Right to life: Canadian Style, eh?

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Neil_Anthony said:
Bein’ a good ol’ boy getting handed a cushy job with a ridiculous pension on the backs of the tax-paying people because you’re white and have friends in the mayor’s office, while the blacks flip burgers for you to eat and the mexicans work the land for, is pretty close to robbing and cheating in my opinion.

Whether that applies to you or not, I have no idea.
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It doesn’t apply to anyone – it’s your fantasy.
 
rlg94086 said:
I think you have stumbled onto a clever solution! More people should join the military…in fact, encourage everyone to. We will end up with a de facto national healthcare plan. 👍 😛
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LOL. you are right. The DC thing was an anomoly, caused no doubt by the Military’s admission that it never expected the “numbers of surviving injuried service people.” Overcrowding caused the DC problem.

I am aware, so my husband says, that not all VA’s are as good as others. We are blessed here in Iowa. Many come from Ill to take advantage of the great service and treatment.

But alas, I would be a consciencious objector. Do they take you as a volunteer under those circumstances? LOL
 
Brendan said:
Now how many are uninsured by choice.

There was a time in my life I went without health care insurance so I could buy a Mustang GT.

That was my choice ( abiet, a very stupid one). Is it your premise that someone else should have paid for my insurance for me, or should I have I done the responsible thing and purchased a more sensible car?

I agree we should provide a base level of care for those who cannot legimately cover their own insurance. But what about those who could purchase insurance without sacrificing the necessities of life, but would rather spend the money on a fancier car or cable tv?

What obligation does society owe to them?
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What we would like to owe to them is the same thing we would have liked to owe to a knuckle headed kid who thought he was invincible and therefore didn’t need insurance and could buy a Mustang instead—protection so he might be more likely to live long enough to wise up!

Gosh how mean spirited can a person/s be?
 
BamaRider said:
Oh man Neil, now ya got us enslaving the Latin American World. I’m not even gonna respond to that accusation. But there hasn’t been a slave in American for 150 years. I guess your just gonna dimiss all the hard work of immigrants who came here in the early part of the century. THEY were major contributors to get us here, and subsequent generations built upon it.

And the hard work and innovation of the American people had nothing to do with it? There are fertile regions all over the world but they don’t produce like American farmers. On motorcycle trips I’ll spend days riding across the Great Plains. It is amazing how so few, produce so much, for so many. The fertile valleys of Caliornia, fruit basket of the world, were mostly arid, dry places, before American know how and ingenuity brought water in. Been through there a time or two also. For sure lots of natural resources, but you gotta do something with them.

As far as European armies? They are virtually helpless if anyone of any significance attacked them. If somebody flew a plane into the Eiffel Tower, not one thing France could do to respond. A small band of terroists blew a bomb up in Madrid, the WHOLE country rolled over and changed an election. I hate to know I lived in a place where elections are determined by a bunch of thugs with some explosives. Why? Because those thugs know the Spainish can’t do anything about it, just like the rest of the continient. It’s sad.

I’ve been around a place or 2. All documented on my web site. I can’t live, and do what I do anywhere else. I couldn’t afford it. I retired to a good life at age 49. My biggest worry today, is what time I’m going out to run, or I might ride my bicycle down to the historical district and meet my wife for lunch, for no other than I can, but I dunno she has a meeting at 1pm. I get up each morning expecting a good day, I do feel guilty sometimes at having so much fun, and I do give back. But liberals are so mired in woe, and looking for govt to save someone, that can’t get anything done.

So this all goes back to the system you’re in. I happen to think the reason the USA is exceptional is because of the system, but doggone now some want to change it so we can be more like that of Europe?? I’ve seen and experienced middle class in Europe, and here. If a guy doesn’t own 2 cars, all brick home on a 1 acre lot, big screen tv, we call him poor in Alabama. The bar is so high here most Europeans don’t understand.

I hosted 2 of my Brit friends for a 10 day ride of the Southeast in 2006. I could NOT get them out of the 6.99 all you can eat buffets. They never saw anything like it. Kid you not. LOL. I was returning the favor from 2005 when I spent a week riding the UK. I can tell ya a modest mean in restaraunt there goes for about 100 dollars. Eating out is not something the average guy does alot of there.

Look, I’ve had my say, so I’m gonna ease out and go eat lunch. It is 70 degrees and nice here, and I don’t wanna miss anymore of it. Y’all try to have a good day.
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You are the most incredible poster boy for social darwinism claptrap I’ve seen on this forum yet. You hit every single highpoint. I swear somebody has given you all the key phrases. How incredibly predictable. The GOP loves ya dude. An utter intellectual 180. Go for it. Alabama remains the King!
 
vern_humphrey said:
It’s amazing how much bandwidth some people need to say, “I hate America.”😛
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It’s always so much easier to reduce a complex post to simplistic irrelevent phrases isn’t it. Actually I don’t think anyone hates America. Some do for sure hate certain peoples desires for America. Some of us do consider some of you (generic) as theocratic fascists. But hate America? no. We just don’t intend to let it happen.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
It’s always so much easier to reduce a complex post to simplistic irrelevent phrases isn’t it. .
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You mean like this:
You are the most incredible poster boy for social darwinism claptrap I’ve seen on this forum yet. You hit every single highpoint. I swear somebody has given you all the key phrases. How incredibly predictable. The GOP loves ya dude. An utter intellectual 180. Go for it. Alabama remains the King!
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😛
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Europe has a higher population density. The math simply doesn’t allow everyone to own as much land as in the USA.

