Roman Rite Catholic in Brooklyn NY, transferring to the Syriac Church in need of help (Open to Orthodox, and Catholic posters alike)

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You’re right, it’s the journey over that would qualify as a time-consuming trip. Namely in that if memory serves, if one has to travel more than an hour’s worth of time to attend Mass/Liturgy, one’s obligation if lifted (IIRC). In my case, I have plenty of Churches (Melkite, Maronite, Coptic (My borough actually has a Coptic Catholic Church.), Ukrainian, Russian, etc.) at my disposal that are in communion with Rome, and thus not really an excuse in my case. The other thing is, when transferring, the goal is to live in community. That is to say, be a part of the Parish itself. I’m not sure a Sunday commuter can really accomplish that. I’m in Brooklyn NY.

As to Romanizations (I prefer to use that term as opposed to Latinizations, as it’s only fair to the other non-Roman Latin Rites.), I agree with you on that, but the trend goes back far longer than V-II, if anything V-II meant for the Maronites to liberate themselves from such. :-/ Not really sure what else can be said, or done, aside from the people in the pews (Which would probably have to go… ) requesting such, or a direct order from the Pope. Oh what irony…
Actually, the trend goes back only to the post-conciliar era. Yes, there were latinizations (and I prefer that term to the other) from the 16th century, but those were mostly (though not exclusively) of a rubrical nature. That’s actually pretty clear if one looks carefully at the texts. In any case, the notion of liturgical restoration (rather than a Novus Ordo-inspired so-called “reform” :rolleyes:) came to us not from Vatican II but originated in the early 20th century. The project was derailed by WWI but was revived in the 1930s and bore its first fruit in the restored Ritual of Sacraments (which was far more latinized than the Mass), promulgated in 1944. Sadly, the next phase of the project (the Mass) was again derailed for what I’ll call “political reasons” for the purpose of this thread.

What exists today is nothing short of Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization … it’s better that I not go further. I’ve commented often enough about this in past threads. I will, however, say that we desperately need a strong dose of Summorum Pontificum, but unfortunately that just doesn’t seem to be in the cards. 😦
What can you tell me about Traditional Syriac Maronitism ?
I’m not really sure what that means. :confused:
@Malphono:

Just curious, how easy/difficult is it for a person from outside the traditional culture from whence the Syriac/Maronite Tradition stems forth from to integrate into a given community. Namely one who has been raised Roman, and is from a culture well outside the Levant ? Just curious is all.

I would imagine it varies by community, but a general outlook would be appreciated.
Yes, it depends on the particular community. But here, again, I’m not sure what’s behind the question.
 
As a Catholic, you wouldn’t be able to truly be a part of the Orthodox community you hope to observe. The best you could do to remain a Catholic in good standing is to be an observer. You could perhaps be a very welcome observer in this community, but without reception into the Orthodox Church, and observer you’d remain without reception into the Orthodox Church (which I’m sure you already know is not possible for a Catholic).
 
@Malphono:
I’ve actually had the pleasure of praying, and worshiping with Coptic Catholics.
A rare opportunity, to be sure, given the size of the church (about 250K total). ByzCath directory lists only 3 parishes/missions in the country (St. Mary’s in Los Angeles, the chapel in NY, and the Coptic Catholic community in Nashville), though I’ve heard there are 5 now.
A most memorable Liturgy indeed.
From what little I’ve seen (they’re hard to find), I was not impressed at all, but I am glad that you had a positive experience.
I will never forget the aroma of the incense (Which I might add, is said to be derived from that employed in the Temple. Hhhmmm… I wonder if St.Mark had anything to do with that (He was of the Tribe of Levi) ? BTW, Happy feast !)
I don’t see a big emphasis on St. Mark’s Levite identity in the Coptic Orthodox Church, so I don’t know about the ultimate historical source of the incense. It would make sense as a continuation of temple practices, but I don’t think it matters ultimately. Thank you for the nice wishes. 🙂
and how it was the first time that the continuity between the liturgy of the synagogue, and temple registered within their liturgy. I’ll always been indebted to them for that. The Melkites as well in furthering my interests in Antioch, and the Latin Mass for my thirst for Tradition.
You seem to be well-rounded in your exposure to these different liturgical traditions. That’s good. May the Lord bless your further journeys.
 
