Jews. Jews given free pass in stealing land, claim its ancestral homeland–kill Palestinians.

I support their right to exist, and be protected as our only allies in the middle of chaos. Iraq was an absolute threat to it’s own people, the US and Israel. I believe they are only better for Saddam’s removal.

Look–I get it, I’ve been to Long Island. I know that in Nassau/Suffolk County Israeli jingoism/sympathizing is kind of a social necessity.

Israeli defense and internal security strategy has used fractions between the Muslim and Christian Arabs since its ‘foundation.’ Its a typical divide-and-conquer strategy. Just look at the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. Just look at the text-book case of Bethlehem with its >90% Christian population in 1947, which was decimated by the wars Israel has started in the region.

Israel’s very existence radicalized the Muslims in that region–both Islamist and secular nationalist Arabs.
Israel makes things hard for the Christians to the North, by using them as a stick with which to beat the Muslim militias who sympathize with the Palestinians.
Israel isn’t the ‘front-door of freedom,’ its our reconnaissance/opinion-maker in this region, and so far its been ‘the boy who cries wolf.’

I don’t really care enough to be anti-Israel, but anyone who goes on a Christian forum and expects pro-Israel flag-waving to be treated as a good thing needs to be have a hard look at the reality for Palestinian Christians on the ground. :twocents:

 

[kanzaz]

I’am going to Say this I do not Blame whats going on , On Obama because this was going on Way before he even step into that Office I think People have given him A Tough time & I do feel bad for him & lets be Honest with the Stuff that’s Stacked up Before OBAMA is Still to be Cleaned up even By A Good Catholic & even He’ll have some Years to go to Clean up & Clear out What Good ol’ Boy Bush Left us with What Has been a Total nightmare & Tough to Clean & clear So everything isn’t Caused by OBAMA It was there Before OBama Caused by President Bush’s Greed & selfish Butt & I Just think OBAMA has People Pulling him down & not letting him up & i think its Wrong for Us to Point the Finger At Obama When It is all have been Done By Bush & While Bush was in Office Including the Dang WAR that we Didn’t need I think That’s part of Our Issue & Financial clash We’ve Spent Billion in A WAR & That Money Could had went into Jobs & Schools & More to Improve Our Country & Schools Instead that Money was Spent on WAR & can I be Honest Bush Killed a lot of People with this WAR & I never thought His Decision Of going to WAR was the way to go & I keep saying Bush Did the WAR because of His Father Not because he really wanted to go & get Osama , It toke 10 Years late & A Different President to get the Job done .

 

[kubark]

Thank you for having the integrity to go back and edit your post with the source.

Btw, the edit is time stamped. So we all know you edited the source in after I pointed it out.

Written on the bottom of your post:

Wow!!

Very astute observation.

You are quite the detective.

And your point is what?

I actually take the time to correct my post and thank you for pointing out the omission, and you act like there is a conspiracy taking place.

LOL!!

So, I take it you do not dispute any of the points raised in the article, do you? Didn’t think so.

P.S. This post was edited at approximately 4:44 in the AM.

 

[kubark]

I am telling you that a sincere Catholic wouldn’t purposely contradict Catholic teaching like what you are doing. Cease and desist this.

DEMONSTRATE how I am contradicting Catholic teaching, or cease and desist your baseless accusations.

 

[Sonic]

Wow!!

Very astute observation.

You are quite the detective. And your point is what?

I take it you do not dispute any of the points raised in the article, do you? Didn’t think so.

The content of the article is irrelevant in my reply to you.

By cherry picking someone’s article and not citing the author or source, you deprived everyone on this message board the ability to check your statements. Only those who have no critical thinking skills and the academically dishonest hide their sources or engage in plagiarism. I hope you never fall into either category.

I provided the source, because I believe people have the right to know where information comes from and who wrote it.

I think we’re done speaking about this.

places Kubark on ignore filter

 

[kubark]

The content of the article is irrelevant in my reply to you.

By cherry picking someone’s article and not citing the author or source, you deprived everyone on this message board the ability to check your statements. Only those who have no critical thinking skills and the academically dishonest hide their sources or engage in plagiarism. I hope you never fall into either category.

I provided the source, because I believe people have the right to know where information comes from and who wrote it.

I think we’re done speaking about this.

places Kubark on ignore filter

I didn’t “cherrypick” anything, and you know it. I did cite the source and I did know the source, otherwise I could not have posted it. Either I forgot to post the source or intentionally did not post the source as you imply. Which do you think it is, and why?Nice try. Now try again. This time, try to respond intelligently and in an academically honest (ad hominems and other fallacious diversions are not welcome) fashion to the points raised in the article.

