Rioting in Minneapolis again

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Some amazing news coming out and after all, it’s really a pretty nice city for this to be going on. There have been some problems “downtown” for quite a while but nothing like this.

The Basilica, the oldest Church in at least, Minneapolis, Our Lady of Lourdes, some of these churches are very old and I worry about them getting damaged and not being able to be repaired:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298838212186648576

Above, North Star Center I see on the sign, this is perhaps near St. Olaf. All of this news is very upsetting.

I’m sure glad the officer in this story below was wearing a helmet:

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Crowd cheered as Minneapolis officer was hit in the head with garbage can lid - Alpha News

A Minneapolis police officer was struck in the back of the head with a garbage can lid during Wednesday night’s rioting.
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Etc. more news.

From the unrest of two months ago or so, I read the Basilica suffered some damage to some pews. I couldn’t understand that news blurb. How do pews that are well within the church get damaged? But not the outside? I hope everything stays safe. It’s a bad day and age if one has to take great measures to protect the Church.

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It’s a hard time, first, the scandals, then COVID-19, still very much with us and now this unrest.

I read too, they arrested a bunch of people, maybe 47? I have little sympathy for people doing this, because, yes, it certainly isn’t like I see they are minority kids. Rabble-Rousers in my view.
 
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Victoria33 said:
The Basilica, the oldest Church in at least, Minneapolis, Our Lady of Lourdes, some of these churches are very old and I worry about them getting damaged and not being able to be repaired.
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Yes, I’ve been to both of them. Very inspiring. Although the oldest Catholic Church in the area is actually St. Peter’s in Mendota, just the other side of the Minnesota River off of 55.
 
I never made it to Our Lady of Lourdes when I was working in the Twin Cities. I did attend Mass a few times at St Peter’s in Mendota and at the Cathedral in St. Paul as well as the parishes that were near my accommodations.

I found the Scandinavians and the Germans to be some of the nicest people around. That comes from their high trust culture borne of millennia of cooperation to outlast the winters where they came from and they brought that culture with them to the US. With that culture, they welcomed waves of immigrants from different parts of the world, bless their hearts. Further, the late musician Prince stayed there when he could easily have moved anywhere he wanted.

But that high trust has been abused in recent years like never before. So it should not have surprised anyone that Trump nearly took MN from Hillary in 2016, falling short by just 45k votes out of 2.7m cast. In 2012, that margin was 225k votes; in 2008, 298k votes. So the trend since 2008 is fairly clear. Hence MN is definitely in play and the Democrat Party has some serious work to do to retain the state for Biden. In other words, they can’t afford many more riots. At least the response was better this time around so there is that.
 
St. Peter’s may have been there first but I am sure it has been rebuilt basically in it’s present building.

“Our Lady of Lourdes” is still pretty much in it’s original building.
Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church is a Roman Catholic parish church of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis located in Minneapolis, Minnesota in the United States. It was built on the east bank of the Mississippi River in today’s Nicollet Island/East Bank neighborhood; it is the oldest continuously used church building in the city and is part of the St. Anthony Falls Historic District .
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So, I know St. Peter’s has a modern church nowadays. That’s not the original building though, if one says it is the oldest Church in MN, I will not take issue with that but I don’t know if they open tht little stone church.

The Basilica was actually there before the present building as well. The present church was opened in the 1920s. It must cost a lot just for upkeep and if it was ever damaged, I’d think some things would be irreplaceable.
 
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Seems like BLM and/or Antifa at least planned better than John Brown did, getting those pallets of bricks in the right place and at the right time,
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VERIFY: Fact-checking claims about pallets of bricks in protest spots

People have taken photos and videos of bricks near protest sites across the country, but at least some have been there since before protests began.
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People Say Pallets Of Bricks Are Showing Up Near Protests All Over The US. The Truth Is More Complicated.