I am wondering how one can transfer to a Church when one is not able to actually attend that Church. Would a bishop actually allow this transfer?
BTW - Vespers does NOT fulfill a Sunday obligation. It is not a Eucharistic service.
From the CCEO;
Canon 881
  1. The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises.
The Sunday obligation does not require attendance at a Eucharistic service if the legitmate customs of the sui iuris Church allows for the attendance at Saturday Great Vespers. My spiritual father in the Byzantine Church has told me that the custom is just so for Byzantines.
 
The Sunday obligation does not require attendance at a Eucharistic service if the legitmate customs of the sui iuris Church allows for the attendance at Saturday Great Vespers. My spiritual father in the Byzantine Church has told me that the custom is just so for Byzantines.
Perhaps then a “Ruthenian thing”, but the invention and practice of the oft criticized “Vespergy” (Saturday Vespers combined with Sunday Divine Liturgy) seems to contradict that notion. By all accounts, despite concerns over the propriety of this practice, it is widely held that this has been done to provide for the Sunday obligation to be met with a Saturday evening service. This has been explained to me many times by many a well informed and reliable priest, but perhaps I misunderstood …
 
It could be Sunday vespers also since the window of opportunity is about 30 hours.

CCEO Canon 1545
  1. In the law, a day is understood as a period of time consisting of 24 continuous hours, and it begins at midnight; a week is a period of seven days, a month is a period of 30 days and a year a period of 365 days, unless the month and the year are said to be taken as they appear in the calendar.
  2. If the time is continuous, a month and a year are always to be taken as they appear in the calendar.
CCEO Canon 881
  1. The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises.
  2. In order for the Christian faithful to fulfill this obligation more easily, the available time runs from the evening of the vigil until the end of the Sunday or feast day.
  3. The Christian faithful are strongly recommended to receive the Divine Eucharist on these days and indeed more frequently, even daily.
  4. The Christian faithful should abstain from those labors or business matters which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord’s day, or to the proper relaxation of mind and body.
And somewhat different for some:

CANONS OF THE PARTICULAR LAW OF THE UKRAINIAN GREEK CATHOLIC CHURCH

English translation (2006):

Rev. Andrei Kachur, JCL, Judicial Vicar of the Inter-eparchial Marriage Tribunal for the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Canada


**Can. 114 **(CCEO cc. 880 §3, 881 §4) Besides Sundays, the faithful are obliged to observe the following Holy Days:
  1. The Nativity of Christ;
  2. The Theophany of our Lord;
  3. The Ascension of our Lord;
  4. The Annunciation of the Holy Mother of God;
  5. The Dormition of the Holy Mother of God;
  6. The Feast of the holy apostles Sts. Peter and Paul;
On these days, the faithful are obligated to take full part in the Divine Liturgy, to hear the homily, and not to engage in strenuous physical labour.

The synod of bishops encourages all the faithful to take part in the Divine Services during the traditional holy days on the Church calendar.
 
Technically, it appears the door has been opened, as ByzCath alluded (source: APPLYING THE LITURGICAL PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE CODE OF CANONS OF THE EASTERN CHURCHES) …
  1. Feast days
Can. 881 § 1 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches declares that “the Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church , in the celebration of the divine praises,” and § 2 completes it, adding that “in order for the Christian faithful to fulfill this obligation more easily, the available time runs from the evening of the vigil until the end of the Sunday or feast day.” The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches thus provides for the possibility, inspired by n. 15 of the Orientalium Ecclesiarum, to satisfy the precept of Sunday either by participating in the Divine Liturgy, or by taking part in the Divine Office. Such a possibility emphasizes the importance of the Divine Office, and in a certain way renders concretely possible its correct celebration, at the proper hours, and in such a way that the texts correspond fully to the time in which they are celebrated. In fact, the daily cycle begins with Vespers and is extended into the night to culminate in the morning with the Divine Liturgy or Oblation. To celebrate the various parts of the Divine Office in times other than those foreseen by the entire structure of the text risks destroying the equilibrium of the different parts and diminishing the fullness of the eucharistic mystery, for which they are a preparation and of which they are a continuation. Authentic liturgical pastoral theology must bear in mind the whole of the problems and not be limited to simply imitating Western practice. The immediate fonts for restoring the usage should be the prescriptions of the liturgical books published according to the authentic traditions of the different Churches.
So, according to the above, attendance at any service tied to the day of precept could fulfill an obligation (i.e. the “possibility” exists) .