I ask one more time, do you dispute the factual arguments made in the article or are you going to continue to discredit your own “academic honesty?”

 

[Elle_C]

Couldn’t agree more.

However, regarding Wiki’s adequacy as a resource, given (1) the decidedly non-scholarly, quick-reference use I had in mind for these (2) well-known and factually uncontroversial events, Wikipedia works just fine.

Its not like I was arguing whether such and such a prelate during the 70s was a Freemason or not, based on what I found on Wiki.

Finally, I’m so glad they’ve progressed from simply massacring our servicemen and not apologizing, to bulldozing our children until they’re a blood-fat-crushedbone pancake and not apologizing. We’ve come such a long way…

They’re already attacked. It might actually improve the IDF’s reputation in EY if they’re forced to stop destroying Jewish settlements and grilling Muslim women, and go work for their pay.

Treating your earlier statement, though, Israel can serve its own ‘cold hard justice’ from now on. Because ‘cold hard justice’ is expensive in both American time, money, and blood.

Germany. Where is Prussia now? Where was it after WWI/WWII?

Israel doesn’t give back land out of the deep generosity of its heart. It does so because if it doesn’t start feeding the dogs, it will be gobbled up itself.

Anyway, Israel was founded on an eye for an eye. Nazis steal land, claim its ancestral homeland–kill Jews. Jews given free pass in stealing land, claim its ancestral homeland–kill Palestinians.

Look–I get it, I’ve been to Long Island. I know that in Nassau/Suffolk County Israeli jingoism/sympathizing is kind of a social necessity.

Israeli defense and internal security strategy has used fractions between the Muslim and Christian Arabs since its ‘foundation.’ Its a typical divide-and-conquer strategy. Just look at the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. Just look at the text-book case of Bethlehem with its >90% Christian population in 1947, which was decimated by the wars Israel has started in the region.

Israel’s very existence radicalized the Muslims in that region–both Islamist and secular nationalist Arabs.
Israel makes things hard for the Christians to the North, by using them as a stick with which to beat the Muslim militias who sympathize with the Palestinians.
Israel isn’t the ‘front-door of freedom,’ its our reconnaissance/opinion-maker in this region, and so far its been ‘the boy who cries wolf.’

I don’t really care enough to be anti-Israel, but anyone who goes on a Christian forum and expects pro-Israel flag-waving to be treated as a good thing needs to be have a hard look at the reality for Palestinian Christians on the ground. :twocents:

Actually, you must not know much about places you’ve visited. Long Island is almost completely Liberal. There’s no love lost for Israel in most places out here.

You sound like a Ron Paul supporter. The second Israel disappears, is the second before all heck breaks loose on any American holdings in the world.

 

[Elle_C]

I also have to remind you that most of our Christian roots lie in what is Israel right now. If it were up to the Palestinians, they’d destroy the Church of Benjamin, and raise another Mosque.

I’ll also remind you, that most Christians support Israel. There are Christians all over the world, living in Muslim nations and fearing for their lives. In no way does Israel cause the Palestinian Christians or any other any harm by defending their right to exist.

 

[LiveCatholic]

Actually, you must not know much about places you’ve visited. Long Island is almost completely Liberal. There’s no love lost for Israel in most places out here.

You sound like a Ron Paul supporter. The second Israel disappears, is the second before all heck breaks loose on any American holdings in the world.

I take the idea of an apolitical military to an extreme, and don’t vote. Not being beholden to either party or any particular person is an advantage in political spectator sports.

Your claim that the security of American holdings worldwide is somehow dependent on Israel’s existence is something I would be surprised to hear from even the most paranoid Likudnik. But what do I know. Please explain this fantastic statement.

Next, regarding the Palestinians, you’re absolutely wrong: the Levant has always been protected by WHICHEVER group controls it, because the occupiers are aware of its tremendous cultural significance and tourism value. The Arabs living there after WWI during the British Mandate–a great many of whom were Christian, even despite emigration 1 in 10 Arabs in Israel is Christian–did not litter the area with mosques or pose any particular threat to the Christian sites there.

Many Christians in America support Israel, true. But the bulk of these are evangelical Protestants who (1) have misguided sentimental ties that bizarrely connect their Biblical traditions to Israeli secular nationalism, (2) have leaders constantly in dialogue with Israeli politicians (i.e., not necessarily even Jewish religious leaders, but politicians), and (3) have an idealized Philosemitism that is just as superficial and knee-jerk as some Antisemitism. In North Texas, they fly Israeli flags outside of Baptist churches–and it doesn’t make sense to anyone except whoever hoisted it.

