RINOS and NEVER TRUMPERS

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Vanny said:
The Democrats want a one party state.
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Both parties want a one party state. Republican party officials want everything run by Republicans just as much as Democrat party officials want everything run by Democrats. And it seems to go throughout most people that register in either party.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
For a long time I’ve never heard any serious Democratic candidate described by conservatives as anything other than “the most left wing”. The boy who cried “wolf” comes to mind. When a more liberal candidate appears , no one will believe you.
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Kamala Harris actually does have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. It’s not just an expression.
Thbolt said:
Accepting a pardon was an admission of guilt. And what Apriao was doing was harassing legal citizens because they ‘might’ be illegal immigrants, which goes against Catholic and American principles.
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I think you’re right about acceptance of a pardon, but if the judge already found you guilty, you’re there anyway.

I don’t know that he was “harassing” people from what I heard of it. To my understanding, he was using that as a criteria for stopping and checking ID. All police everywhere have “profiles” of this kind of violator or that. This judge determined that being Hispanic was not a permissible “profile” criterion for determining whether a person was illegal or not. Did not seem a reasonable ruling to me, but it was hers. He continued using it as one of the criteria for checking and she held him in contempt for it.

I don’t know that it’s a given that doing that is a violation of American or Catholic principles. It was, of course, a violation of this particular judge’s view of things.
 
Shakuhachi said:
That is why we need someone, anyone, who can reach across the isle. We need a moderate.
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I’m not sure there is any such thing as a “moderate” anymore.
pnewton said:
Indeed, blaming them for not supporting Trump is yet one more example of ignoring the President’s lack of leadership. It is his responsibility to find common ground, not the country’s responsibility to fall in line with a leader.
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They said the same thing about Reagan. One remembers that he virtually drove the “Rockefeller Republicans” out of the party and was condemned by many for doing it.
pnewton said:
I have no doubt that the Democrats would and should have had the same problem if they nominated and extremist like Bernie Sanders.
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I understand Kamala Harris has a more liberal voting record than Bernie Sanders. So, what are we to make of that choice?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Kamala Harris actually does have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. It’s not just an expression.
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Even if that is true, the expression has been so overused that nobody gives it second thought.
Ridgerunner said:
To my understanding, he was using that as a criteria for stopping and checking ID. All police everywhere have “profiles” of this kind of violator or that.
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All police everywhere do not use those kinds of profiles to stop otherwise perfectly law-abiding citizens to the extent Apriao did.
Ridgerunner said:
I don’t know that it’s a given that doing that is a violation of American or Catholic principles.
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The Catholic principle is this:
CCC 1935:
The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it: “Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God’s design.”
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The right to go about one’s business is a fundamental personal right. When that right is abrogated on the basis of ethnic appearance, it is contrary to CCC 1935.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
I understand Kamala Harris has a more liberal voting record than Bernie Sanders.
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I knew this claim was going to come up. I guess that is the problem with labels like “liberal” which is why I did not use it. There are plenty of reasons I do not kare for Kamala, but I do not consider her the worst choice, though I have no doubt the political narrative is she is further to the left than Che Guevara, now that she is on the ticket.
 
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phil3 said:
To the best of my knowledge Trump 100% espouse the American Ideals.
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Why is it that there is no record of him or any of his relatives ever serving in the armed forces? He espouses ‘American ideals’? Well, he talks a good game.
 
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Actually, as a young man, his dad did send him off to some kind of military service. Mr. Trump spoke of that in a documentary about his life, leading up to his candidacy. He said it was good for him, as it gave him discipline.

In that same bio, he mentioned losing his brother, Fred, to alcoholism, which is why he doesn’t drink.
 
JanR said:
Actually, as a young man, his dad did send him off to some kind of military service.
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No, Donald was sent to New York Military Academy for High School. That is not military service. That is a military-style high school. Not the same thing at all. You don’t get to call it service until you actually serve in some capacity. He never served anyone but himself. He may have said it was “good for him”, but like everything said by Mr. Trump, it needs to be taken with a whole boatload of salt.
 