As per Vico’s post, the UGCC has affirmed a requirement for attendance at the Divine Liturgy on days of precept, irrespective. The Ruthenian Norms of Particular Law seem to be silent on the point. However, it is explicit that the bishop and clergy are to celebrate the Divine Liturgy on Sundays and days of precept, and nothing more, so it stands to reason that this point was not covered - Divine Liturgy on Sundays and Holy Days seems to be the expected norm.
 
Technically, it appears the door has been opened, as ByzCath alluded (source: APPLYING THE LITURGICAL PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE CODE OF CANONS OF THE EASTERN CHURCHES) …

So, according to the above, attendance at any service tied to the day of precept could fulfill an obligation (i.e. the “possibility” exists) .

As per Vico’s post, the UGCC has affirmed a requirement for attendance at the Divine Liturgy on days of precept, irrespective. The Ruthenian Norms of Particular Law seem to be silent on the point. However, it is explicit that the bishop and clergy are to celebrate the Divine Liturgy on Sundays and days of precept, and nothing more, so it stands to reason that this point was not covered - Divine Liturgy on Sundays and Holy Days seems to be the expected norm.
The 32 hours fits beginning just after the 9th hour on the previous day to Compline on the day, so it begins where there would be a Divine Liturgy prior to Vespers, or Vespers with Divine Liturgy. (This comment is not intended to indicate the derivation of the rule.)

The Divine Praises follow this cycle of eight periods of prayer, in a calendar day (midnight to midnight - the Roman norm for a fasting day):

Morning [Nocturns, Matins, 1st]
Noonday [3rd, 6th]
Evening [9th, Vespers, Compline]

After 6th is Divine Liturgy (when not fasting) or Typica
After Vespers is Divine Liturgy (when fasting)
Jewish day begins at sunset (Vespers rather than Nocturns) - Acts 20:7 “And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread,…”

So, strange as it may seem today, the traditional is Divine Liturgy on Saturday just before sunset Vespers, but when fasting, Vespers with Divine Liturgy (or as occurs on Christmas, Theophany, Annunciation, Holy Thursday, Holy Saturday).
 
@Malphono:

“What exists today is nothing short of Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization … it’s better that I not go further. I’ve commented often enough about this in past threads. I will, however, say that we desperately need a strong dose of Summorum Pontificum, but unfortunately that just doesn’t seem to be in the cards.”

This is what I was getting to in the context of Traditional Syro-Maronitism.

Namely as regards to what is a Traditional Maronite liturgy sans any, and all Latinizations like ? I’ve only come across one text by a Syriac fellow, which cites that the Maronites can draw from the Western Syriac Liturgy, as observed in Eastern Iraq (ie. Maronites do have an Orthodox counterpart, just not in the strictest sense.).

“Yes, it depends on the particular community. But here, again, I’m not sure what’s behind the question.”

As to how likely it is for an individual with no cultural, or ethnic ties to the Levant, or surrounding regions to be received into a given community. One thing is to be a casual visitor who goes, and receives the Eucharist from time to time, another thing is to be a member of the parish. I’d rather go in with a heads up, whilst leaving room for error in terms of personal experience etc., than go in, and be disappointed. A few friends of mine have had that experience within Byzantine Churches (as has my mother (At least from her perspective. I offer that particular one up.)), and while I’m not saying that Latin Churches are ideal (Not by a long shot…), I more or less know what to expect depending where I go from experience.
 