Also, tell me about the people who made the food and served you at the all you can eat restaurant. Will they get to retire at age 50? Do they have the all brick house and the two cars?

The difference between the systems is you can’t sit on your behind after age 50 and own an obscene amount of wealth unless someone else is suffering so that you can do it. For every guy like you with two gas guzzlers and a McMansion, there are a dozen poor people sweating away in a kitchen in a dead-end job or baking in the hot son picking veggies so that you don’t have to even cook your own food. You can’t have that situation in a fair egalitarian society.
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The problem is you are running up against the American belief that:

If you work hard, you can move up the ladder.
The only worthwhile advance is one made by one’s own devices.
We have a hugely strong work ethic in this country.

All of this was started by the rich robber barons who adopted the then popular social darwinism of the elite eastern schools. They got their laize faire treatment for business, and instilled in the workers the idea that hard work is the noble result of survivial of the fittest. So them that succeeded were “better” and deserving. Those that did not, well, they deserved their place as well. It was a convenient position for the rich of course, obviating any need for social reform and spreading the wealth.

You cannot get through to those folks here who have from their point of view succeeded (remember as long as you can point to someone below you, you have succeeded). They aren’t willing to give anything to anyone else because they don’t feel they should have to. Its mean spirited in the worst sense of the word.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Do you have Americans flocking to Canada for medical care?
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Yes, we do, as a matter of fact. Those who can’t get American health insurance, either because they can’t afford it or because they have a prior medical condition that forbids them from receiving American health care coverage. (This is what you get when your health care provider has to make a profit at the end of the day.)

And every time I post on these threads, I get a dozen PMs asking about the job situation in Calgary - I’ll save you the time - come on up. The City is looking to fill 200 clerical jobs this week and every time I drive down the street, I pass a hundred “help wanted” signs. (But arrange a place to stay before you get here - housing is extremely scarce, these days.) 👍
 
SpiritMeadow said:
You are the most incredible poster boy for social darwinism claptrap I’ve seen on this forum yet. You hit every single highpoint. I swear somebody has given you all the key phrases.
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I’ll give you a hint…EIB
 
jmcrae said:
Yes, we do, as a matter of fact. Those who can’t get American health insurance, either because they can’t afford it or because they have a prior medical condition that forbids them from receiving American health care coverage. (This is what you get when your health care provider has to make a profit at the end of the day.)
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Good for us – let them leech off you, not off of us.
jmcrae said:
And every time I post on these threads, I get a dozen PMs asking about the job situation in Calgary - I’ll save you the time - come on up. The City is looking to fill 200 clerical jobs this week and every time I drive down the street, I pass a hundred “help wanted” signs. (But arrange a place to stay before you get here - housing is extremely scarce, these days.) 👍
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Why on earth would I want to do that?

I provided for myself – I worked hard, saved and invested, and don’t need to leech off someone else’s hard work.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Good for us – let them leech off you, not off of us.

Why on earth would I want to do that?

I provided for myself – I worked hard, saved and invested, and don’t need to leech off someone else’s hard work.
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Bully for you. Did you print your own money, too? Or did someone give you that as a gift in return for the work that you did for them?
 
vern_humphrey said:
Is there an English version of this post?😛
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Nobody “provides for” himself. It is always a cooperative effort. Even if you own your own business and do everything yourself, you still have to rely on customers for your support.

Universal health care is just an extension of the same concept - everybody working together towards a common goal, and supporting each other.
 
jmcrae said:
Nobody “provides for” himself. It is always a cooperative effort. Even if you own your own business and do everything yourself, you still have to rely on customers for your support.

Universal health care is just an extension of the same concept - everybody working together towards a common goal, and supporting each other.
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Hmm…I think I’ve read that concept somewhere else (and supported it in my teens)…what was that called again?
 
jmcrae said:
Nobody “provides for” himself. It is always a cooperative effort. Even if you own your own business and do everything yourself, you still have to rely on customers for your support.

Universal health care is just an extension of the same concept - everybody working together towards a common goal, and supporting each other.
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Oh yeah, now I remember… “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” - I think it was from a Canadian philosopher. 😉 😛
 
rlg94086 said:
Oh yeah, now I remember… “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” - I think it was from a Canadian philosopher. 😉 😛
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The only thing wrong with Marxism is that it’s atheistic. Add in freedom of religion, and it’s all good stuff. 🙂
 
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