These Western Christians, though, are largely ignorant of the incredible stress the Palestinian, Lebanese, and Syrian Christian populations have been placed under by Israeli ascendency. Long story short, the Arabs needed something to rally around in order to react to the increasing occupation of their country–the initial formula was Islamist jihad, accessible to the vast majority.

This excluded the large Christian minority, and Israel looked to the Christians, Druze, and other religious minorities as potential allies (i.e., that they could pragmatically use to fragment Arab society). As a result, the average Arab Christian is looked at as compromised, and they emigrate in droves. The cynical treatment of Lebanese Christians (our Maronite Catholic brothers and sisters) by the Israeli government has been even worse.

 

[LiveCatholic]

LINK

Senator Santorum is Catholic.

“Senator Santorum’s remark comparing himself to a ‘Jesus candidate’ was inappropriate and exclusionary. It essentially says that those of other faiths or of no faith – whether Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, non-believers or others – do not belong,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. “Religious appeals to voters are simply unacceptable and un-American. Voters should be encouraged to make their decisions based upon their assessment of the qualifications, integrity and political positions of candidates, not the intensity of their religious beliefs.”

Sen. Santorum said Thursday in response to a question from a caller on a radio show that he disagreed the economy was the essential issue of the campaign. The caller commented, “We don’t need a Jesus candidate; we need an economic candidate,” to which Sen. Santorum replied: “My answer to that was, we always need a Jesus candidate. We need someone who believes in something more than themselves and not just the economy. … When we say, “God bless America,” do we mean it or do we just say it?”

As a 501c3 non-profit corporation, ADL takes no position on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for office.

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world’s leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

 

[Spencerian]

So, the Anti-Defamation League, whose goal is to fight *Jewish *bigotry, finds it offensive for Mr. Santorum to express who he is and how his faith works through his politics without mentioning his faith?

In considering a political candidate’s ability to govern and lead, religious affiliation is a proper method to illustrate character. Religion is, in fact, a political position in elections when used properly. Mr. Santorum’s views on same-sex marriage, abortion and stem cell research come from his Catholic upbringing and catechism, which voters (non-Catholic and Catholic alike) can compare and contrast with anyone else.

The ADL should appreciate Mr. Santorum’s descriptions of faith in that Catholic teaching provides a solid idea on what his views are for a topic without guessing or ambiguity. Never mind that members of the ADL may be Jewish and don’t accept Christ; the key is for those in ADL to see the common respect for life and religious freedom that Santorum appears to agree with.

For a non-profit group (whose mission seems to be to safeguard religious freedom) to criticize a man who supports religious freedom is more than absurd. It sounds as if they are saying, “We want to defend religious freedom as long as it’s Jewish,” to a degree.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

ADL is super liberal, as are many mainline Jews, unfortunately.

 

[LiveCatholic]

The ADL should appreciate Mr. Santorum’s descriptions of faith in that Catholic teaching provides a solid idea on what his views are for a topic without guessing or ambiguity. Never mind that members of the ADL may be Jewish and don’t accept Christ; the key is for those in ADL to see the common respect for life and religious freedom that Santorum appears to agree with.

Unfortunately the ADL, since its the ultimate moral authority, knows only two expressions:

(1) “Good doggy!”

(2) “Bad, bad, bad doggy!”

When its not expressing its total moral disgust at what you’ve just done, its petting you or giving you a belly rub for servilely apologizing for something it took offense at.

 

[LiveCatholic]

ADL is super liberal, as are many mainline Jews, unfortunately.

Eh, the demographics are quickly shifting in favor of the ultra-Orthodox religious types, so luckily the Church will have better allies to work with in the Jewish camp within the next couple generations.

The ADL, or Abe Foxman since its pretty much a one mensch show, though, is certainly a breed apart.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

The issue for the ADL is that he specifically mentioned Jesus. How would Catholics react if a Muslim political candidate said we need a “Mohammed candidate”? Or what would the Evangelical reaction be if Romney or Huntsman said we need a “Joseph Smith candidate”?

I think in those situations Catholics and Evangelicals would find those comments to be “inappropriate and exclusionary.”

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

The issue is for the ADL is that he specifically mentioned Jesus. How would Catholics react if a Muslim political candidate said we need a “Mohammed candidate”? Or what would the Evangelical reaction be if Romney or Huntsman said we need a “Joseph Smith candidate”?

The thing is, both of those religions recognize Jesus as important and a holy man.

ADL is just trying to discredit a threatening conservative candidate, because Romney, the centrist, is far closer to their liberal stance.