As a Catholic, you wouldn’t be able to truly be a part of the Orthodox community you hope to observe. The best you could do to remain a Catholic in good standing is to be an observer. You could perhaps be a very welcome observer in this community, but without reception into the Orthodox Church, and observer you’d remain without reception into the Orthodox Church (which I’m sure you already know is not possible for a Catholic).
I actually think it’s a bit more nuanced than this.

Namely in that for Catholics of the East (Byzantine, and Oriental alike), such communities allow them the opportunity to participate, and engage with the phronema of the Tradition that informs their faith. More often than not, the Roman/Latin Rite(s) are alien to Eastern Catholics, as they are informed by a distinct theological patrimony. As such, those who live in the diaspora (liturgical exile…), make due with at most attending Liturgies, public recitations of the Hours within their Orthodox sister Church. I don’t have the luxury of living near a Western Syriac Catholic Church (The Syro Malankara are actually quite far, and not Western Syriac in the sense that I am looking for. I’d settle for Chaldean Catholics (Eastern Syriac), but no such luck. Maronites would be the best option in this situation, but as Malphono cited, most in the US aren’t really looking to restore themselves in accord with their Syriac (Western) patrimony. A pity really.).

Why the insistence on the Syriac Church ? It was the writings of the Syriac Fathers that spoke to the theological outlook I had been cultivating as a Latin unbeknownst to me. It would follow that I’d seek to further nourish my faith in said Tradition, as I already discourse as such. I have a few other reasons as well, but for now that suffices. I really just want a space to call home within the Church. I’ve been to the TRL, the Melkites, and Coptics, each progressively providing direction, but for now, I’m pretty much settled, and decided in what I want in so far as Liturgy is concerned. A place to grow as a Catholic, even if that means observing in community amongst the Orthodox (Which again the relationship between Eastern Caths, and Eastern, and Oriental Orthos is a bit more nuanced.).
 
I am wondering how one can transfer to a Church when one is not able to actually attend that Church. Would a bishop actually allow this transfer?.
In my case, I believe it’s being allowed in that I don’t have a local community at my disposal. So I’d at most get the formation from within the Tradition itself, even I’d still be bound via dual observance (As are all those transferring Ritual jurisdiction.) until it’s finalized. I would have no qualms observing with their closest equivalent (Maronites), but well, I want a thoroughly Syriac formation.
 
What exists today is nothing short of Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization … it’s better that I not go further. I’ve commented often enough about this in past threads. I will, however, say that we desperately need a strong dose of Summorum Pontificum, but unfortunately that just doesn’t seem to be in the cards. 😦
This is what I was getting to in the context of Traditional Syro-Maronitism.

Namely as regards to what is a Traditional Maronite liturgy sans any, and all Latinizations like ? I’ve only come across one text by a Syriac fellow, which cites that the Maronites can draw from the Western Syriac Liturgy, as observed in Eastern Iraq (ie. Maronites do have an Orthodox counterpart, just not in the strictest sense.).
Yes, it depends on the particular community. But here, again, I’m not sure what’s behind the question.
As to how likely it is for an individual with no cultural, or ethnic ties to the Levant, or surrounding regions to be received into a given community. One thing is to be a casual visitor who goes, and receives the Eucharist from time to time, another thing is to be a member of the parish. I’d rather go in with a heads up, whilst leaving room for error in terms of personal experience etc., than go in, and be disappointed. A few friends of mine have had that experience within Byzantine Churches (as has my mother (At least from her perspective. I offer that particular one up.)), and while I’m not saying that Latin Churches are ideal (Not by a long shot…), I more or less know what to expect depending where I go from experience.
 
A friend of mine recommended that I post my query here, considering my interesting in the East. I have posted on the subject to ByzCath (Which reminds me, I should consider givi
I decidedly recommend, as others have done, to try to find a Syro-Malabar church instead. I had the luck of meeting and indian Syro-Malabar priest here in Sweden (of all places!) and I really found my catholic home. Don’t give up!

As for texts I always go to the syrian classics; start with Ephrem, for example.
Good luck!
 
