RINOS and NEVER TRUMPERS

[PaulinVA]

Would you be willing to make a list of those American Ideals that we as a country espouse?

No, plug in your own.

 

[phil3]

To the best of my knowledge Trump 100% espouse the American Ideals.

 

[DaveBj]

Part of the problem that many Trump supporters don’t understand is that there are people that could agree with every single Trump idea and yet are so appalled as his behavior and personality that they can not bring themselves to vote for him.

That is exactly my position. Fortunately, my vote counts only in Alabama, and Alabama is sufficiently red that I can vote for someone I really like without fear that Biden is going to win.

D

 

[EricF]

I am what you would call a RINO. I don’t really care. I have to register as a Republican to have any say whatsoever In our local elections. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats over the years. The party affiliation means nearly nothing to me. Donald Trump will never get a vote from me, ever.

 

[phil3]

I am a conservative libertarian. I have voted for the GOP 100% of the time as they comes closest to my views. I will vote for Trump because Biden and the his VP who will be the real President if Biden wins are so are left they would fit in well in Cuba’s government.

 

[dochawk]

Whether this should be in news or social justice is a reasonable question, this certainly isn’t casual, and I’ve moved it.

 

[Pattylt]

Did someone move it back? It’s still in Casual Discussions…

 

[Motherwit]

JanR:

None of this behavior should be condoned, but an entire presidency shouldn’t be condemned just because of that.

It’s a LOT more than the womanizing.

I find a lot of conservatives are experiencing the same intense gut feeling about Trump, but are struggling to articulate the core of it because it is cloaked. One day it’ll be revealed for all to see but as a conservative, I’d be going against my very soul to vote Trump.

 

[JanR]

Then, would you prefer the alternative that’s currently available? Biden, who barely knows the time of day sometimes, and Kamala Harris, who is an outright socialist who will tax us through the wazoo and regulate businesses out of business?

What kind of a country do we want?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The ones being called RINOs are the true patriots that are raising the profile and widening the appeal of the Republican party so that Democrats and independents might someday seriously consider other Republican candidates. The ones who are sticking to Trump like glue and simply demonizing everyone who does not support him personally are going to drag the party down the drain along with Trump.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

The Democrats want a one party state.

The Republicans want a one party state as well.

To the best of my knowledge Trump 100% espouse the American Ideals.

Going up to a woman and grabbing them by their privates because they expect it. Those American ideals?
There are fine people amongst the KKK, White Supremacists. Those American ideals?

Donald Trump will never get a vote from me, ever.

Ditto.

I find a lot of conservatives are experiencing the same intense gut feeling about Trump, but are struggling to articulate the core of it because it is cloaked. One day it’ll be revealed for all to see but as a conservative, I’d be going against my very soul to vote Trump.

My wife says the same.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Republicans In Name Only (RINOS)

Wouldn’t this be a form of the “No true Scotsman” fallacy?

or

Scotsman in Name Only?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Just whose side are these folks on?

Their own, I think. Just their own.

Or that Republicans who are against racism are repulsed by his pardoning of Sheriff Apraio, who was convicted for violating the civil rights of Latinos.

He wasn’t convicted of anything. he was held in contempt by a judge who ordered him not to target Hispanics for investigation of whether they were illegal or not. (If not them in Arizona, then who?)

But it was tone deaf of Trump to get him off the hook.

they really don’t have much in common when you get right down to it

Agreed.

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. I think one of the things people don’t like about President Trump is that he’s kind of “in your face”. To me, that’s something I like. Sometimes, you have to be offensive.

Agreed.

watching Trump mocking a disabled journalist

Which he didn’t do except in the representations of the left media.

Given a choice between Trump and a decent man, she will vote for a decent man.

Then she can’t vote, can she?

I look forward to the day when we have a normal person as President.

Which of his specific policies do you disagree with, why, and what is your alternative?

Trump boasts about sexually assaulting women

Wrong again. He didn’t claim to have assaulted any.

If it makes you feel any better, my friend’s belief is that Biden intends to resign early on in his presidency.

Not at all. Then Kamala Harris will be president; the most left wing person in the senate.

I would estimate that anybody with a GCSE* in history would probably understand more about the principles on which the United States was founded and about its system of government than Donald Trump knows.

Do you think? One of the major principles is being able to speak your mind freely. But people don’t want him to do it.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Then Kamala Harris will be president; the most left wing person in the senate.

For a long time I’ve never heard any serious Democratic candidate described by conservatives as anything other than “the most left wing”. The boy who cried “wolf” comes to mind. When a more liberal candidate appears , no one will believe you.

 

[puer.dei]

Which he didn’t do except in the representations of the left media.

And to anyone who actually watched the video.

 

[ProVobis]

To the best of my knowledge Trump 100% espouse the American Ideals.

If American ideals consist of politicizing everything.

 

[pnewton]

There are Republicans, and those who are not. Opposing someone like Donald Trump does not make a Republican one in name only. It makes him a Republican that does not follow Donald Trump. This is a classic “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Indeed, blaming them for not supporting Trump is yet one more example of ignoring the President’s lack of leadership. It is his responsibility to find common ground, not the country’s responsibility to fall in line with a leader. I have no doubt that the Democrats would and should have had the same problem if they nominated and extremist like Bernie Sanders. That would not make Democrats “in name only” either. This sort of insult says nothing, except the one you uses is abandoning logic, and in this case, democracy.

 

[pnewton]

That’s ridiculous. She thinks a man that she believes has dementia is a better choice for President? That is irresponsible and plain hateful.

Watch the charity level. Accusing someone of hate is spiritually dangerous.

“Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.

Which one do you believe has dementia?

 

[Motherwit]

Then, would you prefer the alternative that’s currently available? Biden, who barely knows the time of day sometimes, and Kamala Harris, who is an outright socialist who will tax us through the wazoo and regulate businesses out of business?

What kind of a country do we want?

I was recently reading the address of John Adams to the Massachusetts militia in 1798 which shows the vision of the Founding fathers for the country.

While our Country remains untainted with the Principles and manners, which are now producing desolation in so many Parts of the World: while she continues Sincere and incapable of insidious and impious Policy: We shall have the Strongest Reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned Us by Providence. But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep … simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World. Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by, morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

Then James Madison wrote:

But I go on this great republican principle, that the people will have virtue and intelligence to select men of virtue and wisdom. Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks–no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men. So that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.

Believe it or not there are many people that have deep convictions of this type still today if we were courageous enough to give them a chance.

 

[ChuckB]

Wouldn’t this be a form of the “No true Scotsman” fallacy?

or

Scotsman in Name Only?

Exactly…