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I stand corrected. I knew it had something to do with military, but couldn’t recall exactly. He said it instilled good discipline in him. I take him at his word.
 
EmilyAlexandra said:
It may seem ridiculous to you, but it does demonstrate just what an awful human being Donald Trump is.
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No offense, but it says more about your the kind of person your friend is than Trump.

Any died in the wool conservative who adored Reagan, but found themselves for voting for Hillary and a man who they believe has dementia is either made up, or a fraud to begin with.
 
JanR said:
For quite some time, I have been concerned about the non-support – even the obstruction of and resistance to our President’s efforts to make life better in our country from those in his own party – Republicans In Name Only (RINOS), and the Never Trumpers who were determined to fight him every step of the way just as soon as he announced his candidacy.

These are dug-in folks who aren’t interested in uniting behind our President, who are almost always willing to cave in to the Democrats instead of standing up for the basic values and principles of their party,and who, in my opinion, are as much entrenched in the Deep State as the Democrats are, and don’t want to rock the boat in favor of better change.

I think they’re a big part of the problem of why Congress can’t seem to accomplish anything. They have voted against proposed legislation that would have truly benefited the American people – the 2016 healthcare bill being an example of this. Because a few Republicans chose to hold out, especially one who had previously given his word to vote for it, that bill failed and we lost the House in 2018.

Because a few rogue Republicans refused to stand together with the majority of their colleagues, and refuse to this day to be of any help to President Trump.

Just whose side are these folks on? As far as I’m concerned, they might as well switch their affiliations to Democrat, because they seem to be more in their camp.

President Trump was duly and legitimately elected, and these turncoats in his own party are thumbing their noses at the voters just the same as the Democrats have been doing. If he loses re-election in November, THEY will be partly responsible.
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Geez, I guess I fail the test. I’ll never vote for Trump. And to me, the real RINOs are those who abandoned the party of Lincoln in favor of a reality show host. I can only hope to be partly responsible for his defeat.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Which he didn’t do except in the representations of the left media.
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All I can say is that if Trump was not mocking a disabled journalist, it was a very unfortunate coincidence that at the very moment that Trump said, “You’ve got to see this guy”, he began moving his upper body, specifically his face and hands, in exactly the same way as Serge F. Kovaleski—a facial expression/hand gesture that Trump has not made on any other occasion.
Ridgerunner said:
Then she can’t vote, can she?
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You don’t think Joe Biden is a decent man?
Ridgerunner said:
Wrong again. He didn’t claim to have assaulted any.
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No, he didn’t claim to have “assaulted” women, because that word is seemingly absent from Trump’s vocabulary. He boasted of kissing women without their consent and grabbing their genitals. It’s something he’s proud of doing. I am sure that he doesn’t consider it to be an assault.
Ridgerunner said:
One of the major principles is being able to speak your mind freely.
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When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total and that’s the way it’s got to be.
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He certainly speaks his mind freely, saying ridiculous things like this.
Dr_Meinheimer said:
Any died in the wool conservative who adored Reagan, but found themselves for voting for Hillary and a man who they believe has dementia is either made up, or a fraud to begin with.
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Are you suggesting that I have invented this person? Are Catholics supposed to go around insinuating that somebody has committed a sin against the 8th commandment with no evidence?
 
EmilyAlexandra said:
All I can say is that if Trump was not mocking a disabled journalist, it was a very unfortunate coincidence that at the very moment that Trump said, “You’ve got to see this guy”, he began moving his upper body, specifically his face and hands, in exactly the same way as Serge F. Kovaleski—a facial expression/hand gesture that Trump has not made on any other occasion.
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Of course he was mocking a disabled journalist. It requires some serious 1984-esque tactics to claim he wasn’t and I no longer entertain those who make such ridiculous claims.
 
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