Perhaps then a “Ruthenian thing”, but the invention and practice of the oft criticized “Vespergy” (Saturday Vespers combined with Sunday Divine Liturgy) seems to contradict that notion. By all accounts, despite concerns over the propriety of this practice, it is widely held that this has been done to provide for the Sunday obligation to be met with a Saturday evening service. This has been explained to me many times by many a well informed and reliable priest, but perhaps I misunderstood …
Saturday Great Vespers should satisfy the Sunday Obligation.

The Vesperal Divine Liturgy was a latinization due to the Latin idea that only a Eucharistic service satisfies the Obligation.
 
In my case, I believe it’s being allowed in that I don’t have a local community at my disposal. So I’d at most get the formation from within the Tradition itself, even I’d still be bound via dual observance (As are all those transferring Ritual jurisdiction.) until it’s finalized. I would have no qualms observing with their closest equivalent (Maronites), but well, I want a thoroughly Syriac formation.
I am still having trouble understanding.

How can you “get the formation from within the Tradition itself” when you do not have access to the Tradition. By that I mean you do not have access to an actual community.

While what you say about the Orthodox and the Catholic Churches may be the ideal it is not the lived truth all the time. Even if you did attend an Orthodox Church you would not really be a part of the community. The Church is not an individualistic thing, it is a community.
 
This is what I was getting to in the context of Traditional Syro-Maronitism.

Namely as regards to what is a Traditional Maronite liturgy sans any, and all Latinizations like ?
That’s an interesting question. Nothing of the sort has ever been officially promulgated, but I am familiar with some unpublished working papers, and from those (as well as from my own research over many years) I will say that it would be similar – but not nearly identical – to the SOC.
I’ve only come across one text by a Syriac fellow, which cites that the Maronites can draw from the Western Syriac Liturgy, as observed in Eastern Iraq
I think you mean north-western Iraq, which of course abuts north-eastern Syria and south-eastern Turkey. 🙂
(ie. Maronites do have an Orthodox counterpart, just not in the strictest sense.).
There is traditionally enough divergence between the two (i.e. even pre-latinization) as to render that incorrect. Even the SOC would agree with me in principle. The late lamented SOC Metropolitan, Mor Athanansious, certainly did. 😉
As to how likely it is for an individual with no cultural, or ethnic ties to the Levant, or surrounding regions to be received into a given community. One thing is to be a casual visitor who goes, and receives the Eucharist from time to time, another thing is to be a member of the parish. I’d rather go in with a heads up, whilst leaving room for error in terms of personal experience etc., than go in, and be disappointed. A few friends of mine have had that experience within Byzantine Churches (as has my mother (At least from her perspective. I offer that particular one up.)), and while I’m not saying that Latin Churches are ideal (Not by a long shot…), I more or less know what to expect depending where I go from experience.
All I can is that it’s rather subjective. I mean, there is no hard-and-fast rule for how a given community will react. At the same time, though, if a person is not open to the “Levantine experience” and such, that person will not probably not feel comfortable. Despite the whole “melting pot” thing, there remains a strong thread of Levantine connection, and if one is not willing to deal with that, one should look elsewhere. In any case, if one is interested, one should, I think, simply try it regularly for a period of time and see.

On a related note, I’ve noticed that several posters have suggested the Syro-Malabars as an alternative. From what I understand,the “ethnic connection” there is far deeper than in any of the Levantine Churches, and I’ve been told that it is quite difficult for an “outsider” to feel accepted. Whether that’s true or not I cannot say. It is also, however, my understanding that the SMC in the US follows the (very) heavily Novus Ordo-ized practices of Ernakulam and Thrissur rather than the far more authentically East Syriac practices of Chanangasserry etc. OTOH, I understand that the Syro-Malankara are quite faithful to the West Syriac tradition.
 
I am still having trouble understanding.

How can you “get the formation from within the Tradition itself” when you do not have access to the Tradition. By that I mean you do not have access to an actual community.

While what you say about the Orthodox and the Catholic Churches may be the ideal it is not the lived truth all the time. Even if you did attend an Orthodox Church you would not really be a part of the community. The Church is not an individualistic thing, it is a community.
What constitutes a community ?