As of now, there's no evidence to support claims of coordinated brick placements at protests.
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Bricks become fodder for false claims around protests

A pallet of bricks outside a suburban Atlanta home. Stone barriers in front of a Los Angeles synagogue.
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That’s right but I don’t know if it accounts for every single brick and palette; just a number of them.
 
David Shor, who helps get Democrats get elected, said rioting pushes people to the GOP. He lost his job for stating this.

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The real stakes in the David Shor saga

There’s a very real argument about speech in progressive spaces.
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Mass demonstrations work, in other words, but looting and disorder are counterproductive. This was Shor’s sin: repeating Wasow’s findings that marching is good but looting and vandalism are counterproductive.

A former staffer for Bernie Sanders responded to Shor’s tweet on Progressphiles to say “we need to recognize the role data plays in this conversation.” And in particular, “using it to dictate how BIPOC [Black, Indigenous, and people of color] should feel and protest is harmful.”

Shor did not say that protesting is harmful; he said that rioting is harmful. And he didn’t say that data should dictate how people feel . And while one data scientist’s tweet of one political science paper should not be the last word on social movement tactics, the reasonable response to Shor would be to counter with some other form of evidence. Instead, the dialogue followed a pattern in progressive circles that often involves making evidence-free assertions about how members of various groups feel.
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but whoever is behind the planning of the riots also had better communications,
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I’m going with Russia. I guess it could be the RNC, or maybe the Rotary club. In any case, I will believe only evidence, not speculation.

I do hold the opinion though that the absolute crummiest job of planning has been done by the police. Protest are one thing. Once violence starts, it is time to get violent back to clear the streets, at least that is how it works here. Maybe in Minneapolis the citizens do not want the police to protect them.
 
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I’m going with Russia. I guess it could be the RNC, or maybe the Rotary club. In any case, I will believe only evidence, not speculation.
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And here I was just thinking of how someone could post “Rally for Issue at First and Main 3 pm” on Twitter or FB… Not like the old days when you had to print and physically post fliers days ahead of the event.
 
It cannot be overstated that these riots and destruction continue to occur in cities that have Democratic Party Mayors, usually with Democratic Governors, as well: Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, Chicago…

Out of control.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The fact that the cities you cite have Democratic mayors has nothing to do with the violence.
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Just a coincidence then?
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No, in fact it has been explained many times. Do you need me to go over it again, really?
 
Has there been any correlation studies? That would be the first question. The second would be an exploration of possible causation, or remote causation. For example, to do cities with a more conservative majority have a greater racial disparity in police involved shootings? Do they have a greater number of killings by police?

This whole “Democratic cities” shtick does nothing but spread bigotry, not solutions. Rioting and street violence is not a partisan issue. Racial injustice in out criminal justice system is not a partisan issue. I hope after November this sort of posturing and fear-mongering can be put to rest for a couple of years.
 
You say that studies are needed, while Leaf say that it has already been explained too many times.

You guys seem to be off-script.
 
Adamek said:
You say that studies are needed, while Leaf say that it has already been explained too many times.

You guys seem to be off-script.
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Studies, and having things explained to you here, are two separate things. Making it not “off-script,” just common sense.
 
I believe a murder in Minneapolis was committed on a well-used street, Lowry, this week in broad daylight. Pretty horrible. And yes, perhaps, not the best part of town.
 
The fact is crime has been on the rise across the board, in Democratic and Republican led cities, at about the same rate. Most experts attribute the rise in crime to the stresses of the pandemic, unemployment, etc.

To the extent that much of what we see on the news is in large Democratic-led cities, that is because more large cities are led by Democrats. But comparable Republican-led cities are experiencing the same rise in crime.
 
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To the extent that much of what we see on the news is in large Democratic-led cities, that is because more large cities are led by Democrats. But comparable Republican-led cities are experiencing the same rise in crime.
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And, frankly, over the decades, most programs addressing problems in cities are funded by the federal government, not the cities themselves. It’s more complicated than just blaming Democratic mayors.
 
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