Rick Santorum Thread

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irishpatrick said:
No, wrong. We do not vote for the person, if we did, then no-one would ever be worthy. We vote for what the person promises to do, and in most cases we are voting against a different plan or set of promises.
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I hope you have a contingency for broken campaign promises, because they are a dime a dozen.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
When I vote, I don’t vote for the person, but rather how he or she has proposed to govern or leglislate. If that person has proposed that they will govern or legislate in a manner that I feel incompatible with my moral beliefs, I do not vote for that person.

Well, at least that is how an informed, values-driven voter votes. When you go into the ballot box and pull the level for or against someone because you think they are personally wonderful, or because they have the same skin color as you, or because they worship in a different church than you, or because they are rich and you hate rich people, THAT form of voting is evil.
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Hardly. A wise man with great integrity is going to, by and large, make the most good decisions. Hence the definitions of wisdom and integrity.

You take the biggest issues of the day, and in light of those issues, and other concerns, you form an opinion of the candidate’s character. E.g., being pro-choice should tell you the candidate is either unwise or lacks integrity (or both). But at the end of the day, there are issues that aren’t covered, and as I mentioned, promises broken, stances exaggerated. You need to be able to trust the candidate you’re voting for can govern with the best principles when the rubber hits the road.
 
Can someone enlighten me, and forgive me if it’s buried in the 55 pages here, how Ron Paul supporters get away with calling Santorum’s pro-life record “a sham”?

It seems to fly in the face of all evidence and reason. It really bothers me.
 
Havard said:
I hope you have a contingency for broken campaign promises, because they are a dime a dozen.
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Upon further relfection, I think you are correct. I think the vast majority vote for personalities, not on ideas or the issues.
 
mizznicole said:
Can someone enlighten me, and forgive me if it’s buried in the 55 pages here, how Ron Paul supporters get away with calling Santorum’s pro-life record “a sham”?

It seems to fly in the face of all evidence and reason. It really bothers me.
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Pray for all those who will march this weekend in San Francisco and else where to end Abortion.

Those who would call him a liar “have not the truth in them.”
The problem for all of us, is the free will, that God has given us, can be used freely by us. I used mine up, to the point of foolishness.Those who attack Senator Santorum slant the truth, but there is only one truth as you must believe. What finally turned it around for me, is the following question. “Did Jesus really die on the cross for my sins? or not?”. I then set out, to read the Bible, to read for myself. Find all the inconsistencies, I had HEARD people talk about. There are none. Anger is not, an answer to truth. Truth stands with, or without me. You have only to ask, and it shall be given to you. Seek and you will find. God Bless you
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_Abyssinia said:
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This should give pause to every Obama voting Catholic;

Overturning Roe? Not anytime soon—Thanks to Catholics

What are your opinions on this?
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I have been saying that since the last election. Abortion remains legal because of Catholics. We have the fullness of the truth, and as a group we have ignored much of that truth. This nation will only make abortion illegal when Catholics decide to love life, more than they hate various personalities or political parties.
 
That still doesn’t answer my question. By what evidence is Santorum falsely pro-life? If there is no evidence, then a lot of Paul supporters are committing calumny.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Not voting can be a reasoned choice. I am faced with that dilemma as some of the Republicans are unacceptable to me, and I’m disillusioned with Obama. The Church bids us to vote, but we are not bound to vote in every contest on whatever level.
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Welcome back! How are you feeling?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Voting for lesser evil is indicating consent of the lesser evil.
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Not according to Archbishop Chaput. he says it is not a matter of supporting the lesser of two evils , it is a matter of voting to lessen evil. we can not let the perfect be the enemy of the possible. to do so cedes the political playing field to those promoting the culture of death
 
irishpatrick said:
I have been saying that since the last election. Abortion remains legal because of Catholics. We have the fullness of the truth, and as a group we have ignored much of that truth. This nation will only make abortion illegal when Catholics decide to love life, more than they hate various personalities or political parties.
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Abortion will remain legal until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP.
 
irishpatrick said:
I have been saying that since the last election. Abortion remains legal because of Catholics. We have the fullness of the truth, and as a group we have ignored much of that truth. This nation will only make abortion illegal when Catholics decide to love life, more than they hate various personalities or political parties.
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It is true and it is very sad, I think Catholics could of made abortion illegal a long time ago if they had voted correctly. Any of the Republican nominees can make pro life progression as president, but following the article, do you think Roe vs wade can be overturned?
 
estesbob said:
Welcome back! How are you feeling?
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Thanks for the welcome! I’m feeling about as well as a person with a broken leg who has been told he’d be using a cane in 6 to 8 weeks would feel when he’s still using a walker after 10 1/2 weeks. 😦

But, given that I had a serious fall down the stairs in the NY Subway system, I thank God it wasn’t worse - as in paraplegic or dead man.
 
irishpatrick said:
Upon further relfection, I think you are correct. I think the vast majority vote for personalities, not on ideas or the issues.
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Well, there’s definitely a connection between the two. The way one stands on an issue, in part, defines his character.

But there are other factors that make up a man that have nothing to do with “the issues.”

Take for example, leadership. One of the points Romney really tries to sell is that he has a “record of proven leadership” in executive roles. Regardless of whether you buy this, the the question of whether one possesses said characteristic should matter, without question. Two great examples of why they matter are Hurricane Katrina and 9/11. They were defining issues in Bush 43’s presidency, yet no one could ever have talked about them as “issues” until they happened. The only thing that could have intimated what Bush would have done, prior to the fact, were evidence of his leadership abilities.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Thanks for the welcome! I’m feeling about as well as a person with a broken leg who has been told he’d be using a cane in 6 to 8 weeks would feel when he’s still using a walker after 10 1/2 weeks. 😦

But, given that I had a serious fall down the stairs in the NY Subway system, I thank God it wasn’t worse - as in paraplegic or dead man.
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Sounds like we both had a rough time. I had quadruple bypass surgery 5 weeks ago today. At least they were able to verify i do indeed have a heart!
 
estesbob said:
Sounds like we both had a rough time. I had quadruple bypass surgery 5 weeks ago today. At least they were able to verify i do indeed have a heart!
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Wow! How are you doing? I am certainly glad to see you posting as usual. God bless you and your recovery. 🙂
 
estesbob said:
Sounds like we both had a rough time. I had quadruple bypass surgery 5 weeks ago today. At least they were able to verify i do indeed have a heart!
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Good for you and I hope you are recovering quickly! My leg injury is but a trifle in comparison to what you went through. 👍
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Thanks for the welcome! I’m feeling about as well as a person with a broken leg who has been told he’d be using a cane in 6 to 8 weeks would feel when he’s still using a walker after 10 1/2 weeks. 😦

But, given that I had a serious fall down the stairs in the NY Subway system, I thank God it wasn’t worse - as in paraplegic or dead man.
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You COULD have woken up as a conservative! ;) Here's wishing you a full, speedy recovery. Rob
P.S. You too, Bob!!! God bless!
 
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