I understand the value of Trinitarian ek-stasis, but considering that I don’t have a Western Syriac Catholic Church at my disposal (Maronites are another matter completely…), I am making due with the Western Syriac Orthodox community that I do have at my disposal. A number of Syriac Orthodox Christians observe amongst Maronites, as do some Chaldeans Catholics amongst Assyrians (IIRC). The relationship between said Churches in their Traditional territories is a bit more nuanced, and functions through oikonomia.

After all, would you expect an Ethiopian Catholic to observe with Roman Rite Catholics whose theology is informed via a distinct phronema, or rather that they observe with Ethiopian Orthodox Christians who share a common phronema ? How the individual reconciles either is another matter completely.

Ask any person who has commuted to a Traditional Roman liturgy, that doesn’t have the luxury of Parish life at their disposal. It isn’t pretty at all.
 
I would imagine that the process of integrating oneself into a Maronite church if you have no Levantine connection is similar to doing the same in a Coptic church while lacking an Egpytian connection, so I just wanted to back up what Malphono has said here with a little story from my experience in Albuquerque, NM, where the Coptic community is tiny (~40 total) and incredibly close-knit due to its social and ecclesiastical circumstances (e.g., worship in a private home for 15+ years due to the lack of resources to found a church; priests flown in from the nearest area that has an actual church and priests, in Phoenix AZ, etc.)

I began attending when I moved here back in August of last year, after only minimum e-mail contact with one member of the community who was reachable via the Southern US Diocese’s website, where St. Bishoy (as our eventual church will be called, God willing) is listed as a “community”, rather than a church. As luck would have it, my neighbor happened to be a deacon in the church, so I was able to meet him just before (as in 10 minutes before) attending my first liturgy with him and an Ethiopian friend who occasionally attends the liturgy. The liturgy is an experience in itself not necessary to be recounted here, and the post-liturgy “Agape” meal was of course filled with questions about who I am, how I became interested in Orthodoxy, what I knew about the Copts, etc. (all of these questions came up again over this last Holy Week, but with the added fun of being asked them in conversation by a priest who really didn’t speak English, so it was more like “You…the Copts…how? Who do you know?” 🙂 God bless Abouna Eliya…such a great man).

That’s all the expected stuff. Probably Middle Eastern, Indian, or certain African visitors to Latin Catholic churches would get the same outside of their traditional territories. What I hadn’t expected, however, is how (after several consecutive months of attendance, so I suppose it was clear I’m not going anywhere) quickly everyone seemed satisfied with my presence. I guess “we have a white person!” quickly turns into “yes, we have a white person” the more they show up. But it created/creates some odd situations, honestly, like when a curious Lutheran family (who were ex-RC, like me) visited several months ago. The questions they got were quite different than the ones I was asked when I first attended, and although everyone was polite (if a bit abrupt) when answering their questions, after they had left a friend turned to me and said “I didn’t want to say anything, but, wow…that guy’s [the father’s] questions…why would he think like that?”, meaning that he was kind of dull or stupid. That kind of bothered me, as I have made no secret that I am also ex-RC, so I saw an opportunity slip by that I was probably uniquely qualified (or at least more so than others) to address because it is not in my cultural background to talk over elders, so I let the Copts go at it. That was bad on my part. But I also felt bad for the family (who haven’t returned, and I doubt they will), as it couldn’t have left a good impression of the church. And of course, I wondered why people didn’t react that way to all my dumb questions, and why it is assumed that because I have a background in RC-ism and have been to X number of Coptic liturgies that I know all kinds of things I don’t really know, and am somehow more “with it” than any other non-Copt who might visit.

(cont’d below)
 
The lesson that I’m hoping to impart with the story is this: The question you have asked, East02West, is a good one in some ways, but perhaps only part of the story. I have no Coptic blood or cultural ties, but when I came to the church I was given my own kind of test in terms of my commitment to learning and being taught: What do you know about our faith and our history (read: are we starting from square zero or…)? What do you know about Orthodoxy, and from where (read: are we going to have to approach this person as someone who thinks that his RC-ism makes him essentially Orthodox, even though it doesn’t)?, etc. Basically, am I serious or am I slumming? Because I arrived with some basic knowledge (and the handy ability to read Coptic and Arabic at least well enough to be able to give responses), I kind of got to skip the stage that the Lutherans apparently came in at: Wondering about a bunch of preconceptions that aren’t really well-formed from the point of view of the Church I’m interested in. That was the problem with the Lutheran family (to say nothing of the problems of the Coptic reaction, which was understandable but not blameless or recommended). They asked “Why do you guys X, Y, Z” (where X, Y, Z were things that Copts don’t believe or do), and “why don’t you X, Y, Z” (where X, Y, Z were things that Byzantines and/or RCs do and believe that the Lutherans obviously take as normative since they’re the children of the RCs). Not a great way to go about it.

So, without having tried to fit in with the Maronites myself, I would argue that the most important thing is not worrying about fitting in culturally, but approaching as befits someone who knows they’re stepping into a community with a theology, praxis, “phronema”, etc. that is fundamentally different than their own, and is to be respected and explored and learned and committed to on its own merits, if you are to integrate yourself into the worship of the community. You probably have less far to go than the Lutherans in my story would have had (as you have read some Syriac Fathers and the like), but there is of course no substitute for diving head first into liturgies, prayer, fasting, etc. together with the community, in consultation with that the community. That is enough to take on without worrying about cultural trappings. I still don’t fit in with the Coptic culture, and I’m glad. I am, after all, not Egyptian, and I don’t feel like trying to be anything I’m not. In fact, in recognizing that this part of being Coptic Orthodox (the “Coptic” part) is not an essential part for me (with the exception of as it relates to my part in the liturgy as a layperson, as I believe it is essential that I defend the integrity of the liturgy, same as anyone) is very helpful in finding my proper place in the church community. When people need a particular English word that they can’t think of, they come to me. When they want to know what the Latins do in comparison to their practices, they come to me. When they want to know why it’s wrong to use racial slurs towards black people in the middle of Costco or anywhere else (I swear, this came up two weeks ago), they come to me. When I want to know about naming conventions for saints in the church, or this or that finer point of Egyptian Arabic grammar or pronunciation, I go to them. It’s a very nice, sort of symbiotic relationship. I’m not just “the white guy” anymore (or so it would seem, as they absentmindedly greet me and dismiss me in Arabic since about three months ago) – I’m the white guy who can actually explain things about the wider Anglo and Hispanic cultures they’ve suddenly found themselves in. Who knows? Maybe one day we’ll have the liturgy in Spanish as they do in Mexico and Bolivia, or even in Navajo (I can’t help with that, though…hahaha).

To join an “ethnic” church from a particular place and be shocked or upset that it carries the cultural imprint of that particular place is foolishness, but so is caving into pressure to give up or suppress whatever it is you already are in a misguided attempt to fit in. There is neither Jew nor Greek, remember? So if I have to insist that, no, the way that I eat or dress is not wrong, but indicative of a different (non-Egyptian) cultural background, so I’m going to keep doing it…well, that’s a small bit of discomfort for a lot of benefit in being immersed in the true faith with people who, after all, want to see their church grow throughout the world. I don’t doubt that the vast majority of Maronites (or Chaldeans, or Melkites, or…) would agree with that. After all, they adjusted to America, Mexico, Brazil, Australia, and all these other places that aren’t Lebanon or Syria quite well, and yet remain Maronites and proud of that fact.

tl;dr version: Go for it! You’ll fit in in all the ways that matter if you are serious about this desire to actually become a Christian worshiper in a Syriac church, beyond reading books in your private devotion.
 
Eastern Catholics have spread throughout the world for various social, economic and political reasons, and many have suffered greatly from being cut off from their home churches. In many parts of the world, their is a great deal of acrimony between the Orthodox and the Eastern Catholic counterparts. On paper there may be a peaceful coexistence, but out in the “trenches” could be different.

Switching rites without a nearby parish to be a part of is basically voluntarily putting yourself into exile. Living with an Orthodox parish may help treat the symptoms of the “homesickness”, but it is still not truly home. Even in Eastern Catholic parish of a different variety, being a West Syriac under its care could be difficult.

Humans were created to be a social species. I’d advice you to carefully consider whether self-imposed isolation is healthy for your spiritual life.
 
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